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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
make sure your votes are bolded, they don't count otherwise | ||
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The_Zen_Man
Sweden202 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
So far your filter has a suspicion of grush, and an odd analysis post of all of our stances on him. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:15 The_Zen_Man wrote: Well, i have said my opinion on Lazermonkey, but i am still equally suspicous of grush (still don't know why people say i soft defended him), and seeing as the support for him is stronger than Lazermonkey i can vote for him too. But ha236 still does not seem scummy to me, and i would prefer not to lynch him. YO ZENMAN! You have still some unanswered questions, remember? I explain why prople think you are soft defending grush, so it might be worth a look ; ). + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2012 21:11 Lazermonkey wrote: That's cool for me. Yes, that's what you should've done in this case. Can you mention even one thing in this post that isn't already in ha236s post? I don't think it's an exaggeration. You've made 7 posts so far(not counting the /in-post). 1 is about how you missquoted 1 is about how you think Ha236 is not scum(but this is a crap post as you basically only says that). 1 is your introction post 4 is about me So basically you have two useless posts, 4 about me and one that is not. So 80% of your posts of substance is about me. First you told Release to ease the pressure on grush. Then you also accused my case against grush of being bad. You are also one of the few people that havn't yet put any pressure on grush. This is ''soft defense'' in my eyes. You havn't said you don't think he is scum but if he flips green then you will be among those who looks least guilty. It's intresting that you keep saying that the case on ha236 is so weak when there are already a couple of people willing to vote for him. Surely there must be at least something with his play that is suspicous? ''Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?'', so the fact that I thought there were something worth of notice in his post makes us both scum? eh... Lolwat. This is like the opposite of what I did. Your first posts was insanly strange and with lack of logic. Yet I didn't post a case on you. It was only after you had posted no more than 3 posts against me, all filled with crap that I wrote the actual case. I don't know, that is for you to decide as you are the scum : ). I can think of plenty of alternatives. This also adds up to my point about your indecisiveness of grush. You pull the action away from him, doesn't push him at all yet you say we should lynch him without giving any alternatives? Why so scared of voting me? Why would I write this case if you were a townie? Either admitt your very flawed logic or you should belive that I am scum. You did neither. And you even said earlier in the post that my play was much like scum play and also you thought there was a chance for me and s0Lstice to be scumbros. And yet you don't vote me... I have answered all you questions. You however failed to answer one of mine. Why do you not think Ha236 looks scummy? To everyone else: Why have almost noone commented on my case on The_Zen_Man/his case on me so far? | ||
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Vivax
21960 Posts
grush: ha236: s0lstice, Release The_Zen_Man: Lazermonkey grush57: KTheZ s0lstice: Release: ha236 Guys, we're at close danger of a no-lynch. I'm not very satisfied with ha236 as option cause I find his first posts regarding Lazermonkey and Release to be true, but on the other hand he didn't make a single case except for OMGUS ones now in the end and instead only spent time defending grush and himself. It was a pretty bad day 1 imo, and it can get even worse if we will have to further lurk in the dark, you'll have my vote on ha236 for the sake of the lynch, but be aware of the fact that I'll gladly switch it for any other majority. ##vote ha236 @ s0lstice odd analysis? To me town play seems to be messed up atm and you should actually thank me for getting a bit of transparency in here. Every single and good player would make such a summary in a case before going on and accusing single persons. I doubt one would want to play with a narrow sight. | ||
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Vivax
21960 Posts
Gimme a sec and I'll go through your case against The_Zen_Man. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:29 Vivax wrote: Here's an inofficial vote count somewhat including the order. grush: ha236: s0lstice, Release The_Zen_Man: Lazermonkey grush57: KTheZ s0lstice: Release: ha236 Guys, we're at close danger of a no-lynch. I'm not very satisfied with ha236 as option cause I find his first posts regarding Lazermonkey and Release to be true, but on the other hand he didn't make a single case except for OMGUS ones now in the end and instead only spent time defending grush and himself. It was a pretty bad day 1 imo, and it can get even worse if we will have to further lurk in the dark, you'll have my vote on ha236 for the sake of the lynch, but be aware of the fact that I'll gladly switch it for any other majority. ##vote ha236 @ s0lstice odd analysis? To me town play seems to be messed up atm and you should actually thank me for getting a bit of transparency in here. Every single and good player would make such a summary in a case before going on and accusing single persons. I doubt one would want to play with a narrow sight. If you're not satisfied, go read some more. | ||
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The_Zen_Man
Sweden202 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:28 Lazermonkey wrote: YO ZENMAN! You have still some unanswered questions, remember? I explain why prople think you are soft defending grush, so it might be worth a look ; ). + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2012 21:11 Lazermonkey wrote: That's cool for me. Yes, that's what you should've done in this case. Can you mention even one thing in this post that isn't already in ha236s post? I don't think it's an exaggeration. You've made 7 posts so far(not counting the /in-post). 1 is about how you missquoted 1 is about how you think Ha236 is not scum(but this is a crap post as you basically only says that). 1 is your introction post 4 is about me So basically you have two useless posts, 4 about me and one that is not. So 80% of your posts of substance is about me. First you told Release to ease the pressure on grush. Then you also accused my case against grush of being bad. You are also one of the few people that havn't yet put any pressure on grush. This is ''soft defense'' in my eyes. You havn't said you don't think he is scum but if he flips green then you will be among those who looks least guilty. It's intresting that you keep saying that the case on ha236 is so weak when there are already a couple of people willing to vote for him. Surely there must be at least something with his play that is suspicous? ''Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?'', so the fact that I thought there were something worth of notice in his post makes us both scum? eh... Lolwat. This is like the opposite of what I did. Your first posts was insanly strange and with lack of logic. Yet I didn't post a case on you. It was only after you had posted no more than 3 posts against me, all filled with crap that I wrote the actual case. I don't know, that is for you to decide as you are the scum : ). I can think of plenty of alternatives. This also adds up to my point about your indecisiveness of grush. You pull the action away from him, doesn't push him at all yet you say we should lynch him without giving any alternatives? Why so scared of voting me? Why would I write this case if you were a townie? Either admitt your very flawed logic or you should belive that I am scum. You did neither. And you even said earlier in the post that my play was much like scum play and also you thought there was a chance for me and s0Lstice to be scumbros. And yet you don't vote me... I have answered all you questions. You however failed to answer one of mine. Why do you not think Ha236 looks scummy? To everyone else: Why have almost noone commented on my case on The_Zen_Man/his case on me so far? First of all, the reason i wanted release to ease the pressure was not to "soft defend" grush, but so that the discussion would not get more out of hand, and someone else say what they think about him. They filled up 5 pages of posts, and in the end of the discussion release himself said that his comment would be useless to anyone but grush, If it has turned out like that, it benefits the case if we get some fresh eyes on the subject. You then say that i accused your case of being bad. You had a lot of flaws in your post, which we discussed before, and that is why i said it was bad. I have from the beginning said that i am suspicous of grush, and i am pushing for a lynch of him now. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:29 Vivax wrote: Here's an inofficial vote count somewhat including the order. grush: ha236: s0lstice, Release The_Zen_Man: Lazermonkey grush57: KTheZ s0lstice: Release: ha236 Guys, we're at close danger of a no-lynch. I'm not very satisfied with ha236 as option cause I find his first posts regarding Lazermonkey and Release to be true, but on the other hand he didn't make a single case except for OMGUS ones now in the end and instead only spent time defending grush and himself. It was a pretty bad day 1 imo, and it can get even worse if we will have to further lurk in the dark, you'll have my vote on ha236 for the sake of the lynch, but be aware of the fact that I'll gladly switch it for any other majority. ##vote ha236 @ s0lstice odd analysis? To me town play seems to be messed up atm and you should actually thank me for getting a bit of transparency in here. Every single and good player would make such a summary in a case before going on and accusing single persons. I doubt one would want to play with a narrow sight. Yea, it is odd. If I want to know what someone thinks of grush, I'll go look at their filter. Your post was a needless summarization. Now you just posted a vote count. This is like textbook 'scum trying to look useful' fodder. I've seen your town play, and this doesn't look anything like it. Yea, it got you lynched last game, so you may be trying to change it up, but what you've changed to is not an improvement as of yet. Lazermonkey, I'm gonna comment on your Zen_Man case in a bit. | ||
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The_Zen_Man
Sweden202 Posts
##Vote: grush57 | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 11 2012 05:42 The_Zen_Man wrote: I don't care about your intentions here. You told him to ease the pressure on grush. You never said anything about grush but that you thought he looked scummy. You didn't bring the case even one centimeter further. You also said my case against grush was bad. Thus you soft defended him.First of all, the reason i wanted release to ease the pressure was not to "soft defend" grush, but so that the discussion would not get more out of hand, and someone else say what they think about him. They filled up 5 pages of posts, and in the end of the discussion release himself said that his comment would be useless to anyone but grush, If it has turned out like that, it benefits the case if we get some fresh eyes on the subject. You then say that i accused your case of being bad. You had a lot of flaws in your post, which we discussed before, and that is why i said it was bad. I have from the beginning said that i am suspicous of grush, and i am pushing for a lynch of him now. So you first say you think grush looks suspicious, without saying why. Then you post one hellofacase on me. You then decide to vote grush anyway. Lol? And you still haven't said why you think he is scummy. Just that he is... On June 11 2012 05:45 The_Zen_Man wrote: If it gets to a choice between grush and ha(which it seems to go too) i will choose grush. I do not like ha as a lynch, but grush has seemed much more suspicous to me. If people feel the same, now is the time to vote for him. ##Vote: grush57 Yet another post. He is suspicious. Why? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
ha236 (3): s0lstice, Release, Vivax grush57 (2): KtheZ, The_Zen_Man The_Zen_Man (1): Lazermonkey Yet to vote: ha236, grush57, ShiaoPi All votes MUST be bolded for them to count. 2 hours or so left till the lynch. It takes 5 votes to lynch someone | ||
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ha236
Sweden36 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
Or there is going to be a no lynch, or me dying as a townie lynch. (Ha voting Release is kind of strange) | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Read through the posts until now and I am happy to see that you guys pressured ha236, his responses seems to have been accusations of so-called "dumb logic" and some OMGUS votes thrown around. The more he squirmed under pressure the more he seemed to be scummy. Should be easy to consolidate on a lynch on ha236 now: ##Vote: ha236 @Lazermonkey: I would consider looking at them more thoroughly on day1 if we had a chance to consolidate a lynch on one of you, but since it is (most likely) going to be between grush and ha236, it is for now better to off one of them instead of dividing our votes and maybe even make it into a no-lynch | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Vivax
21960 Posts
Btw, I can prove you are being selective since I didn't see you pick on the following summary yet. I just wonder if you are being selective on purpose cause raising suspicion on me would further increase the chance of a No lynch or if it's by mistake. While working on Lazermonkeys case against The_Zen_Man i found another 'needless summarization': + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2012 04:47 Lazermonkey wrote: So right now, we have not too much time untill lynching. We need to get something done here. With nine players there are 5(Lol) players that have received FoS/Votes unless I'm misstaken. These players are: grush Ha236 me(Lazermonkey) The_Zen_Man s0Lstice s0Lstice were also suspicious of KtheZ recently, although no FoS were placed. Regarding The_Zen_Man case: I especially liked LazerMans point regarding the contradiction between the FoS on him, but the vote on grush. It looks like The_Zen_Man doesn't believe much in his own case. We also have to consider that The_Zen_Man mostly used ha236 points already posted to soft-defend grush. That would allow scum to deflect attention to ha236 again in case gursh flips green. That's about the latest points made by Lazermonkey, now to my own analysis, I'll be especially focusing on The_Zen_Man's first posts: On June 09 2012 18:11 The_Zen_Man wrote: Hey guys, just woke up(time difference suck). 1:I have read some of the grush-release discussion, and i can say that i did found Grush comment weird. Also some of his later post is also strange. I will post a analysis on him later. 2:But release, you are going against him to hard. You said it yourself before, that your comment is useless to anyone but grush. If it's like that, you should let others give their opinions about him, and focus on someone else for a bit. 3:Also, as to my opinions on lynching, i agree that in case there is a hard lurker and no scum reads we should lynch the lurker, as he is not contributing anyways. But lynching with not much information (like d1) will probably result in a misslynch. We still gain information even is there is no lynch, by observing how players act before lynch, what they vote for, reaction after lynch, etc. 1. Here's the broken promise: We still have no analysis on grush from you. In a lynch all liars environment you would already be in huge trouble. 2. Without the analysis, you proceed to soft-defend him. The problem about your posts is the way you do that: You tell Release to focus on someone else. Imagine if he suddenly switched target like you propose, that would make him look quite inconsistent...and scummy. 3. The opinions on lynching. I mean, seriously? This part confuses the hell out of me. We should lynch lurkers, but on the other hand you say it will probably result in a mislynch. Then you actually say that we might gain information without a lynch. How is that so? Both points lack reasoning behind them and contradict the other points in your post. Your opinion on lynching policy is wishy washy and no opinion, you seem to promote everything at once. The next posts show your support of ha, always disproving points others make against grush, but at the same time you emphasize your beliefs that he looks scummy. On June 10 2012 17:35 The_Zen_Man wrote: I really don't know how ha got to be one of the "top" scum reads on this game. His play does not seem scummy at all to me. I think the best d1 lynch is grush, and then we can think about how to proceed once he flips. Once ha gets into the crosshair, all of sudden you think it's best to drop all your defenses of grush and to lynch him. When Lazermonkey actually notices your suspicious behavior: On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: The case against Lazermonkey: First of all, i would like to say that i am not making this in respond to Lazermonkey voring on me, but rather that he said that i did not have any ideas of my own. I think this quotation of mine reminds that he does have a point about that. You took many of the points about grushs defense from ha236, allowing you to deflect responsibility in case they turn out to be wrong. Looking at your and ha2's posts, your stances are soft and inconsistent as opposed to his, so I'll let you know: If there's a choice between a majority on you and a majority on ha2, I will pick the one against you. ##FoS The_Zen_Man | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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KtheZ
United States813 Posts
or: A lot of vote-switching Obvious things aside, Although I am not convinced ha is scum, if it comes down to a no-lynch I will switch my vote to ha. I have read his posts and s0Lstice/Release's arguments and have concluded that he is a reasonable second to grush. I have now read through Lazermonkey's posts about Zen_Man. After seeing Zen_Man's wishy-washy voting (voting grush without analysis, and his attempts to reduce the cross-examination of grush) I am suspicious enough to at least FoS him. FoS: The_Zen_Man | ||
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