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On June 08 2012 04:00 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Shiaopi, change your vote for heist too plz. Give me good reasons to do this | ||
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Seriously why don't you just put some effort behind it instead of just saying "I'm right, yay me!" | ||
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On June 08 2012 05:50 Miltonkram wrote: @ ShiaoPi Why not? Lynch all lurkers is a policy. The only reason I can see is that you're afraid of how he'll flip. On June 08 2012 05:47 ShiaoPi wrote: And if we want to shot into the dark (aka the lurkers) go with eishi...he was soft-defended by suki and has been lurking all game long. Seriously... | ||
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heist: unforgiven, Xatalos, MIltonkram (3) Xatalos: ShiaoPi (1) unforgiven: austin, heist (2) Am I correct? Still a sucky no-lynch -.- | ||
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Well whatever I say I am probably going to get lynched by you guys right? :D | ||
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On June 08 2012 07:16 Xatalos wrote: Really, you didn't expect that...? I'm happy austinmcc finally came to his senses. It would have been pretty much GG if we had a no-lynch. Now we're very close to victory instead. Yes, in fact I did not expect heist to flip red... But as one says hindsight is always 100/100 | ||
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On June 08 2012 07:40 Xatalos wrote: Just before leaving: why austinmcc / me instead of ShiaoPi? Lol? I don't see why you would make that statement as either town or Mafia. Your play is just too confusing to think about. We both ensured the lynch (austinmcc at the last minute, but whatever, he got the job done) while ShiaoPi was very close to success with saving heist. I can't see how he would honestly see heist as town after all this, even advocating a NO-LYNCH of all things to save him... He must be Mafia or this game doesn't make any sense. Where the hell did I advocate a no-lynch? I said given austins scenario a no-lynch would have been preferable. I was trying to get you lynched xatalos not trying to go for no-lynch. I can understand your suspicions on me now for defending heist that much, but well all I can say to that in regards is my read on him was wrong :D | ||
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On June 08 2012 08:43 Unforgiven_ve wrote: The thing is...Shaopi defending heist so badly just shows a super bad mafia play, why whould he be so evident? TELL ME SHAOPI WRRYYYYYYYY I thought heist was town and xatalos scum, therefore my logic was xatalos is trying to mislynch heist. Simple isn't it? And for my quotes regarding lynches/no-lynch please keep them in context. I was not going to move my vote today because the other options heist and you did not convince me. The Vivax mess was a whole other thing. But yeah, you'll lynch me either way or at least Xatalos will make you all lynch me  Off to bed now. | ||
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I AM NOT MAFIA To explain my actions in day 2+3: I have a pretty high scum read on Xatalos (go reread my case for the details) and therefore what unfolded was that to me a highly possible scum player started to pressure one of my townreads (heist). Reasons for my townread have been given galore, maybe they look ridiculous given the flip now, but please consider them within the context without heist's flip. So I went pretty all out in my defense of him since had we mislynched we would have lost the game by now. (3 Town - 2 Scum, Nightkill still incoming). I look entirely stupid now and mafia are probably laughing their ass off because of me but I want to stress the fact that being wrong is not a scumtrait! As townie we lack the information of alignments, ask yourself could you have made the same misread on heist? @Milton: Then ask yourself why am I not conceding if I am scum? Please reread my filter from a town perspective not from a scum one with confirmation bias. Go through my cases and posts, judge them on their own not based on the current situation. What I want you to consider: Lynch Xatalos On June 07 2012 21:34 ShiaoPi wrote: My case on Xatalos: I'll be going through his play chronologically: Day 1: I already stated his "filler/moderating" content so I'll just give you a quote as example: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 21:32 Xatalos wrote: s0Lstice, I'm impressed with your recent posts (especially compared to your earlier posts). Keep up the good work. Unforgiven_ve, I'm still waiting for you to post something useful. Same with Superouman. Ange777, Suki, you two need to step up and do something. Your filters are pretty much empty. Cattivik, Eishi_Ki, could you two look outside of each other and tell some other Mafia reads? It's distractive to get succumbed into a duel, especially this early. One of you might be Mafia (probably not both), but even so, it's more useful to not just tunnel one player. sciberbia, Heist, O.Golden_ne, I also want to hear some more from you. His first meaningful action on Day 1 is a vote on Unforgiven, who did seem and still seems like a wildcard in regards of his posting habits. It is an easy action to take, since unforgiven's play is erratic and at day 1 he did not yet have some credibility by pushing the lynch on suki. He drops his suspicions as soon as unforgiven makes a reasonable defense. Could be a sign of townie but also of scum who decides that unforgiven is too hard to push as mislynch. His next vote is on ange777: I bolded the parts which seem important to me. -His post was still 9 hours away from deadline, a reasonable amount of time so there was no need to hastily consolidate on a lynchcandidate. -He gives no other reasons to vote ange besides sheeping MIlton's post (admittedly there was still not much to make off, but the sheeping is important) -A soft defense of suki, who is, just as a reminder, confirmed scum. After Ange posts her case on suki, Xatalos responds the following: He keeps up a defense on suki and keeps some suspicion on unforgiven. Next up is his voteswitch from ange to Unforgiven: Drops all suspicions against ange and just goes after unforgiven after the (at that moment) most outspoken townie-seeming person drops a FOS on him. It seems to me like an active attempt to deflect towns attention away from suki, especially as he keeps soft-defending suki. He keeps lobbying for a unforgiven lynch although most of the people seem to jump on the suki-train instead. This post strikes me as important: He says he does not want an active townie lynch. But suki is not really an active townie at that moment especially in comparison to unforgiven who was online and posting all the time leading up to the lynch. In my last post I already outlined the switch from unforgiven to ange, but as it is really important I'll quote it again: By that time suki is already a goner as heist has already swapped his vote. There is no need for Xatalos to switch, besides trying to be on the "right" side of a lynch. Of note is that he is the very last one to switch his vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night 1 The only remarkable post is this one: He starts throwing suspicion towards heist after solstice points him out. No original case with strong backing until now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day 2 He begins the day by posting a massive list of all players, which with closer inspection is just a summary of events. With two notable exceptions, a slight suspicion of MIlton and adding his vote onto heist. He is (again!) sheeping reasons outlined by others. There is close to zero input from him in this list and following vote on heist. The single thing he adds (the bussing comment) can be read either way and is a really weak argument. This gets reinforced by his following post in regards to heist's answer: He backs off his suspicions slightly and then just sheeps solstice's reasons. He also states that he wants to stick with his vote if heist does nothing to convince him otherwise. One can assume that he still has some strong conviction that heist is mafia. But how does this post feature in it then? I post a defense of heist and points on Vivax and Xatalos just goes with the current flow of the thread (again) and now suddenly seems willing to switch on Vivax. Maybe because he knows that neither heist or Vivax are scum? Where did his conviction about heist go? He then proceeds to switch his vote from heist to Vivax with the following: His switch seems to be well reasoned with his list of 4 points, but these things were all mentioned already by several others. How come that Xatalos just never seems to find some original strong evidence against his lynch targets? Quite an interesting thing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night 2 He again posts a giant list of summaries, this time including me in his list of suspects (besides heist). His strongest argument is Golden's post in regards to suki. His other arguments were pretty weak. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day 3 He immediately drops the vote on heist. As in defense to Milton's suspicions he keeps up this single line of defense against his filler/wishy-washy. I am asking you how big should the metagame with a sample size of 1 count in regards to townieness/scumminess? What I am seeing from Xatalos is non-comittal play, filler content, attempts to seem contributing (look at his lists) and always sheeping reasons others have brought up. So I strongly believe Xatalos to be mafia. ##Vote: Xatalos And for the lazy ones: On June 08 2012 03:49 ShiaoPi wrote: My case on Xatalos in short: -Not much content despite being pretty active in thread -Wants to look contributing (lists) but actually does not much. -Easily swayed from his own opinion -Soft-defense of suki during the d1-lynch and trying to deflect attention onto unforgiven -Always going with the flow of the thread, never going against it. What lends further credibility to this is that heist votes on unforgiven instead of Xatalos: + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2012 06:08 heist wrote: Vivax is town.  OK I can expect the backlash. But I think problem here is everyone is just trying to attribute the most scummy motivations to every action that I've been doing and ignoring everything that can't possibly construed as scum. Same to ShiaoPi, literally just for association with me. @Miltonkran: I don't think we should be policy lurker lynching anyone today. Today's lynch is way too crucial to have a mislynch on Eishi whose suspicions rest mainly on lurking, which at this point is a nulltell. And there's no way I'm voting for myself. (I don't understand you Vivax). It may be my point of view, but I think it's safe to say that mafia will be trying their hardest to get me lynched today. And from that point of view, my main suspicions are still going to rest on Unforgiven_ve. His unfounded accusations against Ange77 linking her and Suki, his quick bandwagon after ONE single off-hand comment from Solstice. Do you guys realize where all the accusations against me started? From this comment by Solstice: Solstice later backed up his accusation in his night post, but Unforgiven_ve, you basically hitch a ride on this bandwagon really quickly and without good reasoning of your own. You have continued to do no real analysis of me and instead state your reasoning as "it's obvious" and the rest just goading everyone else to mindlessly follow your example. ##Vote: Unforgiven_ve The remaining scum is either Miltonkram or Xatalos. And seriously I am not the only one suspicious of him: + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2012 05:41 Miltonkram wrote: @ ShiaoPi We don't need to lose more players than we have to today. I was kind of waiting to see how heist flips to finish my speculations on both you and Xatalos. You've made a good case against him, but I'm sticking with heist. Heist has been way more active than Eishi. His disappearance seems really suspicious, doesn't it? Of the two I think heist is way more likely to get in here and ninja vote. & + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2012 03:58 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Lol austin, you are surpasing yourself at making lame and mistaken acussations. Vote for heist, then vote for Xatalos and we will win. trust me. The reason my lasts post are so short is because im posting from my phone. & + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2012 04:20 austinmcc wrote: -snipped-- Suspecting Xatalos: Your filter is baaaaaaad on that count Xatalos. I haven't checked old game yet. But you're constantly moderating. Constantly asking people for thoughts, giving someone a gold star for a good post. It looked bad to me as well, before I really read through you and Shiao's stuff today. So again, I saw the same thing, not finding it scummy. sciberbia's points were mostly the same - the suki defense, the vivax vote/doubts, the defense of heist. Not really finding ShiaoPi scummy right now. Again, I wasted too much time this game day, so I'm going ahead and posting these two. Post on the case against xatalos coming soon. For sure it is risky to bus your teammate that hard and get him lynched but look at the following situation: We lose one of us tonight, you mislynch me day 4 (and I know I will flip town) and suddenly we lost the game as we head into night 4 with 2 Town vs. 1 Scum. It is the ideal situation for the scumteam that I went bonkers on my defense of heist, but I am doing my best to remedy it. | ||
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