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None of his arguments do much to convince me. He doesn't give any great reasoning for the mod-warning How can i give reasoning about something that not depens on me? Its op's choice to warn me or replace me or kill me, its ridiculous if someones expect a good reason of something i have no control on.
I'd be interested to hear what you find suspicious about me You are overeager to show your "scum hunting" skills, you are trying to take (and have succeded so far) town leadership, you remember me of the guys who won the last game i played, people fell for it, people didnt want to REALLY analyze the way he was playing. Being closed minded doesnt help too, fyi.
If bussing is really that ridiculous, then everybody should look town to him except suki. The read i get from suki its a stardad newbie trying to be helpful, for some people (like me) its hard to make nice post whit colours and cute format, you need to just read and remember that thing you or alan posted here "sometimes the simple solution its the solution", dont expect posts from the people to "impress you", its a ridiculous and not helpful thing to do. He/she was trying to help and he/she got it wrong, its a newbie game, expect this A LOT of times. I've been there a few times already.
What I'd expect from a townie unforgiven
-- If he announces that he's going to lurk, he'll lurk regardless of whether or not he is accused
-- He'd make some good reads and sound confident about them
Kinda hard to make good and "confident" reads and lurk at the same time dont you think? Im pretty sure Milton is mafia, if for some reason he flips green, i will tip my hat to when you/cross flip red.
-- If he does pop back into the thread, he'll scold people for being dumb and not provide a lot of reasoning
Uh? i guess you are basing this on the last game...i quote "its so easy to change your style of play" and again, different situations i had a lot fo time to burn those days, cant do it now, open your mind, dont close your options basing it in one past game, you can do it (maybe) after a bunch of games you start to recognize the player different strategys
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What I'd expect from a mafia unforgiven
-- Decides to lurk, but then defends himself when accused
-- Make some less than persuasive arguments because his heart isn't really in it. He knows he is wrong.
So, if i lurk and give a easy lynch for mafia im town, if i try to defend myself i should get lynched because of it?
If you check my post im not really trying to be perssuasive, im trying to you people got and read and put yourself in Milton's position
Theres 2 option for the last mafia to do:
1.- Always be under the radar and try to not gain any enemies and always look like you are in the same sintony as town
and
2.- Be aggresive, take town leadership, point fingers to people who cant convince the town (for different reasons, posting, lurking, difficulty to express ideas)
Thats why you and cross are labeled as "neutral".
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No sciberbia, im just a Vanilla.
@Unforgiven_ve
You forgot to mention Golden. Your case @ Miltonkram also fits him. However, he acts the same in another game i checked, except for the hostile response part.
Yes, i was aware of this, Golden's filter i very similar to miltons but (to me at least) he really put some pressure on Heaven, read his case against him.
Now, please, if i get lynched and alan gets killed at night, kill sciberbia then milton in that order + Show Spoiler +The agressiveness coming from sciberbia and his "stubbornness" SCREAMS desperate mafia, i bet you he will go for suki then, now that suki's case is fogotten it will be his card up his slevee, Because its obvious a sciberbia lynch today its impossible
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ebwop: Oh, and a classic mafia defense would be "DUDE YOU POINTS ARE SO WEAK AND INVALID!, you so mafia!" . So, my, now closed reads are,
Milton and sciberbia...if town wants to win kill those two.
i'd bet my account naming rights on this, any takers?
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edbwop: if i get killed today switch that order
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On June 21 2012 01:49 Crossfire99 wrote:
Oh, also if unforgiven flips green, I'm going to guess that either milton or golden are mafia, but i have both of them as pretty much town right now...unforgiven better flip red. lol
Yes, because BEFORE reading your case he was my main suspect, you backed from your case pretty easily, you are falling for his good redaction ans posting skills. After readin some more, Milton jumped to be my main suspect...I confess my faith was on you cross =( ... and i even thought suki would have some brain and see beyond the lines and lame excuses from milton and sciberbia, alan is just a sheep now, got a lucky shot. Golden, well...he is afk and its not helpful, but he is town.
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dammint, i was writing a post and the f** power went out for 1 second and i lost it, let me summarize
Now, when i die, We will need golden to afford a mislynch:
me dead + NK+ Show Spoiler +(most probanly alan but it can change after mafia read this and choose a random target hoping to get a suki misslynch tomorrow)
1mislynch tomorrow + NK = 1town and1 mafia gg
I confess i had some faith on you cross  ... suki just cant see beyond the lines and is in love whit cute posts and lame analysis... and alan is just a sheep, he just got lucky whit that shot + Show Spoiler +is this the kind of post you were expecting siberbia? 
My last attempt will be this, going against my own belives and seeing you are blindly reading and using past games, i will show you what a mafia posted in NMM XV
On May 31 2012 17:31 Xatalos wrote:
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As things stand, I'm ready to go for a Unforgiven_ve lynch. However, I want to see your response first, Unforgiven_ve. You better impress with your next post or your filter looks really bad already.
On May 31 2012 23:43 Xatalos wrote:
blah
Finally you posted something, but it's not what I was hoping for from a town Unforgiven_ve. More like what I expected from a Mafia Unforgiven_ve.
This response convinced me. It's time to get the ball rolling.
AHEM
On June 20 2012 11:41 sciberbia wrote:
Unforgiven's response didn't do anything for me. I'm not surprised, because my primary points of accusation are points that you cannot easily explain away. He has a lot of text, but doesn't say many things of substance. To summarize his post:
On June 20 2012 14:48 sciberbia wrote:
I was really unimpressed by Unforgiven's case on miltonkram. Here are my thoughts:
bleh-
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lol, power went out again 5 seconds after i clicked post!!!
and i see i posted the same thing in the beggining , so you can be sure
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Milton is still my main read i just dont get the nonsense agression im getting from solstice, he changed from a openminded analyzer to a + Show Spoiler + fixed aggressor who doesnt listen to reasons. The same way your partner did it last game
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Suk, “having a case in case YOUR SURE MAFIA READ“ flips read is the lammest
Thing to do. You are sure of your vote or either you are not, saying that just shows you are weak
Minded and just jumped in the easiest bandwagon, what about making some analysis before I'm dead?
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Suk, “having a case in case YOUR SURE MAFIA READ“ flips green is the lammest
Thing to do. You are sure of your vote or either you are not, saying that just shows you are weak
Minded and just jumped in the easiest bandwagon, what about making some analysis before I'm dead?
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This stupid phone send the second to last post whit me clicking post.
Sciberbia, you so mafia its just ridiculous. Tell me, who will be your next lynch target after I die??
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**whitout clicing**
Lol, gg newbs. REMEMBER THE MAINE!
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**whitout clicing**
Lol, gg newbs. REMEMBER THE MAINE!
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Lol i rule. Gg milton, you should thank alan, sbiberbia and suki ;D
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I will say this whitout any bad feeling or troll attempt. Really, pleasae dont take it in a bad way
It wasnt a deserved victory, it wasnt a “amazing play“ by milton, town deserve to win.
We lost not because of mafia play, but because of overeagger townies triying to be superdetectives
And not seeing the simplest clues, by this time some of you should have a better understanding of
The game and how some people play it.
You are so full of “indepth“ analisys bullshit that you want to belive for catching a mafia you need a columbus,
That players should make extra long and colorful post talking about hypotethic and useless scenarios, and spend a gazillion hours playing to belive them.
You talk A LOT about wifom situations and you dont really have any idea how to do it, the rules says you have to play to win,
sometimes that means you should consider another situations besides the ones you see.
Keep it simple, you arent playing whit masters of disguise in here. Dont try to lead if you dont know how to do it, people will blindly follow You if you have the littlest iniciative, so please, use this carefully, in game and real life.
All in all, GG, it really was a fun game whit a unexpected end.
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On June 27 2012 22:16 suki wrote:
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I think if I had been lynched in place of unforgiven or golden, sciberbia would have led the way to a town victory. I also had a look at my Day 1 while going over the final cases, and even though I hadn't meant to, I have to admit I did look pretty scummy. So s0lstice and sciberbia and Crossfire, if you're feeling bad, don't feel bad. I should have played Day 1 better.
No, he never was in the right track, he was closed in his own analysis and didnt wanted to see other scenarios, he was the main reason for town lost. alan just got to spersayian level on my ranking list because of admitting the mistakes he did, now he will be very aware of this. sciberbia is just good to write long analysis (same as solstice) when their reads are wrong that townie will get lynched no matter what, because people will buy this style of posting as "yep he's right" whitout really doing some analysis for themselves.
3 games i've played, 3 games that has happened the exact same thing. People would follow the best poster discarding their analysis, gut feeling, because they think it wouldnt be enough to convince this players.
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Not enough to win = a loss?
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EPT
