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Apologies for the splotchy activity have been a little busy of late.
Either way I would be perfectly fine with a Pandain lynch. The blueslip feels exteremely fake to me. Slipping like that is akin to making a major scumslip... and one is more likely than not going to be more careful about leaking their role no? As pointed out, the random vig claim as well as the random mason discussion managed to severly derail the thread which reeks of scum. A couple more points is that he tries to dump suspision on me through a vauge statement.
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I'm also very suspicious of Zellblade, as he's hardly posted at all. In fact, hilariously enough, he's just asked interogative questions. Which I find hilarious and will do one day.
Call it OMGUS if you will, but the combanation of his mispelling my name and calling me bad hurts my feelings =(
So why are interogative questions suspicious? I found hyaach's post to be a little.... wierd so I questioned it. Why do you even bring me up if you dont intend to lynch me today? (Assuming this since he wants to lynch BH + he isnt even bothering to make a serious case) Town doesnt bring up every little suspision they have and put it out in the open, and this side comment looks alot like mafia attempting to derail the discussion onto me. Note that this is when pressure starts going onto him.
##vote: pandain
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On June 06 2012 22:12 Shraft wrote:
Hyaach, zelblade and furerkip should really start posting again. They haven't said anything for almost a day.
Had something on today.
I do find it wierd though that furekip is suddenly exteremly quiet after posting a ton regarding VE's claim near the start of the game. Might be IRL issues though.
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@shraft: Many thanks. Dunno how I miseed that.
Catching up on the thread.
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The post that I had originally thought was most scummy from Furer was this one. I don't like the fact that he says he's going to back off on VE since no one is jumping on his bandwagon. However, upon further reflection, I think he did exactly what I would have done in the situation: state that he still thought VE was scummy and move on to doing something else. I don't think that he's nearly as scummy after giving it further thought.
This post still bothers me a little:
On June 05 2012 07:38 furerkip wrote:
If you are wondering where I got 4 from, it's from the maximum amount of mafia as you can see on the 1st page.
I've checked the first page, and it doesn't say how many scum are in the game. It could be an extrapolation, or it could be a scumslip. If he does flip scum, I would assume that there are either four scum total, or, more likely, three scum and a serial killer.
I still don't like his stances on mislynches outside of LYLO, but that could be easily attributed to him learning to play outside of TL.
tl;dr: I was wrong, and my read on him has gone from scum to null.
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Let it be noted that I don't like how he's disappeared from the thread for the last 24 hours, but that's no reason to lynch him. I'll decide what to make of that if/when he comes back.
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Late to the party but did no one thought that Pand was fishing for information when he asked Masons to claim?
He could very likely be a SK as well but either way his scum.
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sorry my brain isnt working have a project to finish
##vote: pandain
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On June 06 2012 22:40 ghost_403 wrote:The post that I had originally thought was most scummy from Furer was this one. I don't like the fact that he says he's going to back off on VE since no one is jumping on his bandwagon. However, upon further reflection, I think he did exactly what I would have done in the situation: state that he still thought VE was scummy and move on to doing something else. I don't think that he's nearly as scummy after giving it further thought. This post still bothers me a little: Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 07:38 furerkip wrote:
If you are wondering where I got 4 from, it's from the maximum amount of mafia as you can see on the 1st page. I've checked the first page, and it doesn't say how many scum are in the game. It could be an extrapolation, or it could be a scumslip. If he does flip scum, I would assume that there are either four scum total, or, more likely, three scum and a serial killer. I still don't like his stances on mislynches outside of LYLO, but that could be easily attributed to him learning to play outside of TL. tl;dr: I was wrong, and my read on him has gone from scum to null.
Wait what?
I took his word for it and didnt check the OP -_-
I dont think that him claiming that there was 4 scum is scummy since its a somewhat plausible assumption and may be the norm where he plays, but him lying about it being in the op is just...
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I am actually willing to lynch furekip based on that alone. As said, there is no townie reasoning possible to lie about something like that. Sure scumslips are usually made by townies but I dont think that they would lie about their reasoning like this. The only problem with this is that it is so dumb as mafia too -_-
So furekip why did you lie about it?
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@MrZ: You asked why I thought your posting was empty. Please see attached.
@everyone who's not MrZ: This is why I think his posting is empty.
Since he made the post complaining about how I make vague statements without backing them up, MrZ has made 5 (technically six) posts.
+ Show Spoiler [I agree with Blazinghand] +On June 06 2012 11:21 MrZentor wrote:I was starting to wonder if anybody had noticed the "as blue we" line or if everybody was afraid of pointing it out. BH, remember this? Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:There is too much talk on VE and Furer. To start out, claiming miller was indeed a good move if town. It gives information to us and suggests that as blues we not check him, allowing us to use our powers on other people. VE is almost certainly town. There's a small chance he's a badass serial killer, but for him to have claimed(vulnerable to counterclaims) requires an element of risk which I do not think the SK would use. There is almost certainily not 2 millers in this setup, as having two "false" townies, as well as all the other Alignment-Confusing roles would just decimate the cop's role. Since the risk of being counterclaimed would be so damning, I do not think that VE would have claimed miller if he was mafia/SK. Especially so soon as the day started. Furer is just playing poorly, but his play does not reek of scum. He voted rashly against VE, the very first(and only) vote so far. I do not think mafia would risk bringing so much attention to themselves. He's not only single handedly try to lynch VE, but he's done it with a reckless aura that excludes mafia. I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful. I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence.
+ Show Spoiler [I agree with Pandain] +On June 06 2012 11:47 MrZentor wrote:
We shouldn't lynch BH.
We should lynch either Ghost or Navillus and have Pandain shoot the other.
+ Show Spoiler [I agree with VE... OR NOT WHATEVER] +On June 06 2012 12:11 MrZentor wrote:
I do agree that the "accidental claim" looks a bit forced.
It could be that he claimed later as a vanilla town to act as a target.
I'm starting to think it's more likely that he's scum though, as why would he lie about accidentally claiming instead of saying that he was breadcrumbing if he were vanilla town?
+ Show Spoiler [nothing] +On June 06 2012 12:21 MrZentor wrote:
Oooooo, I like his style.
It reminds me of something, but what?
+ Show Spoiler [Both of the things VE said could be true] +On June 06 2012 12:58 MrZentor wrote:
VE, the problem with that is then there is only one kill, the mafia's.
Wouldn't people get suspicious if there is only one death when the vigilante claims to have shot somebody?
In my opinion, MrZ is trying to pass off as useful without actually being useful, which makes me believe that he's scum.
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Alright, I have to go back to work, which is too bad, because I'd like to spend some more time investigating this Pandain business. I don't believe that he's the vig, but his actions are so stupid that he just might be a lying town. I need more time to think about this.
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On June 06 2012 11:21 MrZentor wrote:I was starting to wonder if anybody had noticed the "as blue we" line or if everybody was afraid of pointing it out. BH, remember this? Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:There is too much talk on VE and Furer. To start out, claiming miller was indeed a good move if town. It gives information to us and suggests that as blues we not check him, allowing us to use our powers on other people. VE is almost certainly town. There's a small chance he's a badass serial killer, but for him to have claimed(vulnerable to counterclaims) requires an element of risk which I do not think the SK would use. There is almost certainily not 2 millers in this setup, as having two "false" townies, as well as all the other Alignment-Confusing roles would just decimate the cop's role. Since the risk of being counterclaimed would be so damning, I do not think that VE would have claimed miller if he was mafia/SK. Especially so soon as the day started. Furer is just playing poorly, but his play does not reek of scum. He voted rashly against VE, the very first(and only) vote so far. I do not think mafia would risk bringing so much attention to themselves. He's not only single handedly try to lynch VE, but he's done it with a reckless aura that excludes mafia. I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful. I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence.
BH didn't know where Pandain "blueslipped", so I told him.
On June 06 2012 11:47 MrZentor wrote:
We shouldn't lynch BH.
We should lynch either Ghost or Navillus and have Pandain shoot the other.
How is this empty? I'm telling people BH is a terrible lynch and showing then two other scummy lynch candidates. (At that time I took Pandain's claim for granted, but I later see that he's probably scum.)
On June 06 2012 12:11 MrZentor wrote:
I do agree that the "accidental claim" looks a bit forced.
It could be that he claimed later as a vanilla town to act as a target.
I'm starting to think it's more likely that he's scum though, as why would he lie about accidentally claiming instead of saying that he was breadcrumbing if he were vanilla town?
Here I give an excellent reason for why he's scum, and that's empty because...?
On June 06 2012 12:21 MrZentor wrote:
Oooooo, I like his style.
It reminds me of something, but what?
It's a joke, if you couldn't tell from Snarf's response, but you wouldn't get it because you haven't researched my past games or played in them.
On June 06 2012 12:58 MrZentor wrote:
VE, the problem with that is then there is only one kill, the mafia's.
Wouldn't people get suspicious if there is only one death when the vigilante claims to have shot somebody?
And here I give a good reason for why it would still be extremely difficult for scum to pull off claiming vigilante.
Ghost, your sad attempt at making my posts bursting with information seem empty is terrible
Oh also, ##Unvote: Navillus
##Vote: Pandain
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Day 1 Vote Count
VisceraEyes (1)
furerkip
Blazinghand (1)
Katina
Snarfs
VisceraEyes
ghost_403
Pandain
ghost_403 (0)
VisceraEyes
MrZentor
hyaach (2)
Navillus
Snarfs
MrZentor (1)
Blazinghand
VisceraEyes
ghost_403
Navillus (0)
Artanis[Xp]
MrZentor
Pandain (8)
VisceraEyes
Blazinghand
Pandain
Artanis[Xp]
Shraft
zelblade
Hyaach
MrZentor
Pandain is currently set to be lynched. The day ends in 4 hours at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Yeah, my money is on SK honestly - but he could be scum. This is a good lynch guys, don't lose heart.
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A) I think MrZentor is scum. Instead of contributing to the conversation, he merely mimics what other people say in the thread. In response to me calling him out on not posting content, he replies by quoting himself a bunch and not posting content. And now, he's voting for Pandain. Why? Who knows. He never really made it clear in thread.
I'm going to vote to lynch scum, and that's why I
##unvote Blazinghand
##vote MrZentor
B) I don't like how this Pandain lynch is going along. I don't believe his claim, but I'm not convinced he's scum. He could simply be an idiot townie trying to draw mafia shots toward himself for whatever reason. I'm not comfortable lynching him today.
C) Complete and udder chaos has, once again, erupted in my life, at least for the next 18 hours. I'm not going to be back before the lynch. brb.
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There are a couple things I'm not liking here:
First off, if anyone reads Pandain's history, they can quickly verify that he does indeed often fake claim as town. Have a look at Mr Wiggles Mini 2 where day 2 he claims watcher/tracker and ends up providing town with a very solid town read based on the reactions of AKCT. This part of the case on him is a null read.
Second, the wagon grew extremely fast. VE, you have to agree with this, and I take it that's why you think that he's more likely SK than mafia. The thing is though, we don't even know if there's an SK in this game and the way this lynch is going, we're setting up to basically do scum's work for them by eliminating a blue role. Let's let mafia deal with him, and as the game goes on, if they haven't, he's going to be under a ton of scrutiny. Much like your miller claim, this essentially puts Pandain under the microscope and if there are any weird night kills he's going to be questioned on it. He knows this. Why would he willingly do this as scum?
I think we should let Pandain play this one out for awhile because I think we can get a better read on him once we know if there's an SK or not.
Third, blazinghand's reaction to Pandain's claim was very towny. I think that THAT is the aggressive blazing that we were actually looking for and I don't think that he's the best scum candidate we have any longer (read on for who that is).
##Unvote blazinghand
Finally, I think everyone should have a good clear look at the people who have jumped on the Pandain train and what their reasoning really is.
Specifically, I believe Hyaach is scum:
On June 06 2012 22:45 Hyaach wrote:
Late to the party but did no one thought that Pand was fishing for information when he asked Masons to claim?
He could very likely be a SK as well but either way his scum.
This looks very much like scum trying to justify a reason for hopping on a bus.
Pandain wasn't "fishing" for information when he asked masons to claim, he was straight up asking masons to claim.
Also, saying he could very likely be an SK as well seems to be searching for an excuse for Pandain not to be scum.
Hyaach seems to know whether Pandain is scum or town and is making up reasons to either bandwagon or bus him. His voting seems very forced and I can only justify it from a scum perspective.
##Vote Hyaach
Now, that being said, I believe that no lynches more often than not favour scum and I know it's late to bring up a new target, so if noone else sees what I do here, I'd be willing to switch to an alternative to ensure we get information from our day 1 lynch.
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Looks like Pandian is going to be lynched today. I'm not comfortable with lynching him at this moment but it looks like the town is sold on his death. I'm not sure I believe his claim of a blue role especially this early on. I would have liked to have seen more from him before making a confident desicion on his alignment.
My vote is staying on Blazinghand because I honestly think he is Mafia. His last attempts at his sarcastic, silly "Usual" play in his recent posts (which is dulled down) feel forced. How he played early on in the day really rubbed me the wrong way. He talked about mechanics instead of finding scum. He flew under the radar and his defense to posts against him was not satisfactory.
I also think that Zentor is Mafia, as ghost just said before me he hasn't been contributing anything useful to the town. His defenses are very poor and empty. I don't like his random vote on Pandian. He appears to be sheeping along with whatever the other players are doing.
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Katina and Ghost should learn to read.
Just because I didn't state the reason in the post in which I voted doesn't mean I didn't state it previously.
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