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On June 11 2012 07:08 s0Lstice wrote: We do have an hour or so. I'm not loving my vote on ha236 anymore If we want to vote for Zen_Man I will switch. Something that has been bugging me about ha236 is that he has been constant in his defense of Grush, he even doubled down. I find it difficult to believe that a scum ha236 would attract attention by tying himself to one of the most controversial people in the thread. He could have just as easily went after a grush57 lynch, it would have been easy. Very few other people have agreed with me on him as well. I think it would be prudent to go elsewhere. ## Unvote "ha is my scumbuddy. Zen_man looks equally scummy, but is town so i'll be ready to bandwagon him" You know why ha236 can defend Grush so easily without having fear of lynch? Because we were never going to vote grush anyways. Grush is controversial, but he is so openly controversial. In otherwords, he's been acting like a jackass. You do something like what ha236 has done and attention begins to go away (my fight with grush was basically over with the conclusion that he didn't want to answer my questions.). 4 people agreed with you on ha236 (including you, it would have been a majority). Myself, grush, vivax, and shiaopi. Somehow, none of us caught this the first time but i almost did + Show Spoiler + not Elsewhere? Just say Zen_man The unvote is pretty much solidifying what you have said in the first line, which i think is pretty much claiming scum. I'll be going through his filter to provide some more info just before day post. If i'm alive, i'll handle matters as i please, but if i die, you will + Show Spoiler + lynch, i repeat will lynch solstice | ||
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On June 12 2012 07:39 KtheZ wrote: To address what struck you as weird: I was originally willing to switch my vote to ha if there was a no-lynch potentially in sight. However, when I left there were 5 votes on ha, which was enough majority to create a ha lynch. Just proved my point earlier. ty | ||
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On June 09 2012 11:08 s0Lstice wrote: If everyone played with that logic, the thread would be empty forever. People not talking is something to talk about, obviously. What do you think of my comments on tunneling? I think a townie would ask more open ended questions such as "on tunneling" rather than "my comments ..." He avoids the tunneling subjecty more or less but wants to get some posts going about other posts 9not the content really... On June 09 2012 12:28 s0Lstice wrote: Lynching all liars is dicey. In a newb game I'm betting any lies we find will be unintentional. If you are referring to a blue claim, there will be plenty of context to interpret it if/when it happens. There is no need for a policy application there, just reasoning. Lynching lurkers is still risky, but the chance of hitting scum is definitely there. As I said, the stakes are high, as every mislynch is painful. If the lurker in question flips green, then at least we have rid ourselves of a useless townie. This is why I still advocate it. People who are talking give us content to work with, and in the absence of a compelling case, we could do a lot worse than lynching a crappy townie/maybe get lucky hitting scum. That said, it's a worst case scenario. The onus is on us to smoke out the scum so we don't have to resort to the policy lynch. Policy lynches suck ballz, especially in smaller games. He's kind of hinting that we should be open minded to a policy lynch. Only useful part is find scum, but everyone knows that anyways. On June 09 2012 12:50 s0Lstice wrote: I'm out for the night. There has been some stuff said on policy. People who haven't posted yet should post their thoughts on what was discussed. I want to be done with this policy stuff sooner rather than later. Also, I want to hear what others think of Release and grush. My opinion is that Grush's comment on having nothing to talk about was weird as hell. Release has done the talking here so I won't repeat. Grush, I will be watching to see what you do when there's more content to work with. This is like going to the school yard and saying "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT" b/w two townies. hopefully, the rest of town ends up supporting me and lynching grush, you and i get credit for the lynch and you are above suspicion. Trying to buddy up as far as i can tell, and a little bit to check if there will be some sort of wagon. On June 10 2012 04:54 s0Lstice wrote: Very happy to see that the discussion has picked up. Now I want to talk about ha236 Let's look at his post on grush and LazerMonkey. This is a soft defense of grush, based on the sentiment that a first time player makes mistakes, yet you don't care enough to check if this really is his first game? How is that 'w/e' when your defense of him relies on qualifying the mistakes he is making as first time player mistakes? Then you talk about LaserMonkey.. Very loud contradiction. If Lazermonkey's comments are strange then why are you agreeing with them? Why did you defend grush if you think Lazermonkey has something there? ##FoS: ha236 trying to appear useful by pointing out a scum trait and revealing it to us all about your scumbuddy. But when we realize that only the posts are weird, the idea is fine, and there is no contradiction (opposite ending), he gets vindicated. On June 10 2012 04:56 s0Lstice wrote: Also Vivax, I've seen your town play, and lurking is not it. Your silence is extra suspicious. meta gaming is shit in mafia. No stopping someone who played 1 game to change how they play, especially based on feedback. On June 10 2012 08:52 s0Lstice wrote: ha236, sharing your opinions is fine, even if that opinion is "i'm not sure on him yet." You however did a play by play of Lazermonkey....kicking it off with how you felt his posts looked strange, continued to build a sort-of case?, and then agreed with his findings. Your thoughts are a problem because they contradict themselves. I'm pretty much convinced that you are the perfect candidate for us to lynch D1. ##Vote:ha236 you reinforcement from earlier although ti's mostly repeated. This post tells me that a proper townie would probably have done the vote the first time and not bothered with the second post. On June 10 2012 09:03 s0Lstice wrote: Now as far as grush is concerned... The only thing in his filter that raises my eyebrows is the 'nothing to talk about' post. The rest is neutral mostly, because it's OMGUS tit for tat defense against Release. I want to see what he does when he doesn't spend every free minute defending himself. OMGUS is not neutral. It's a waste of space and scummy. Subtle confusion beign spread about here. And i have pointed out many time that OMGUS doesn't require every free minutes. On June 10 2012 09:12 s0Lstice wrote: I think ha236 is a better candidate. That one post flashed red big time. Lots of words that started on one end of the opinion spectrum and ended on the other. Trying to appear useful, but really the conclusion is errr I dunno. I will be pushing his lynch, but I will not do so at the expense of the majority. If I get traction, good. If not, then I will wait on ha236 to insure the day 1 lynch. Let me get ready to excuse myself from voting incase i get good traction On June 10 2012 09:27 s0Lstice wrote: Really? Because it seems like every time I refresh the thread you have a new post going after him. You are pressuring him pretty hard. He feels the need to respond to every single post, with OMGUS or something else mostly useless. I grant this is bad play, as he should have disengaged from you a lot sooner than he did. The point is the read on him is not strong, as his filter is full of garbage. This can be a scum-tell, yes, but there is also town motivation for his behavior. As town, he is incredulous that you are pursuing him so hard...this explains the sarcasm, the snippy remarks etc. He erroneously feels his best move is to match you hit for hit, and this will help confirm him as a town read. He's been told to post something that contributes, and what he does will be good information. It will certainly be better than what we have on him now. If it's not, then hell yea let's lynch him. he has time. Don't know why you take up so much space to write this. On June 11 2012 04:04 s0Lstice wrote: KtheZ is rocketing up the scum charts. We lynch to kill scum. Period. Factoring in what information our target will give to decide our lynch candidate is ludicrous. You suggesting it is scummy. People have already talked about your percentage nonsense, so I won't rehash beyond saying that it paints you in a very bad light. If you are aiming to get lynched, keep doing it. We want words, not numbers. Kthez is obviously not being too clear. That said, if you flip townie, we should probably consider Kthez, but it's a big if. On June 11 2012 04:51 s0Lstice wrote: This isn't an essay. Often there will only be one big scum-tell post, a smoking gun if you will, off which to build the case. Your first post was mostly fluff, where you attack a player for a bad read, pick that read apart, and then agree with the read. You can get mad all you want, but it was a contradiction. That said, I don't see your one post on Lazermonkey as the only thing counting against you. We are hours from the deadline, and all you've done of note is defend grush, and accuse the people accusing you. Many townies may make seemingly scumtellish posts at least once. Scum make it multiple times. that's why the bold is just going to confuse the town and cause town to start spreading fingers everywhere. On June 11 2012 06:24 s0Lstice wrote: Alright so the case on Zen_Man He is taking a firm stance on grush by voting for him, and has been consistent with his views on him as I see it. He does not provide any reasoning behind his suspicions, true. He really should have. That said, the reasons for grush's scummyness have been discussed quite a lot, and agreeing with them (parroting/bandwagoning) by itself is not dead red scummy. If he agrees, he agrees. As far as his exaggerations, I feel this is under the OMGUS umbrella as well. The bottom line is I see fledgling efforts to hunt scum, and I want to see more. As of right now, he wouldn't draw my vote. he doesn't draw your vote?  Why did you immediately unvote after this post and then vote him? Here is a real contradiction. The rest i addressed ealier. [b]s0lstice[b], you are dead. | ||
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On June 11 2012 23:52 s0Lstice wrote: This thread is lifeless I'll be sharing something I've been working on closer to the start of day 2, in case I'm deaded shortly after.Where is it? I looking but don't see it. Don't break a promise. | ||
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Those ridiculous votes on myself and solstice were retarded. Solstice probably on the right track sO: Kthez, go defend youself. I need to review my post on solstice. | ||
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##vote: ha236 Don't even try to claim this as suspicious. I don't know why solstice switched day 1, but i know why i claimed you were still scum. Shiaopi, vivax, grush, and townies, feel free to join me. | ||
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On June 12 2012 17:41 ShiaoPi wrote: Think hard about that "mindless blabber" and you know what he was trying to do, or go read his filter in his last game and it should be obvious. If you are trying to make a case against Release, you better post a good one and not some tidbits between each line how "flawed" his logic is. So Vivax, grush and me are not in the townie group? O_o I say you guys because we along with solstice were originally voting for ha. I say townies and not other townies because i can't assume that you're all town. | ||
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On June 12 2012 17:45 ShiaoPi wrote: @KtheZ: At least you make an effort of defending yourself, but unfortunately you are still not convincing me. Your posts still lack content and as solstice pointed out nicely you went with the flow of the thread. Furthermore I can understand that RL keeps you from being around at lynchtime, but seeing 5 votes on ha is not really an excuse to not be there if you offer your vote to switch if needed. i've only read up to this post, but you can't blame Kthez for that one. Only s0lstice (and other non-ha voters to a lesser extent) can be responsible for stopping a Ha majority) | ||
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Of course, if you both refuse to give us your night check, then you're obviously trying to cause confusion, and we would have to assume that you're both scum, but in that case, one of you would get lynched. This is catch 22 (not WIFOM). If you're both town, you guys are mentally retarded. | ||
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OMGUS! OMGUS! OMGUS! Fos: ha236 Inspirational isn't it? | ||
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On June 13 2012 04:18 ha236 wrote: This is basically the way Release has been responding to my posts also. No. He's claiming to be a DT. I never claimed to be a DT. Stop spreading misinformation. | ||
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On June 13 2012 02:37 KtheZ wrote: I was waiting for grush to confirm this rather than him joking. A reply will be provided in due time, maybe an hour or 3 Are you DT or are you not? "something to say about it" is something you can quote later to say that you never claimed to be a DT and would be a great confusion spreader later in the game too. If you are the DT, claim right now, with a "i am the detective" | ||
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