EPTI also would encourage any real vig we have to strongly consider shooting a hardcore lurker so we don't have to waste a lynch on them and because even if they're town it narrows down the lurkers making it much harder for scum to get away with it. If you're town and you haven't been active please it can only help town, even if you think your reads aren't good or are not positive what you want to push at the second, the very act of you talking in the thread makes it harder for scum to hide while doing no work.
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
I also would encourage any real vig we have to strongly consider shooting a hardcore lurker so we don't have to waste a lynch on them and because even if they're town it narrows down the lurkers making it much harder for scum to get away with it. If you're town and you haven't been active please it can only help town, even if you think your reads aren't good or are not positive what you want to push at the second, the very act of you talking in the thread makes it harder for scum to hide while doing no work. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
This is another reminder that the night action deadline is ONE HOUR BEFORE the normal night deadline. You have roughly 13 and a half hours from the time of this post to get in night actions and then another hour after that until the actions are resolved and the nightpost is put up. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
I'm on a bus home right now, will post more in a bit | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 07 2012 11:42 Navillus wrote: Shraft I agree about lurking but I think the first order of business should be to get as many people as we can to stop lurking, I'm worried about making a case like this on ZB at this second because I think it's case on the lurker who's contributed the most because he has contributions to look at while there are others (furer and hyaach among others) who have yet to make any strong statements, they have almost nothing that can be analyzed and that's something we should make clear they have to stop even before we try to get someone lynched. Yes, I agree that we do need to get them to post. Out of the lurkers (zelblade, furerkips, Hyaach, and maybe Snarfs) I think that zelblade is the one looking most suspicious. That's exactly why I wrote my analysis on him. I don't think your reasons for worrying are valid. zelblade has not made a strong statement about anything yet either, and his posts are lacking just about as much as Hyaach's. I don't know what you really mean with "... and that's something we should make clear they have to stop even before we try to get someone lynched". If you think my way of putting lurkers in the spotlight is bad, how'd you suggest we get them to post? By asking nicely? We need to threaten them, or they are going to keep lurking (and get away with it), that's just how it works. Regarding Hyaach, I find him the second most suspicious of the lurkers, simply because of his complete lack of contributions along with just jumping on the easiest lynch without much thought. I believe that furerkips has posted most out of the three lurkers (I'm not saying that he's contributed enough, or that he's probably town). It's disturbing that he has not posted anything for two days. He seems to be indifferent to the outcome of the lynch as well, coming in and just placing his retarded vote on VE in the beginning of the day and then disappearing, not coming back for two (?) days. Snarfs has not posted that much either, I don't really know if I'd call him a lurker. Either way, when he has posted, he seems to post relevant stuff, and he does not simply come in and vote on the easiest target without providing any reasoning. I'm getting a town vibe from him. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
On June 07 2012 09:40 Shraft wrote: I'm not that suspicious of Navillus anymore. All of my problems with him came from one post that I thought was loaded with scumminess, but I haven't been able to notice anything scummy about his subsequent posts. I've made the mistake of tunneling a player based off of one really scummy post before, and I am not going to do it again. Additionally, we now know that Pandain had a town read on him. I've got this gut feeling that at least part of the Mafia is lurking. They might have one active veteran player in VE/BH but I think that at least one (likely two) of them are skating by without posting much. My proposed lynch target for Day 2 is zelblade. My first issue with him are these questions: + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2012 12:08 zelblade wrote: Why would it take "huge balls" to claim if he is town? Why would you let him live for only "a day"? Why would you put his analysis specifically to be dismembered and examined just because his is immune to checks? Does this mean you think this claim is suspicious? On June 05 2012 15:54 zelblade wrote: How does claiming miller paint a targert on his head if hes town when its an anti-town role. And you didnt answer this: Why did you state that you are going to let him leave for only "a day?" On June 05 2012 16:46 zelblade wrote: Eh wait what did you mean by "paint a targert on his head" It generally means a targert for scum to shoot (thats what I thought you said) but did you mean a targert to be lynched instead? They make him appear pro town, when in reality he doesn't really have to anything at all. They make it seem like he's contributing to the town even though he's not. I wouldn't have as much of an issue with them if it weren't for his lack of contributions to the town. (VE also poses a lot of questions, but he also brings new information to the table, makes his own cases, etc.) After this he returns after about 24 hours just to jump on the Pandain lynch with this post: On June 06 2012 22:21 zelblade wrote: Apologies for the splotchy activity have been a little busy of late. Either way I would be perfectly fine with a Pandain lynch. The blueslip feels exteremely fake to me. Slipping like that is akin to making a major scumslip... and one is more likely than not going to be more careful about leaking their role no? As pointed out, the random vig claim as well as the random mason discussion managed to severly derail the thread which reeks of scum. A couple more points is that he tries to dump suspision on me through a vauge statement. [1] + Show Spoiler + I'm also very suspicious of Zellblade, as he's hardly posted at all. In fact, hilariously enough, he's just asked interogative questions. Which I find hilarious and will do one day. So why are interogative questions suspicious? I found hyaach's post to be a little.... wierd so I questioned it. Why do you even bring me up if you dont intend to lynch me today? (Assuming this since he wants to lynch BH + he isnt even bothering to make a serious case) Town doesnt bring up every little suspision they have and put it out in the open, and this side comment looks alot like mafia attempting to derail the discussion onto me. Note that this is when pressure starts going onto him. [2] ##vote: pandain
Keep in mind that this is the only lenghty (it's lenghty compared to his other posts) post that zelblade has written, it contains only bullshit, and he does not take a firm stance on anything. He is just "fine with the Pandain lynch". His two most recent post about furerkip's scum slip (which furerkip has yet to explain, by the way) brings no new information either. Basically what I'm saying is that if zelblade doesn't do some quality posting during Day 2, we should lynch the fuck out of him. I dont see how me saying that the blueslip seemed fake is bullshit, when it seemed so forced. I cannot wrap my head around someone "slipping" like that, and thus thought it was fake, and thus thought he was fakeclaiming scum since doing that as town makes no sense. Basically I agreed with the pandain case and thought that he was most likely to flip scum on a couple of points, and I mention them in passing. So just because I dont bring up any new points means im scum? Really? As town I usually sheep cases that I find are good/likely to hit scum, might I ask, how is this suspicious to you? Also, "im fine with a pandain lynch" = I want to lynch pandain, I think hes scum and he needs to hang. Are you really going to nitpick over a small thing like phrasing? Me voting him means me making a stance on the issue. What does "firm" stance even mean? I guess its fine to accuse me if I try to shrink away from responsibility after the lynch, but am I doing that? | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 07 2012 17:48 zelblade wrote: I dont see how me saying that the blueslip seemed fake is bullshit, when it seemed so forced. I cannot wrap my head around someone "slipping" like that, and thus thought it was fake, and thus thought he was fakeclaiming scum since doing that as town makes no sense. It makes little sense as scum as well. Either way, the jump from bad claim -> scum is not straightforward, and you do not offer any explaination about it, except that it "reeks of scum". It's bullshit because it's taking an action that is not very telling of his alignment and saying that it reeks of scum, without you explaining why. On June 07 2012 17:48 zelblade wrote: Basically I agreed with the pandain case and thought that he was most likely to flip scum on a couple of points, and I mention them in passing. So just because I dont bring up any new points means im scum? Really? As town I usually sheep cases that I find are good/likely to hit scum, might I ask, how is this suspicious to you? It's not suspicious by itself, but when you're not contributing anything at all, along with only sheeping your votes, it starts to worry me. On June 07 2012 17:48 zelblade wrote: Also, "im fine with a pandain lynch" = I want to lynch pandain, I think hes scum and he needs to hang. Are you really going to nitpick over a small thing like phrasing? Me voting him means me making a stance on the issue. What does "firm" stance even mean? I guess its fine to accuse me if I try to shrink away from responsibility after the lynch, but am I doing that? I agree that it's a minor thing, but I don't think that "I'm fine with the Pandain lynch" equals "I want to lynch Pandain". | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
As stated I was busy with stuff. Will have more time so dont worry about it. It does equal it -_- Even if you dont think it does the fact that I voted him along with the post should say something no? | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 07 2012 18:36 zelblade wrote: I think its fairly obvious why fakeclaiming vig as a vt d1 isnt exactly the smartest thing. As stated I was busy with stuff. Will have more time so dont worry about it. It does equal it -_- Even if you dont think it does the fact that I voted him along with the post should say something no? Townies do stupid stuff as well. There's a difference between doing something dumb and doing something scummy. You might be right about my concern with your wording/not taking a firm stance issue, but that's still just a minor part pf my concern with you. We should stop arguing this. It is not going to render us anything useful. There is a better way for you to convince us that you are town. Go look for scum. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Nor how KP is decided. So how did Furekip came to the conclusion of 4 ? | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:21 MrZentor wrote: I was starting to wonder if anybody had noticed the "as blue we" line or if everybody was afraid of pointing it out. BH, remember this? On June 06 2012 12:11 MrZentor wrote: I do agree that the "accidental claim" looks a bit forced. It could be that he claimed later as a vanilla town to act as a target. I'm starting to think it's more likely that he's scum though, as why would he lie about accidentally claiming instead of saying that he was breadcrumbing if he were vanilla town? On June 07 2012 07:14 MrZentor wrote: Why would you blue claim when you're an ordinary townsperson? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On June 07 2012 20:11 Hyaach wrote: I was looking for players number too and it doesnt say anywhere how many mafia there is. Nor how KP is decided. So how did Furekip came to the conclusion of 4 ? We could WIFOM away about why he might have said there are 4 scum (I can think of both town and mafia motivations, whether that number is right or not), or you could try and find someone doing scummy things. For instance, VE just called out a BH/zelblade possible scum team. Can you read through the thread and give us your opinion on those two players? | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Katina seems to have it in her head that I'm scum, in spite of me trying my hardest to just emanate green...to be honest the fervor with which she believes her (awful) case and the timing of it are extremely suspicious to me. Like, if she's been this suspicious of me all game, why hasn't she been trying to get me lynched? Especially with built in support in the form of Furerkip's placeholder vote? What do you think of Katina sir? She's been all over BH, which I'm sure you like, but what do you think about her case on me? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Hyaach is your only read that I can see...wanna expand on that in addition to answer my question regarding Katina sir? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On June 08 2012 03:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have some thoughts on the matter that I'll post once it's past 11PM, VE. I may be dead by then...  But fair enough. Actually it's not very likely with my claim and my spearheading a townie lynch that I'll be hit anyway, so I can wait. ^^ I guess you're not very concerned about dying Artanis? /:| | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
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