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only managed to make some time for posting now. Going through the thread until now the only real content on we have is the discussion on grush. His first post is suspicious and given the lack of other content to analyze right now best person to push at the moment. Especially since his responses really did not satisfy. But given the fact that we still have 24+ hours for day 1 I would rather wait for everybody to form his opinion before really comitting to a lynch. So to all you resident lurkers I want to see you posting! | ||
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On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote: Allright, I've read this boring discussion between grush and release and I hope I can give some insight as to what my opinions are. What makes the first worthwhile thing on day 1 boring to you? | ||
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On June 10 2012 02:19 ha236 wrote: Seriously? That's the point that stands out the most to you in my post? You highlighting it being the "first worthwhile thing" makes it seem to me as though you're implying that therefore it cannot be boring which I find hard to understand. However, it was boring because both of them were in my opinion just going around in circles throughout three pages of posts. I did read through your post and I felt obliged to point out something which stood out to me. I am saying that it is not boring as it gives us something to discuss and analyse on in order to go scumhunting. As scumhunting (obviously) takes top priority I do not see how it could be boring to you to get something to work with. | ||
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What I would suggest right now is to stop tunneling grush for the time and add some pressure to ha236. I am still waiting for answers regarding my question and his post is basically the statement that he is ready to jump on grush if he gets to be the primary lynch candidate. Not saying that I am clearing grush from the suspicions but he cannot contribute that much if he keeps defending, give him some leeway until we really have to consolidate on a lynch and see what he can cook up. | ||
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On June 10 2012 06:42 grush57 wrote: I'm not even going to bother with you anymore. I don't think you are scum though, a bit bold for scum. Hyaa and the one lurker left for scum team! Why do you continue to just deflect attention from you onto the lurkers? I know I advocated to stop tunneling you but it is getting annoying, just post something useful for town. ha236 seems to have disappeared anyway. | ||
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Read through the posts until now and I am happy to see that you guys pressured ha236, his responses seems to have been accusations of so-called "dumb logic" and some OMGUS votes thrown around. The more he squirmed under pressure the more he seemed to be scummy. Should be easy to consolidate on a lynch on ha236 now: ##Vote: ha236 @Lazermonkey: I would consider looking at them more thoroughly on day1 if we had a chance to consolidate a lynch on one of you, but since it is (most likely) going to be between grush and ha236, it is for now better to off one of them instead of dividing our votes and maybe even make it into a no-lynch | ||
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The case on ha236 rests differently. He begins kind of okayish for a townie with some remakrs by me and other around his post under the resulting pressure his play continues to detoriate so I would say that he is a okay lynch for day1. | ||
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On June 11 2012 07:10 ha236 wrote: It's funny how Release is not the least bit concerned about being lynched himself. I've posted several remarks on his play and gotten no substansial answers, rather he tries to mislead others on to bandwagoning Grush and I. Maybe call me stupid for doing this but his play is incredibly similar to the last game I played with him, in which he was town, and as long as he does not give me cause for doubt I'll be sticking with a "townie-metaread" on him. | ||
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On June 11 2012 07:35 The_Zen_Man wrote: Seems like people are going to change their vote for me. I dont really know where all of this suddenly comes from. I know i haven't posted a analysis on grush, but this whole thing with Lazermonkey has taken all my time. I planned to do it, but have just had less time for this than i had hoped. When i flip town, please go after Lazermonkey Lazermonkey have tunneled me for a long time now, and is for some reason dead set on lynching me. I think he is trying to get a mislynch for mafia, and when i flip town he will go like "Oh, damn. Well it's not my fault, he sounded really scummy to me." This will give mafia a free kill without putting their member Lazermonkey at risk. Not really convincing as defense. You are simply saying: "You guys got the wrong guy, believe me!" If we are faced with a looming no-lynch, I'll switch. | ||
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LOL got ninja'ed by everybody switching | ||
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On June 11 2012 07:48 Release wrote: VOTE VOTE VOTE we still lack majority? I thought we are heading for a Zenman lynch now? | ||
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On June 11 2012 07:52 Release wrote: ##unvote:The_Zen_Man ##vote: ShiaoPi you lurk too much  Yeah, I know, I am sorry  Gonna make it up the next few days but for today I'll need sleep badly so I'll just drop dead after the nightpost. | ||
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off to bed now -.- | ||
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First off, sucks that we lynched our medic, but shit happens. Let's take a alook at the entire voteswitch-process. In the end we had 5 votes on Zen_man: Vivax, solstice, lazermonkey, ha236, grush57 Rest was distributed as following: grush57: Zen_man, kthez, ha236: ShiaoPi ShiaoPi: Release As we mislynched I believe it to be plausible to first take a look at the people who voted Zen_man. Vivax: One of the driving forces behind the lynch, made a good case against him and said he will switch if possible --> No need to doubt him for now. S0lstice: He had been mainly focused on ha236 and then proceeded to switch on Zen_man after more pressure was applied. As he said the following: On June 10 2012 09:12 s0Lstice wrote: I think ha236 is a better candidate. That one post flashed red big time. Lots of words that started on one end of the opinion spectrum and ended on the other. Trying to appear useful, but really the conclusion is errr I dunno. I will be pushing his lynch, but I will not do so at the expense of the majority. If I get traction, good. If not, then I will wait on ha236 to insure the day 1 lynch. One could raise some eyebrows as at the moment solstice unvotes there was actually the majority on ha236 (correct me if I am wrong through). But overall he did a pretty good job on day 1 in regards to scumhunt, so does not stand out as of now. Lazermonkey: First one to really apply pressure on Zen_man and make a case against him, entirely consistent in his stance. Also first to put down his vote on him. Nothing here as well. ha236: Switches in order to ensure majority on zen_man to dodge the lynch himself. Before he switched onto Zen he just went with some OMGUS votes on Releae and solstice and his general play does not give a very townie vibe of him. I am more than willing to off him come Day 2. grush57: He looks really bad to be honest, I hoped he would have cooked something up by now as the pressure shifted to ha236 and then to Zen, but he still delivers simple one-liners, no outlining of his thought-process make his posts at the beginning even more suspicious than they were before. Switches without much reasoning. Also a good candidate to lynch come the next day. Now on another note I would like to alert you guys to KtheZ: -His filter is in the beginning really full of moderating, contentless posts. -He had that weird "lynch for info" post -What struck me as weird is that he states to be willing to switch to ha236 but he is absent at lynchtime, so he would not have been able to fulfill that intention anyway.... His last post is about 30 mins before deadline and then he pops back in well beyond deadline, saying he was "away for a while" It is still not enough to make me want to vote him but, I'll be keeping an eye on him FoS:KtheZ | ||
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 GG solstice (you kind of have a record for being shot night one twice in a row xD) In all seriousness, solstice is confirmed town now, so scratch releases case, We should take a look at the remaining suspects we have right now: ha236, grush57 and KtheZ. after some consideration I would say that we should lynch into on of ha or grush bar something drastic happens. seeing the nighthit on solstice could give some more consideration towards KtheZ, I have the FOS on him anyway. Regarding our plans for the next lynch I would say go with ha236, as he has some connections with grush, with that Bearing in mind his flip will also give us information regarding grush's alignment. eventually we must also look at KtheZ, but let's hear his defense first, his case is definetly not fully fleshed out yet. Thoughts? | ||
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On June 12 2012 09:08 Release wrote: this is disappointing activity levels tbh. Apart from myself and grush early on, the activity level been declining so much. Well it is "only" the daypost, but still some interest into the NK would be appreciated | ||
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-The NK in general -Suspects I listed -Lynch for day 2 Come on guys, post! | ||
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On June 12 2012 12:09 ha236 wrote: Still waiting for Release to make a defense for any of my posts back at the end of day 1. There's just been mindless blabber in his posts on the night, he openly declines to answer my questions and no one else seems to give a damn? Seems strange to me. Think hard about that "mindless blabber" and you know what he was trying to do, or go read his filter in his last game and it should be obvious. If you are trying to make a case against Release, you better post a good one and not some tidbits between each line how "flawed" his logic is. On June 12 2012 13:56 Release wrote: It's so strange right? ##vote: ha236 Don't even try to claim this as suspicious. I don't know why solstice switched day 1, but i know why i claimed you were still scum. Shiaopi, vivax, grush, and townies, feel free to join me. So Vivax, grush and me are not in the townie group? O_o | ||
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Furthermore I can understand that RL keeps you from being around at lynchtime, but seeing 5 votes on ha is not really an excuse to not be there if you offer your vote to switch if needed. | ||
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On June 12 2012 23:46 grush57 wrote: YA CUZ HE'S MAFIA DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH ##Vote: KtheZ Any way for you to get maybe more productive instead of random votethrowing? | ||
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grush57 vs. KtheZ? | ||
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On June 13 2012 03:40 KtheZ wrote: Well I've pretty much ended up claiming because of grush. You claiming DT now? Who did you check n1 then? Same question to grush | ||
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all I was saying is that his play makes sense from a town perspective. That is the most basic question, does the play makes sense towniewise. And as you are seemingly really focused on Release, why don't you take some time to write a neat case on him? Would be much more effective, than poking him once in a while. Where the fuck is everybody by the way? We got 2 roleclaims and nobody cares? | ||
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Seriously if you read him as mafia, push your case... | ||
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##Vote: grush57 Maybe he will start contributing?! One can hope... | ||
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On June 13 2012 13:01 Release wrote: We NEED activity. We won't be able to solve this shit by one idea every few hours. if you were roleblocked last night, Please claim now. Grush can't have been roleblocked. I was. Breadcrumb here: On June 12 2012 08:14 ShiaoPi wrote: My god I love these flavour posts GG solstice (you kind of have a record for being shot night one twice in a row xD) In all seriousness, solstice is confirmed town now, so scratch releases case, We should take a look at the remaining suspects we have right now: ha236, grush57 and KtheZ. after some consideration I would say that we should lynch into on of ha or grush bar something drastic happens. seeing the nighthit on solstice could give some more consideration towards KtheZ, I have the FOS on him anyway. Regarding our plans for the next lynch I would say go with ha236, as he has some connections with grush, with that Bearing in mind his flip will also give us information regarding grush's alignment. eventually we must also look at KtheZ, but let's hear his defense first, his case is definetly not fully fleshed out yet. Thoughts? So come one guys, vote him off... Off to uni now | ||
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Can we have a votecount? Hopefully we already have a majority to lynch grush. If not VOTE NOW! Regarding scum nr.2 I would say the easiest suspect is ha236. As Lazermonkey pointed out he has been given a freepass to d3 now (unless he gets shot O_o), so please start contributing, I have asked you to do so repeatedly already but now you really have more than enough time. Naturally if grush should flip town, KtheZ has to go next. Or if he somehow survives n2, he will be on top of my list as well. So my opinion on the 2nd scum right now depends heavily on the coming lynch and the night after. | ||
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Assuming KtheZ gets shot and is actually the cop, we will head into 3-2 LYLO come the next day. | ||
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On to the topic of lynching day 3 I would say ha is most probably scum by now, if KtheZ gets hit tonight at least we will have some confirmed townie, which should help at LYLO. | ||
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What I do not understand is how you can say that town is split right now. The only thing which connects me to KtheZ is my claim of being RB'ed. There is nothing else tying me to him and close to nothing that ties me to Lazer. If you want to call something a split, the thing remotely close to it is Vivax vs. Lazer and ha vs. Release. These are the "hard" stances you have taken until now. The Vivax vs. Lazer case does not convince me either way and ha's play has not really improved, sure he posted one case against Release, but it was fairly weak (at least in my opinion). At the moment my feeling right now is that it is either ha+Vivax or Release+Vivax. You might think it weird, but fuck I am running out of time, if I am alive you will get further reasoning | ||
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On June 15 2012 08:22 Release wrote: I caught it the first time, but the Grush-Kthez fiasco and my fixation on ha236 was too much. Kthez, who did you check last night? Release just vote him and Vivax off >_> There is only one DT in the setup | ||
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))So we off Vivax today and next day Kthez and happily save Liquidia!! Huzzah! | ||
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come on ha, sorry for all the doubt on you but get that vote in on Vivax | ||
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But for once I would love to roll scum all games as townie until now | ||
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FOS: Release | ||
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I must say scumteam did really well, if it had not been for Lazer's check on Vivax and his subsequent death we might have been in soo much trouble. I probably should have claimed the RB right after the nightpost instead of breadcrumbing it (even asked Toad about it, thanks for the coaching!) but I did that post before asking, so it probably added to the confusion about who the DT was in the end. GG and thanks to ET for hosting!! | ||
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