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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:21 Pandain wrote: But that's the beautiful part. I fake claim every game I play. Mafia honestly don't know if I'm telling the truth or not. I may be fucking batshit, or I may be honest. If I'm telling the truth, and they roleblock me, then a.) We find out information about you(why would they protect you) b.) They don't roleblock a medic/detective. If I'm lying, they just roleblocked a regular dude and wasted a power. If that's the case, I'm dead tonight anyways. Read up on and examine my cases, and tell me what you think. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
If masons exist, they're basically either auto-confirmed town, or they're both mafia. Either way, it gives us a whole load of information. I don't think they do exist, as it already seems imbalanced to me in a 12 person setup, but the fact remains that that kind of information is invaluable to us. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
1.We have more info in lynching 2. Amount of potential mafia is lowered 3. we have confirmed townies to help analyze around 4. Mafia can't organize a planned joint claim later on Honestly, confirmed town are better than blues in alot of ways. Probably better than all of them except the Cop. But even the cop has a role twisted by possible RBer's, framers, godfathers, and serial killers, and millers. Again, two confirmed town. In a setup of 12 people. Right at the start. Just admit I'm right BH. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Pandain
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
1. and 2. are basically the same, fewer candidates and that's true anyway because if a mason comes up as a serious candidate he'll get confirmed and no longer be a candidate so for all practical purposes they're not in the lynch pool anyway. 3. has a tiny bit of merit but really they can be just as wrong as before and they can make the same cases without being confirmed, judge the case on the argument not the person. And 4. would be idiotic there are almost certainly 3-4 mafia, a joint claim of half to two thirds of their team would be suicide after a few days of neither of the "conf-town" getting killed. Either way as has been pointed out there are almost definitely no masons in this game for balance reasons so this discussion doesn't really matter. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
It really depends on whether masons claim, and if I have enough information to justify a N1 shot. We'll see. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
2) again, this only applies if one of them is already under pressure or being voted 3) "to help analyze around"? I've been confirmed town in enough games to let you know that being confirmed town doesn't make you magically right. It means you're not intentionally misleading the town, and that's it. 4) wat Look, I'm not saying confirmed towns or bad or a mason claim is bad. I'm saying that it's bad to do it right now. Here's what's gonna happen if masons claim now: tonight, mafia will have a CHOICE between either enhanced blue-sniping, or killing a confirmed town. Here's what happens if masons claim at the end of N1: mafia don't have a choice of what to do with their shot, and we still have the confirmed town players D2. So, it's pretty clear that masons claiming right now is really really bad. You're either trying to draw them out so mafia can shoot them (or aim for blues better) or you're just horribly, horribly misinformed. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
yeah I know it's pretty clear isn't it. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
We should lynch either Ghost or Navillus and have Pandain shoot the other. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
blazing's case on MrZentor is weak and contains what is certainly an appeal to our emotions: MrZ quotes it like it's some sort of evidence then says "I can't wait" as though that's analysis, but don't be tricked! It's not! Seriously? Says "I can't wait" as though that's analysis? I agree that it's a null tell for someone to claim to make a case, then not follow through with it. Town and scum both do that for different reasons. But I don't believe that MrZentor seriously thought that "I can't wait" was a good case, nor do I see how you could think that either. Also, as others have pointed out, there was a clear difference between MrZentor claiming not to know blazing's alignment, and ghost's claiming to believe VE's claim but also not trust his reads of VE. RE: Ghost: I had a look through his filter and I'm not impressed. The one good post he's had was an analysis of blazing's behaviour. Unfortunately, he followed it up later with a pretty lame interpretation of blazing's case on MrZentor: The way I see it, one of the hallmarks of his style is not abuse, but aggression. I'm not comfortable with how, early on, he didn't really accuse anyone of anything, instead squandering his posts on game mechanics instead of scum hunting. That being said, I do like his recent aggression towards MrZentor, who I think is scummy. At the moment, I'd be happier lynching MrZentor today over blazinghand. His posting is empty. I don't think blazing's case on MrZentor was aggressive at all. Several people had already expressed their suspicions of MrZentor and I'd say he was a pretty easy target to go after. RE: Navillus: He both says a lot without saying a lot (i.e. I get the impression that he is summarizing facts) and he focuses on calling out inactives. Both this post and his more recent post seem much too wordy for the points they are attempting to get across. Also, he both claims that pressure voting is ineffective when the person knows it's just a pressure vote AND he leaves his vote on hyaa as a pressure vote. Care to explain this contradiction? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Why Now is Better than N1 [b]1. Blue roles will have more information in executing their actions. There will be 2 less chances for each blue role to waste a check/shot/roleblock on a townie. Times that by the amount of power roles we have and that is a significant deal. We won't be able to do that if they claim at the very end of N1. 2. We have more information. This is good, not just becuase we won't lynch the masons, but for all the information that springs out of confirmed townies. Your right, BH, confirmed townies aren't 100% right. But the fact is that they aren't scum, and that lets us make sure town runs the scene, not scum. I'd rather have an idiot town help guide town than any scum. Masons getting shot = more blue roles able to do stuff. Blues(if even that) getting shot = we still have confirmed townie. Basically we'll have more information, and now. We already (are pretty sure) that VE is a miller, I'm a vig, if we have tow additional masons that = 4/12 people already accounted for! Then factor in individual analysis and guesswork! That's a HUGE deal in lynch one! | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:41 Blazinghand wrote: "oh wow blazinghand is really smart and pandain is not nearly as cool / sexy as blazinghand" yeah I know it's pretty clear isn't it. ^^ | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
lolwut? Who's with me? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote: 1. Blue roles will have more information in executing their actions. There will be 2 less chances for each blue role to waste a check/shot/roleblock on a townie. Times that by the amount of power roles we have and that is a significant deal. We won't be able to do that if they claim at the very end of N1. We don't have a vigi AND masons AND an additional blue role and you know it. On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote: 2. We have more information. This is good, not just becuase we won't lynch the masons, but for all the information that springs out of confirmed townies. Your right, BH, confirmed townies aren't 100% right. But the fact is that they aren't scum, and that lets us make sure town runs the scene, not scum. I'd rather have an idiot town help guide town than any scum. Given that the lynch seems to have consolidated onto me (or navi), I'd be very, very surprised if a mason somehow revealing themselves would change things today, unless Navi or me are masons, in which case my idea of "don't claim D1 unless you're gonna get lynched" applies quite well. On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote: Masons getting shot = more blue roles able to do stuff. Blues(if even that) getting shot = we still have confirmed townie. Right... but one of these two things is gonna happen ANYWAYS. all that claiming NOW does is let scum choose which one. Claiming now is terrible. On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote: Basically we'll have more information, and now. We already (are pretty sure) that VE is a miller, I'm a vig, if we have tow additional masons that = 4/12 people already accounted for! Then factor in individual analysis and guesswork! That's a HUGE deal in lynch one! 1) Whether or not VE is scummy is a function of his play, not his claim. 2) We don't know you're a vigi at the moment, as you yourself have said. 3) all of this works just as well with masons claiming N1 unless a mason is gonna get lynched, in which case they shoudl claim. MASONS: don't listen to pandain. Don't claim D1 unless you're gonna get lynched. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
I would like the people who I just addressed to comment on what I said as that's helping me hunt scum. Talking to players of a role which may or may not exist is not helping me find scum. | ||
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