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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote: I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful. I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence. "MrZ and Navi are suspicious. MrZ because of the way he posts" On June 06 2012 11:17 Pandain wrote: I honestly don't care about Zentor or navillus. They aren't posting enough to gauge an accurate read. I do care about you though. And even if you don't get lynched, I will shoot you. + Show Spoiler + Realize I accidently claimed blue, and my role isn't important enough to justify having medic protection I'm vigilante. "MrZ hasn't posted enough for me to care about" ???? contradiction? | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:55 Blazinghand wrote: !!!!! contradiction! EBWOP | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Same goes with me. In regards to additional blue roles, masons aren't really a blue role. I doubt there are masons in this setup, but that doesn't mean we won't have an additional blue role. Masons aren't a power role. They were never even meant to be used in the way I'm envisioning them to. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
No sir, I know what a shit claim looks like. BH is right, I of all people know what a shit claim looks like. Your claim doesn't even make sense. You say you "accidentally" claim, but then go on a tirade trying to discuss who you're going to target? Bullshit sir. ##Unvote MrZentor ##Vote Pandain For attempting to derail town discussion of the lynch. He's in direct violation of TL code. Lynch him. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
To address VE shortly, however, you can refer to my earlier posts to see where I slipped my role, its even been quoted and pointed out. You can try to lynch me, though. To commence, from this little barrage of posts I've analyzed more people. I think VE is more likely town. Navillus has attempted to(rightfully) steer discussion back onto owhere we should be discussing, which was definitely the town thing to do. Mafia would either want to take a stand on the mason issue, or simply not post. Navillus acting as such strikes me as town. I'm also very suspicious of Zellblade, as he's hardly posted at all. In fact, hilariously enough, he's just asked interogative questions. Which I find hilarious and will do one day. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
It could be that he claimed later as a vanilla town to act as a target. I'm starting to think it's more likely that he's scum though, as why would he lie about accidentally claiming instead of saying that he was breadcrumbing if he were vanilla town? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On June 06 2012 12:10 Pandain wrote: I actually agree that this is getting off topic, and its just me and BH arguing semantics based on different perspectives of the principle I mentioned earlier. To address VE shortly, however, you can refer to my earlier posts to see where I slipped my role, its even been quoted and pointed out. You can try to lynch me, though. To commence, from this little barrage of posts I've analyzed more people. I think VE is more likely town. Navillus has attempted to(rightfully) steer discussion back onto owhere we should be discussing, which was definitely the town thing to do. Mafia would either want to take a stand on the mason issue, or simply not post. Navillus acting as such strikes me as town. I'm also very suspicious of Zellblade, as he's hardly posted at all. In fact, hilariously enough, he's just asked interogative questions. Which I find hilarious and will do one day. How Saying that we have different perspectives about the mason claim is like saying that bullets and massages have different perspectives about touching people. Your accidental claim is crap, your asking masons to claim is crap, and your discussions and non-discussions are crap. ##unvote MrZentor ##vote Pandain | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
[/sarcasm] No man, I'm not buying it. If you were really a vig you wouldn't be saying you're going to SHOOT BH tonight, because you'd think you have him pegged as scum and we're going to lynch him. You're thinking in terms of night-actions, in terms of scum actions. You're going to hang today. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
Also whether he's town or scum one thing he brought up needs to be noticed. way too many people are getting away with lurking frankly with this many people getting to avoid posting anything of substance I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or 3 scum aren't even posting enough to get looked at. Zelblade, Hyaach, Furer, and maybe to a lesser degree Kat all need to post on something recent and give their opinions. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
I appreciate the talk on me, however. Might as well get some new discussion going. Here, lets make things interesting and force people in. ##Unvote BlazingHand ##Vote Pandain | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
It reminds me of something, but what? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Address Navillus, make a formal case on me. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
"BULLSHIT!" An observation of the logical fallacy "too scummy to be scum" and it's effect on this game. I think that Furerkip is scum. He's been looking at the game in a very limited way: removing bad townies so that scum are easier to find. However, as it's been observed numerous times in the past and what has become the town consensus is that this is a terrible way to play the game because there's no benefit to killing townies. This is where the logical fallacy is rooted. In my post here On June 05 2012 12:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm trying to decide if kips motivation is coming from a scum standpoint. On the one hand the suggestion that getting rid of "retarded townies" is somehow beneficial to town is blatantly anti-town and at worst indicative of furerkip pushing a mafia agenda. However, newer players get it in their mind somehow that the actions of townies can damage town somehow worse than the very real consequence of their death, which is shortening the game. Town's aim needs to be lengthening the game, not shortening it. That's why we aim for scum every single lynch, because every scum lynch increases the number of days the game lasts. What gets me the most about furerkip is the fact that he is operating under the assumption that we're clear to "kill a retarded townie" under the assumption that we have "1 Mislynch we can work with". It's in this post... ...I don't understand the motivation behind this post. Like, as a townie, I'm not thinking in terms of how many townies we can kill before it's game over. I'm thinking in terms of killing scum. I aim for killing scum with the lynch, and so the number of townies "we can safely kill before LYLO" isn't even a concern to me because that number increases every lynch by my expectation, not decreases. However, all of that being said, I can see him being a newer town not really knowing what's best for town, yet acting like he does to try and establish his innocence, which IS a mark in his favor where I'm concerned. Also it doesn't make sense for scum to be so brashly antagonistic so early in the game, though I am NOT ruling it out. Ultimately, I'd be interested to see what furerkip has to say about people other than me before coming to a conclusion about where I think he's coming from. Obviously my view is skewed of him right now because his only act in the game has been attacking me. What does everyone else think about furerkip? His stance on my claim is a pretty good one to discuss, what are your thoughts on his interpretation of my claim? I point out both why I'm suspicious of Furerkip and also why I could be mistaken about my read. I'm conflicted, because I'm suspicious, but I feel he could be town, so I employ town to look for me and give me the "second opinion" I desire. The responses were almost unanimously in favor of "newb-town" because of how aggressively he attacks me and how anti-town his posting is. However, the first point about his aggressiveness is null because not only does he backpedal before he leaves (in spite of leaving his vote on me) in this post: On June 05 2012 08:07 furerkip wrote: That didn't make any sense, Serial Killers and Godfathers choose to be innocent; if he's a mafia he'll be framer or goon. Lynching townies is game ending on lynch or lose situations. Lynching bad townies on ML is actually okay in my experience. Makes for better 3-way lynches. As for the framer part, you have a good point. Anyways, it seems no one agrees with me, which makes me feel like I'm tunneling, but my FoS is still VE. I'll leave it at that, and won't press it, until I see another scumslip from him. ...but he hasn't been back in the thread to continue his "brashly aggressive" style against anyone else in the game. Just parks his vote on me. And the second point of how anti-town his motivation is - is based entirely upon the logical fallacy "too scummy to be scum". There's no such thing as too scummy to be scum. For these reasons, I remain suspicious of Furerkip and anyone who has been pushing the notion that he's auto-town because of his responses deserves instant FoS, which happens to include Mr. Pandain. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On June 06 2012 12:21 MrZentor wrote: Oooooo, I like his style. It reminds me of something, but what? I don't think I've actually laughed out loud while reading a mafia game until now  . Props to you, sir. | ||
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