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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
June 09 2012 00:17 GMT
#721
Maybe I was being me again and making it overly complicated, but I figured you'd both shoot Unforgiven.

You needed to get him off your back and needed to eliminate someone who said he wasn't looking at ShiaoPi. Figured ShiaoPi would make the same shot because he came out looking so bad that his best bet was to keep making you seem scummy, so he had to shoot Unforgiven as well and start throwing out WIFOM. Which he...didn't do.
Fe fi fo fum.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 09 2012 00:17 GMT
#722
Definitely go read MafiaQT, everyone It'll also help you in your future games and there's some pretty funny stuff in there.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 09 2012 00:19 GMT
#723
On June 09 2012 09:17 austinmcc wrote:
Maybe I was being me again and making it overly complicated, but I figured you'd both shoot Unforgiven.

You needed to get him off your back and needed to eliminate someone who said he wasn't looking at ShiaoPi. Figured ShiaoPi would make the same shot because he came out looking so bad that his best bet was to keep making you seem scummy, so he had to shoot Unforgiven as well and start throwing out WIFOM. Which he...didn't do.


Hahaha :D Keep it simpler!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 09 2012 00:21 GMT
#724
On June 09 2012 09:17 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 09 2012 09:07 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 09:00 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
On June 05 2012 11:41 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
To austincc. His post shows a pretty standard townie play, his reasoning defending suki were valid for a
Newbie townie, his actitude and his defense were good enoguh for me, the problem here is
We are dealing whit a bunch of a sheeps who let mafia (read heist- xatalos) lead their way of thought,
They are triying since the begginingg of the game to take town leadership whit lame posts and triying to look helpful, their starting strategy (I'm sure)
Was to be in the spotlight and when the town chooses a innocent just let them go for it whitout commiting too much.
Compare day1 and day2 around
Lynch time. See their voting pattern.

Heist is mafia, I'm 75% sure about xatalos



Nova_Terra
05-31-2012
01:30 AM ET (US)

Unforgiven just called for a town leader. if you have the time heist, i would try to take up this role. you shouldnt say that you want to be this leader, but you should make yourself it by making some analysis that looks pretty and by commenting on and criticizing other people. Try to sound nice thoughg, very important especially in a newbie game, as you can get lynched for being mean.


Heh... You were pretty much 100% correct all along, but you kept insulting people and throwing random one liners, so nobody listened to you. You need to retain your reading skills and seriously work on how you convey your reads...



Well, i had to login a lot form my phone, and honestly i lost interest at some point, i think it was after VIvax was lynched, you can show the way to someone, but you cant walk it for them.


You didn't really contribute before that either, though. You just announced your opinions as fact and left it at that. In hindsight, you were right, but you HAVE to convince the rest. It's just not enough to have the correct reads to win in this game. Insulting them and posting confusing stuff only turns them against you. And where did you get your reads anyway? Through OMGUS? I have to admit you acted as a scum-magnet, we all tried to get you lynched
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 09 2012 00:22 GMT
#725
Remember this in your future games: if someone starts pushing Unforgiven_ve, he's probably Mafia... lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
June 09 2012 00:23 GMT
#726
What do you know, you are just a noob mafia ;D
:)
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 09 2012 00:25 GMT
#727
On June 01 2012 09:23 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
The ridiculous aggresiveness im getting from Xatalos got me thinking about 2 things, he's just a really bad townie triying to use his ubber skills...or just a mafia playing in a pretty risky way (metagame uh?) I confess deep inside me i think its the first option, just a bad townie, contradiction and all, thats what my personal experience dictates.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D This is so true by the way... I played in a "pretty risky way (metagame uh?)" exactly as you thought
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
June 09 2012 00:26 GMT
#728
You all played pretty standar mafia, so obvious just a couple people noticed it
:)
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
June 09 2012 00:26 GMT
#729
On June 09 2012 09:17 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Well, i had to login a lot form my phone, and honestly i lost interest at some point, i think it was after VIvax was lynched, you can show the way to someone, but you cant walk it for them.

The reason we got on your case is because you didn't "show the way." Pretty quickly you started posting one liners and conclusions without much else. When you argued your side, you never did so constructively.

And it wasn't just the loss the one-liners after you lost interest, because you got called out for being an asshole N1.
Fe fi fo fum.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 09 2012 00:27 GMT
#730
On June 09 2012 09:26 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
You all played pretty standar mafia, so obvious just a couple people noticed it


You played pretty standard disruptive and anti-town townie, on the other hand xD
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
June 09 2012 00:28 GMT
#731
On June 09 2012 09:25 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 09:23 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
The ridiculous aggresiveness im getting from Xatalos got me thinking about 2 things, he's just a really bad townie triying to use his ubber skills...or just a mafia playing in a pretty risky way (metagame uh?) I confess deep inside me i think its the first option, just a bad townie, contradiction and all, thats what my personal experience dictates.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :D This is so true by the way... I played in a "pretty risky way (metagame uh?)" exactly as you thought


Yeah, if people kept it simple (as i say at the beggining of the game) and if we didnt have 8273467 lurkers, it would have been gg at D3
:)
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
June 09 2012 00:28 GMT
#732
On June 09 2012 09:27 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 09:26 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
You all played pretty standar mafia, so obvious just a couple people noticed it


You played pretty standard disruptive and anti-town townie, on the other hand xD


Yo, its just supersayian metagame
:)
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
June 09 2012 00:30 GMT
#733
On June 09 2012 09:26 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 09:17 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Well, i had to login a lot form my phone, and honestly i lost interest at some point, i think it was after VIvax was lynched, you can show the way to someone, but you cant walk it for them.

The reason we got on your case is because you didn't "show the way." Pretty quickly you started posting one liners and conclusions without much else. When you argued your side, you never did so constructively.

And it wasn't just the loss the one-liners after you lost interest, because you got called out for being an asshole N1.


Yeah anac, Maybe you are right.
:)
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
June 09 2012 00:33 GMT
#734
We're all just making it up? Both scum AND town thought you were disruptive and anti-town?


On June 02 2012 10:33 s0Lstice wrote:
This is the last I'm going to say on this. It has nothing to do with this Mafia game. I'm even going to spoiler it.
Unforgiven
+ Show Spoiler +
Do you see anybody else here calling other people names? Want to know why it's just you? Because you're being an asshole. Assholes insult people, and then tell them not to take it personal, like that makes it ok. This being a game doesn't give you license to be condescending and disrespectful. In fact, it's the opposite. If you want respect, you show respect. I can't speak for everyone else, but for me, you have made this game less fun with your recent posts.



He was spot on.
Fe fi fo fum.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 09 2012 00:33 GMT
#735
Is there going to be an analysis like this one btw? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707&currentpage=30#595
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 09 2012 00:34 GMT
#736
On June 09 2012 09:17 austinmcc wrote:
Maybe I was being me again and making it overly complicated, but I figured you'd both shoot Unforgiven.

You needed to get him off your back and needed to eliminate someone who said he wasn't looking at ShiaoPi. Figured ShiaoPi would make the same shot because he came out looking so bad that his best bet was to keep making you seem scummy, so he had to shoot Unforgiven as well and start throwing out WIFOM. Which he...didn't do.


I thought throwing out WIFOM would have looked like grasping at straws :D
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 09 2012 00:39 GMT
#737
On June 09 2012 09:34 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 09:17 austinmcc wrote:
Maybe I was being me again and making it overly complicated, but I figured you'd both shoot Unforgiven.

You needed to get him off your back and needed to eliminate someone who said he wasn't looking at ShiaoPi. Figured ShiaoPi would make the same shot because he came out looking so bad that his best bet was to keep making you seem scummy, so he had to shoot Unforgiven as well and start throwing out WIFOM. Which he...didn't do.


I thought throwing out WIFOM would have looked like grasping at straws :D


Well, basically yeah. Your fate was almost sealed when heist flipped. I'm not sure what I would've done in your situation, although I wouldn't have wanted to get there in the first place (defending alone someone whom everyone else thought was Mafia..?). It didn't help that you inherited such a bad filter from o.Golden_ne...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 09 2012 00:40 GMT
#738
On June 09 2012 09:33 Xatalos wrote:
Is there going to be an analysis like this one btw? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707&currentpage=30#595

I was quite busy playing myself while hosting this and only checked for what's in the posts while reading them really fast
Haven't kept up with why people did things that much

Marv probably has a better idea on what actually happened lol
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 09 2012 00:41 GMT
#739
On June 09 2012 09:33 austinmcc wrote:
We're all just making it up? Both scum AND town thought you were disruptive and anti-town?


Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 10:33 s0Lstice wrote:
This is the last I'm going to say on this. It has nothing to do with this Mafia game. I'm even going to spoiler it.
Unforgiven
+ Show Spoiler +
Do you see anybody else here calling other people names? Want to know why it's just you? Because you're being an asshole. Assholes insult people, and then tell them not to take it personal, like that makes it ok. This being a game doesn't give you license to be condescending and disrespectful. In fact, it's the opposite. If you want respect, you show respect. I can't speak for everyone else, but for me, you have made this game less fun with your recent posts.



He was spot on.


Agreed... Although, in a way, Unforgiven_ve destroyed some of the atmopshere -> made our job easier, it still wasn't enjoyable. I would take subtle disruption of the thread (by Mafia) over insults and useless one liners (by town) any day.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 09 2012 00:42 GMT
#740
Well it should not trust my reads too much I guess. But moving away from heist would have seemed really scummy too (at least in my opinion) so I just thought stick with it until he goes totally bonkers/scummy >_>
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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