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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I WILL look into your suspicions if you flip town sir. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Night 1 ![[image loading]](http://slice.seriouseats.com/images/20120226-insideoven.jpg) It was twilight. The sun had just passed under the horizon and the remaining hints of daylight were slowly fading. Along the street walked one man, confused and dazed, lost. He saw the destruction around him, the burning, the pillaging, the horror. Yet, it passed over him. He was oblivious to the sound of crashing glass behind him, the dark figure that passed into the building and out again. Within seconds the mob had arrived, though to him it felt like an age. "It's him!" Pandain, ordinary citizen was left to bleed to death on the corner of 82nd Street and 2nd Avenue. 23 hours, until 21:00 GMT (+00:00) to get in your night actions. One hour of night action resolution to follow in which posting is allowed but actions may not be changed. No actions will be accepted after the deadline, which again, is exactly an hour before the night deadline. + Show Spoiler [final votecount] + Day 1 Vote Count VisceraEyes (1) furerkip Blazinghand (1) Katina ghost_403 (0) hyaach (3) Navillus Snarfs Pandain MrZentor (1) ghost_403 Navillus (0) Pandain (7) VisceraEyes Blazinghand Artanis[Xp] Shraft zelblade Hyaach MrZentor | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
C'est la vie. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Mainly because claiming vig on day one is the safest blue. I believe Pandain was playing with the fact that townies are rather reluctant to lynch blues but burnt his finger doing so. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
UGH. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Katina
United States454 Posts
Let's take a look at one of his first posts. On June 05 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Attention! I have a very important announcement for everyone in town! I am a Miller! What does this mean? First and most importantly, it means that I am a "townie" and win with Town. I'm not a "traitor" who wins with scum, or a "survivor" who wins with whomever, I'm a Miller and despite what our DTs may tell us later, I win with Town. Now, I don't expect you to just take my word for it: I expect you to keep a very close eye on me and lynch the FUCK out of me if it looks like I'm pushing Mafia objectives…but I don't expect that to be a problem because I'm going to be very actively pushing TOWN objectives. However, what I propose is that we do NOT waste DT checks on me. Why? Because all it will do is confirm what I've told you just now - that a DT check will return a guilty result. What I propose you do is hold me to a higher standard than others when considering my lynch. Not an impossible standard - I DO want to live long enough to help find some scum…but a higher standard than others you consider for lynch in regard to content and clarity. In return, I promise to be as open and honest with my reads and thoughts as possible, while simultaneously trying to consolidate my own posts for maximum thread readability. So there you have it! I'm a Miller! What do you think about THAT, town? I'm actually a little excited because finally I don't have a freaking BLUE role to ruin. ^^ Here he opens with claiming that he is a Miller. He makes this big post about how he is all for the town and don't bother with a DT check because he will come back red. He says to keep a close eye on him and if it looks as if he is pushing a Mafia agenda then to lynch him. He uses capitals to emphasize his points and what NOT <--- to do. He comes out of nowhere with this post because he knows that people love to kill him and/or check him night 1. This is an attempt to divert suspicion from him and to ignore any evidence suggesting otherwise because he made it known early on. So when someone brings up suspicion he can just say "No. I told you early on I was a miller blah blah blah" This is proven in his next post when he recieves a vote On June 05 2012 07:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Pushing mafia objectives =/= being obvious scum friend, I don't know where you've been playing. Town should be keeping a super-close eye on me regardless of what I'm doing, exactly because of this claim. I'm not trying to "avoid examination", I'm trying to make the most of our DT checks. Are you saying that it would be beneficial to town somehow to "confirm" my claim by checking me only to lynch me later for me to flip exactly what I said I would? Is that what you're trying to achieve here? Having DT's actually check me? Because it seems like an awful waste to me, especially since your first reaction to the claim was "KILL IT!!!"...like, if all it's going to take is an off word or two to send me through the shredder, then why the hell WOULD a DT check me? Anyway, I'm open to suggestions as to how to handle it - I gave my suggestion. Enough said. On June 05 2012 07:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Thank you. So which camp are you in BH? Hilarious or Bad? Because I think this is probably the best way to handle Miller right now. Here we see that VE can get away with just about anything because people just brush it off as typical VE play. I refuse to just brush all the derpness that comes out of VE's mouth as just typical VE play. On June 06 2012 09:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Now, Katina, tell me it surprises you. Go on, I could use a good laugh. ^^ I say it every game - my vote is a tool. People react to pressure, and my vote helps to lend that telling pressure. Do you think it's scummy? Because I couldn't help but notice that you left that out of your astute analysis of my votes.  This was his post that he made in defense of his voting on three different people. As you can see it's not much.... Again he uses the "My vote is a tool" excuse. He is really playing up his "I'm VE I vote on the whole town in a day and people will just nod and smile" I'm not buying it. This is also interesting On June 06 2012 04:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I'm sold. Like, his style isn't generally regarded as good for town, so I could understand if he were trying to switch it up or something, but he's not trying to find scum either so I can't accept that as a response even if he says that's the case. We're halfway through D1 so people should have some pretty firm opinions about someone...BH hasn't displayed any opinions of anyone. ##Unvote: ghost_403 ##Vote: Blazinghand Note how he is sold on BH and ready to lynch. Then what does silly VE do? On June 06 2012 10:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not interested in lynching BH today. He posts this later on. I thought he was sold? On June 06 2012 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm ready to lynch Pandain. lolwut? Who's with me? This post followed after. He makes a silly post that he is ready to lynch Pandian. Okay, well he was playing oddly I will give him that then he proceeds to make this case: On June 06 2012 12:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Also this leads well into my thesis: "BULLSHIT!" An observation of the logical fallacy "too scummy to be scum" and it's effect on this game. I think that Furerkip is scum. He's been looking at the game in a very limited way: removing bad townies so that scum are easier to find. However, as it's been observed numerous times in the past and what has become the town consensus is that this is a terrible way to play the game because there's no benefit to killing townies. This is where the logical fallacy is rooted. In my post here I point out both why I'm suspicious of Furerkip and also why I could be mistaken about my read. I'm conflicted, because I'm suspicious, but I feel he could be town, so I employ town to look for me and give me the "second opinion" I desire. The responses were almost unanimously in favor of "newb-town" because of how aggressively he attacks me and how anti-town his posting is. However, the first point about his aggressiveness is null because not only does he backpedal before he leaves (in spite of leaving his vote on me) in this post: ...but he hasn't been back in the thread to continue his "brashly aggressive" style against anyone else in the game. Just parks his vote on me. And the second point of how anti-town his motivation is - is based entirely upon the logical fallacy "too scummy to be scum". There's no such thing as too scummy to be scum. For these reasons, I remain suspicious of Furerkip and anyone who has been pushing the notion that he's auto-town because of his responses deserves instant FoS, which happens to include Mr. Pandain. He makes this case on Furerkip and just briefly mentions Pandian at the end. I thought he was ready to lynch Pandian. Why make a post against another player instead of making your case on Pandian to ensure his lynch? On June 06 2012 13:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll make a case later Pandain. Suffice to say that I feel like you've been playing a scummy game all game, and it has only now become clear why. What? Don't most people make their cases then cast their votes instead of waiting for later? I'm not sure why VE would need to wait until later to make his case. It really makes no sense. VE has been all over the place day 1. He goes after several people. He votes on one person then goes and makes accusations and cases against someone else. His play is incredibly inconsistent. He is using his "Typical Play" card to do whatever he wants. He is doing nothing but casting doubt around the town. His focus is on throwing around accusations to try and appear like he's scumhunting. He appears to be pushing a Mafia agenda. VE made his miller claim early on so no one will suspect him because he "warned" us. His play has been completely ridiculous. He shouldn't be allowed to live through the night let alone another day. VisceraEyes is Mafia. Don't let his excuses that he's VE fool you into overlooking his scummyness. He is not helping the town at all. This needs to stop. VE is over emphasizing his Millerness. It reminds me of Bill Murray in jubjub where he got checked before the mafia converted him, and he just kept emphasizing that he was innocent cause he got checked. Also we should kill blazinghand. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'm not trying to use my "typical play" card, but I can't help the fact that my typical play is very distinctive either. If you want to lynch me for spearheading this lynch, that's fine...but call it what it is. Virtually no part of my play has been scummy this game, I've been actively trying to get content INTO the thread. Also just in case you're mafia and counting on it, I'm not going to flip out all VE-style because you're suspicious of me Katina...I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing, so factor that in young lady. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I understand what you're saying, I do...but I'm trying to give BH the benefit of the doubt where all of that is concerned. I appreciate that you're trying to be helpful, but don't give me the benefit of the doubt. I mean, I personally like it when people agree with me, but giving people the benefit of the doubt is dangerous. Don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt-- don't ever impair your scumhunting. If you feel there's something wrong with someone's play, either make note of it and address your read accordingly or air it with the town- we'll be better off for it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
"Hey BH, why aren't you calling that guy an idiot douchebag when he's very obviously being an idiot douchebag?" Like...you're trying something new, so I want to give you the freedom to do that. You want me to find it suspicious? Because that's like...LITERALLY the only thing Katina has on you. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Furerkip, I want to hear what you think of me. I mean, I want to hear almost anything out of you at this point, but that's a good enough starting point, isn't it? We haven't seen you in 2 days, and you ended the day with your vote on... VE. Overall you were profoundly, deeply unhelpful. Where you at? | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
I've got this gut feeling that at least part of the Mafia is lurking. They might have one active veteran player in VE/BH but I think that at least one (likely two) of them are skating by without posting much. My proposed lynch target for Day 2 is zelblade. My first issue with him are these questions: + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2012 12:08 zelblade wrote: Why would it take "huge balls" to claim if he is town? Why would you let him live for only "a day"? Why would you put his analysis specifically to be dismembered and examined just because his is immune to checks? Does this mean you think this claim is suspicious? On June 05 2012 15:54 zelblade wrote: How does claiming miller paint a targert on his head if hes town when its an anti-town role. And you didnt answer this: Why did you state that you are going to let him leave for only "a day?" On June 05 2012 16:46 zelblade wrote: Eh wait what did you mean by "paint a targert on his head" It generally means a targert for scum to shoot (thats what I thought you said) but did you mean a targert to be lynched instead? They make him appear pro town, when in reality he doesn't really have to anything at all. They make it seem like he's contributing to the town even though he's not. I wouldn't have as much of an issue with them if it weren't for his lack of contributions to the town. (VE also poses a lot of questions, but he also brings new information to the table, makes his own cases, etc.) After this he returns after about 24 hours just to jump on the Pandain lynch with this post: On June 06 2012 22:21 zelblade wrote: Apologies for the splotchy activity have been a little busy of late. Either way I would be perfectly fine with a Pandain lynch. The blueslip feels exteremely fake to me. Slipping like that is akin to making a major scumslip... and one is more likely than not going to be more careful about leaking their role no? As pointed out, the random vig claim as well as the random mason discussion managed to severly derail the thread which reeks of scum. A couple more points is that he tries to dump suspision on me through a vauge statement. [1] + Show Spoiler + I'm also very suspicious of Zellblade, as he's hardly posted at all. In fact, hilariously enough, he's just asked interogative questions. Which I find hilarious and will do one day. So why are interogative questions suspicious? I found hyaach's post to be a little.... wierd so I questioned it. Why do you even bring me up if you dont intend to lynch me today? (Assuming this since he wants to lynch BH + he isnt even bothering to make a serious case) Town doesnt bring up every little suspision they have and put it out in the open, and this side comment looks alot like mafia attempting to derail the discussion onto me. Note that this is when pressure starts going onto him. [2] ##vote: pandain
Keep in mind that this is the only lenghty (it's lenghty compared to his other posts) post that zelblade has written, it contains only bullshit, and he does not take a firm stance on anything. He is just "fine with the Pandain lynch". His two most recent post about furerkip's scum slip (which furerkip has yet to explain, by the way) brings no new information either. Basically what I'm saying is that if zelblade doesn't do some quality posting during Day 2, we should lynch the fuck out of him. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
Look at what he's done: a) He hasn't contributed to any scumhunting. He hasn't asked questions and he hasn't used his vote to pressure people. b) His vote on Pandain seemed very forced, as Navillus and I have both mentioned. c) He blames his lack of content on the time zone difference. There were a ton of things he could have talked about when he was online. Not being online at the same time as others is not an excuse for not commenting on things that have happened in the game. Now there are still over 48 hours for things to happen in the thread, but if I had to decide a lynch at this exact moment, it'd be Hyaach. As far as zelblade goes, I think the questions he's asking are leading questions and are effective at putting pressure on his targets. He's not just asking people questions that are easy to answer, he seems to be implying a certain answer and this is very similar to my own method of scumhunting. I'd much prefer to lynch Hyaach. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Eh? Eh? I'm gonna do some digging and see what pops up. | ||
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