|
You bring up some important things I want to address Vivax
His support of Ange came only after she had started attacking Unforgiven. I feel that's pretty important. Yes she also accused Suki, but Heist was attempting to add his voice to her case on Unforgiven to make it appear more attractive. He supports the driving force in the counter-movement to Suki's lynch (Ange's argument on Unforgiven), and also goes after her target with gusto. Both things contribute to stop the lynch of Suki. He was doing everything in his power to make the case on Unforgiven gain leverage.
Also, about him easily blending in on the Ange777 bandwagon. When she came in and started posting, that bandwagon lost a lot of steam. It became increasingly clear to him, as it did to me, that the Ange777 lynch was not going to happen in light of her last minute heroics. The pressure had definitely shifted to Suki as the next best lynch target, and Heist had to jump in and do his best to abate the movement to his scumbuddy.
Lastly, you say his Superouman vote was only in place until a Suki majority was possible. This would be fine if he had switched to Suki, but he didn't. He switched to the case with the 3rd most number of votes. Again, the only explanation I can find for this is to stop the lynch on Suki.
The contradiction you bring up is interesting, and I had missed it. It makes it seem more likely that his thoughts on Suki being town were just posturing, considering how quickly he abandons the thought.
|
|
|
Vivix, did you go through Golden's filter from Newbie Mini XIV? He was town in that game, I think it could offer some insight.
I'm not saying it should sway you one way or another, just a suggestion. I need to have a look myself.
|
|
|
GG mafia. Xatalos, you played a pretty good scum this game. Losing a teammate on day 1 left you some long odds.
|
I gotta say, getting shot on N1 really sucks. I was bouncing off the walls anxiously the whole game.
|
And yes, thanks for hosting Toad!
|
On June 09 2012 08:39 ShiaoPi wrote:Just a general question was heist that obvious as scum? I feel really bad for having defended him all day 
I had my eye on him, and wanted to see what he did around lynch time. His tunneling of Unforgiven was all the confirmation I needed for my read.
In some coaching PM's, Marvellosity mentioned to me that it was more likely that people would be confused by his eventual vote on suki, so I don't think you should be tarred and feathered or anything ;D
Also I want to take the time to say a BIG thank you to both Marvellosity and Mementoss for their helpful coaching. It is such a wonderful resource, and I encourage everyone to make use of it if you play in further newbie games.
|
On June 09 2012 08:55 Xatalos wrote:
Haha, I'm surprised the ObsQT didn't figure me out until the very end. It was pretty obvious though after I shot Unforgiven_ve...
I had you figured out sooner than that ;D
Here's a PM to Marvel:
To: marvellosity [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Newbie Mini XV
Date: 6/8/12 09:32
I must confess I as a spectator I haven't been as studious.
Austin- I'm fairly certain he is town, based on ange's actions against suki. Plus he could have caused a no-lynch day 3 without much effort or risk, but chose not to. Must be town.
Milton- I think he is town as well. I've seen him play scum and this doesn't look like that. He has made a case on Ange that was not without sound reasoning at the time. He pursued Heist when he could have just as easily blended in on another target if he was scum.
Unforgiven- I am perplexed. He has reduced himself to insulting people and just giving orders like 'do this, do that.' If he is scum, he bussed both of his teammates (very unlikely). What's more, he was the first guy to attack suki. Despite his confusing play, I think he must be town.
That leaves ShiaoPi and Xatalos.
The obvious answer is ShiaoPi based on how he refused to vote for heist. Also, he replaced Golden, who weakly tunneled someone who I read as strong town. Making a case on Vivax is easy peasy for scum, because he was playing recklessly/aggressively. That said, he really was trying to hunt scum. He made reads and pursued them, though his conclusions always appeared wrong to me. He has been constant and steadfast in his defense of heist, which would be REALLY odd if they were scum teammates. My conclusion here is that he is a misguided townie. I've also seen his townie play, and this looks pretty similar.
I think the last scum is Xatalos. I think he wisely bussed heist, and got some mad townie cred for doing so. With people like Unforgiven being generally confusing and anti-town, and ShiaoPi strongly defending a guy who just flipped scum, he can bus heist and watch while those two get lynched next. He was the last to vote for suki, and was, like heist, pushing Unforgiven to suck votes away from suki on day 1.
His direct interactions with heist are also strange. He votes for him on the day vivax is going to be lynched, but votes vivax in the end. He gets town cred for voting heist when he eventually flipped scum, and doesn't get a lot of blame for lynching vivax since he was a driving force for it. This is an excellent bus, he doesn't hurt his teammate too badly and also helps himself a lot. Also, over the course of the game he was posting a lot of non-content content. His only real scum hunt was Unforgiven...another very easy case to make with the language barrier and his confusing posts.
so yea, I'm going with Xatalos
|
Suki,
It's interesting I didn't indict Xatalos for the same reason I did Heist. I think it was probably because he was attacking Unforgiven along with me, and as sciberbia said, his filter was looking pretty town.
Something else important is the danger of making connection assumptions before a flip. I think I auto cleared Xatalos based on my suspicion of heist, because no two scum are going to tunnel the same target to stop their scumbuddy from being lynched, right? And again, he was also attacking my target at the time.
Ironic that Xatalos even cautioned against connection assumptions on day 1. Good advice! Wish I had remembered.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
