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On June 02 2012 05:27 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
im not a fan of this, but im gonna do it...
TOWN please, VOTE FOR SUKI, im pretty sure he is mafia!! I bet he is confortably sitting waiting for Ange777 to get lynched or a No Lynch at best.
Xatalos, if you arent mafia, please do this, a vigi can check me at night (if mafia dont kill me before)
I want a Mafia/lurker/distraction lynch instead of a no-lynch, but I don't want an active townie lynch. I'm no longer willing to lynch Ange777 and still not willing to lynch Suki. This is a serious dilemma though, since time is running out and this vote switch gained momentum fast. Mafia are probably laughing and manipulating this lynch as they please. How much time is left? If there is absolutely no other option, I might have to vote Suki to to disrupt a no-lynch, but I sure hope it doesn't come to that.
Everyone, look at Unforgiven_ve's filter and tell me there's a town motivation behind his play. I can see one for Suki (including his move to ensure the lynch on Ange777 while he still looked like a good lynch) but not for Unforgiven_ve. I hope there's still time to make the correct lynch. I'll be reading his filter to see something that hasn't already been said by me, Ange777 or anyone else.
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On June 02 2012 05:45 Unforgiven_ve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You start going off on Ange77 for "siding with you too strongly"? I think you are taking bandwaggoning a bit too far. She had her own analysis. My exacts words were " I forgot to put this in my last post, i also, dont like how Ange sided by me so strongly. That REALLY raised my eyebrown when i read it." My one and onyl target has been suki, saying that thing about IF Ange777 turns red was just a random thought, a possibility we cannot discard, dont you think? And i dont understand what are you saying here, please post what i said or ask me/show me if i wrote something weird to your eyes Show nested quote +You explicitly state that you are going to disregard Solstice and don't bother to defend yourself.
You are implying that red Ange77 or a red Suki implies a connection. What connection? That if one is red, it's likely the other is as well? I don't understand what you are saying.
About Solstice, this is your exact quote
Some tother time would say you are not good at reading and throw a light insult ;D but at this point of the game i (think?) know is me not knowing how to make a proper post. Im not good at writing long posts thats why i try to resume and point to the precise stuff i find scummy. Suki voted for Ange77 to enforce a day 1 lynch especially since YOU had only a single vote.
I'll try to paraphrase your words: "I don't have time to insult you right now but if I did, I would say you aren't good at reading (an insult in itself). I'm not very good at writing so I try to keep it short and simple." You don't address him at all. Just make excuses.
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Votecount so far:
Ange777 ( 4 ): Miltonkram, Vivax, Xatalos, Eishi_KI, Suki, s0Lstice,
Suki ( 4 ): unforgiven_ve, sciberbia, Ange777, Miltonkram
unforgiven_ve ( 2 ): Xatalos, Suki, Xatalos, heist
sciberbia ( 1 ): Miltonkram, Superouman,
Superouman ( 0 ): heist,
It's Day1. With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!
about 1 hour and 5 minutes left to vote, voting is mandatory!
People who haven't voted yet (3): O.Golden_ne,
Deadline is 22:30 GMT (+00:00)
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Also know that I will be voting for anyone except myself, should that help in achieving a majority. No matter what my opinion on the suspect is, the alignment flipping will unveil a crapload of information.
That said, if suki is gonna flip town, I really hope you will be able to recognize Ange777's motives behind her intention to push a case on him.
If suki flips mafia, then I was clearly wrong and might end up in trouble for defending him. That would also prove Ange777 innocent and everyone supporting the vote first (not the ones joining in when it was obvious).
However, do you notice how there's actually noone defending suki as of now except me?While there are a bunch of persons trying to deflect the attention from Ange777.
Really, it's disgusting to see how people turn from the lurker to the poster in the arc of three hours, whereas the poster has been active all the time.
And all of that happening in the last hours, making the outcome more uncertain, the mafia stronger.
And frankly, even if Ange777 would turn out to be town, all this last hour confusion is thanks to her and the decision to play games when she can't be properly active in them. You don't join a game of starcraft to go afk while you play chess either, then to come back asking others for help when the enemy is in your base, blaming one of the guys who was playing actively.
If you are town, you should be really aware of the bad impact you are having on this game. I would frankly still lynch you just for that.
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On June 02 2012 05:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 05:02 Ange777 wrote:
And Suki IS bandwagoning. He was the 5th player to vote for me, I can't see how this counts as "the first".
You are right, I've mistaken miltons' post for sukis. Still doesn't change my opinion after reading his filter. Going for the lynch as opposed to a NL will always look like a bandwagon. In fact, when there aren't any decisive reads, there has to be a bandwagon. But better that than more confusion. I've also said heist shouldn't try to disrupt the voting process against you, should it be one vote away from a majority, cause then we will end up without information. That doesn't mean I will accuse him for bandwagoning just cause he's the last to vote. There are no proper scumreads in his posts, one of the most early scumreads is inactivity, by which you shined. I've already compared the times of your posts in the other games with those in this one, and you didn't feel pressured to post in this one when you did in the other. You've either set your priorities in a way that it will make you look suspicious, or you are scum. Then this case on suki, it's just perfect for you, the contribution you are giving us concerns mostly him, and you also vote for him. Since there is already a fair amount of people suspecting him, it's just natural you're gonna try to spin momentum away from your towards his case. Also, you post a lot of small posts effectively diluting the thread. Look, I'm suspicious to a bunch of people already, I am pushing the accusation against you. Then why do you just pick sukis' case cause it's the case where you could obtain a majority and not get lynched? Cause it's gonna be too hard for you to push a case on me, heist and Golden tried, now they're silent when it won't work. Who defended you?Heist. Guess what, his first line regarding you was: 'Let us hear something from you. No pressure.' He's going pretty soft on you despite being a lurker.
You are really going all out in an attempt to distort me. My only real contact with Ange77 is telling her to stop lurking and asking her to start contributing. How could I possibly go hard on her if she's only been lurking. There's nothing to analyze. My first line, if you remember, was only halfway through day 1 and there's no real need to be screaming at people to be active.
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Guys I want your opinion on Unforgiven's recent behavior. We only have about an hour and I will not allow a NL.
I find the following suspicious: vivax, unforgiven_ve, superouman. I am comfortable with lynching any of them.
Ange77 and Suki both read town to me, although if they are the majority, I am siding toward a Suki lynch.
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm not very good at writing so I try to keep it short and simple.
pretty much you said it. Thats my response, my accusation to suki was 4 points long and i tried to make it clear, if thats not enough for him, then what more can i say?
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change of plans, i have to go, i will say it again. VOTE FOR SUKI PLEASE!
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Vivax (Cattivik), you're clearly online but your vote is useless right now. I ask you to reconsider Ange777 as your Mafia pick and look more carefully at Unforgiven_ve.
Ange777, I also ask you to look at Unforgiven_ve's filter again. I'm still leaning town on Suki and would hate to lynch a townie just to gain some information.
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On June 02 2012 06:05 Unforgiven_ve wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I'm not very good at writing so I try to keep it short and simple. pretty much you said it. Thats my response, my accusation to suki was 4 points long and i tried to make it clear, if thats not enough for him, then what more can i say? -------------------------------- change of plans, i have to go, i will say it again. VOTE FOR SUKI PLEASE!
He's challenging your 4 points. But your response to the criticism is oh well... best i can do. If that's not a weak stance, I don't know what is.
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This is a blatantly ridiculous thing to do, yet it looks like I won't be able to push the case against Ange777.
To me, it looks like people go extra soft on her to whiteknight.
You better pray suki is not gonna flip town, which i believe he will.
##unvote Ange777
##vote suki
Ready to vote for Ange777 again once there is the prospect of a majority.
Also, remember that unforgiven_ve was the first to push the case against suki. That will reveal a lot about his alignment too.
OH, and Ange777 is actually following that case while suspecting unforgiven at the same time.
Why exactly would you suspect someone of being mafia if he was the first pushing the case against someone you believe is mafia?
Looks like we have a scumtell.
The damn deadline is getting close.
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On June 02 2012 05:55 Vivax wrote:
Also know that I will be voting for anyone except myself, should that help in achieving a majority. No matter what my opinion on the suspect is, the alignment flipping will unveil a crapload of information.
That said, if suki is gonna flip town, I really hope you will be able to recognize Ange777's motives behind her intention to push a case on him.
My intention? Lynch scummy players.
If suki flips mafia, then I was clearly wrong and might end up in trouble for defending him. That would also prove Ange777 innocent and everyone supporting the vote first (not the ones joining in when it was obvious).
I thought you are pretty sure of him being town ...
On June 02 2012 04:53 Vivax wrote:
I just went through sukis' filter, and I would STRONGLY consider him to be town.
However, do you notice how there's actually noone defending suki as of now except me?While there are a bunch of persons trying to deflect the attention from Ange777. Really, it's disgusting to see how people turn from the lurker to the poster in the arc of three hours, whereas the poster has been active all the time.
And all of that happening in the last hours, making the outcome more uncertain, the mafia stronger.
Would you mind explaining who is deflecting attention away from me? I think I made a pretty good case and took a clear stance in my gameplay, that is why people are switching their votes off of me and start voting Suki or Unforgiven. Yes, Suki was active for a far longer way than me but activity alone should not be a reason to not suspect someone or not lynch someone.
And frankly, even if Ange777 would turn out to be town, all this last hour confusion is thanks to her and the decision to play games when she can't be properly active in them. You don't join a game of starcraft to go afk while you play chess either, then to come back asking others for help when the enemy is in your base, blaming one of the guys who was playing actively.
If you are town, you should be really aware of the bad impact you are having on this game. I would frankly still lynch you just for that.
I apologize for my absence. I am really sorry and I know that this impacts the game poorly and hurts the fun of playing Mafia. But this is no reason to lynch me. I am here and posting right now. Are you saying you would rather lynch me even if I am town than keep me alive?
All in all I feel you don't care to comment on my posts at all. You again only try to discredit me and blame my lack of posting. It does get old after a while .... are you running out of reasons to defend Suki, your scum buddy?
##FoS Vivax
And no, I don't give random FoS onto players who accuse me. I try to calmly explain my reasoning and talk to Vivax, but somehow he always dodges my concerns and has never given any defense for Suki's play.
One little thing to add: Without me spamming the thread in the last few hours, even if you guys lynched me you would not have gained any information at all. Vivax, you should be happy that I started this discussion - as long as we do manage to lynch someone today of course.
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On June 02 2012 06:14 Vivax wrote:
This is a blatantly ridiculous thing to do, yet it looks like I won't be able to push the case against Ange777.
To me, it looks like people go extra soft on her to whiteknight.
You better pray suki is not gonna flip town, which i believe he will.
##unvote Ange777
##vote suki
Ready to vote for Ange777 again once there is the prospect of a majority.
Also, remember that unforgiven_ve was the first to push the case against suki. That will reveal a lot about his alignment too.
OH, and Ange777 is actually following that case while suspecting unforgiven at the same time.
Why exactly would you suspect someone of being mafia if he was the first pushing the case against someone you believe is mafia?
Looks like we have a scumtell.
The damn deadline is getting close.
If it's blatantly rediculous, DO NOT DO IT. You are almost confident suki is town, why are you placing your vote on him??? We still have a bit of time, closer to an hour. Now it just looks like you are bussing.
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On June 02 2012 06:09 Xatalos wrote:
Ange777, I also ask you to look at Unforgiven_ve's filter again. I'm still leaning town on Suki and would hate to lynch a townie just to gain some information.
I would consolidate on a Unforgiven lynch as I have posted my concerns about his recent play. Still I believe Suki to be more scummy.
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Xatalos, please think this. Im risking my neck here! im goin all-in for suki, that would be a ridiculous way of play for a mafia dont you think? Its something pretty obvious, at least for me, im convinced he is mafia and when his alignment is revealed + the mafia kill at night, we will have a shitload of information, dont you think?
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On June 02 2012 06:14 Vivax wrote:
Also, remember that unforgiven_ve was the first to push the case against suki. That will reveal a lot about his alignment too.
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need i say more?
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On June 02 2012 06:19 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
Xatalos, please think this. Im risking my neck here! im goin all-in for suki, that would be a ridiculous way of play for a mafia dont you think? Its something pretty obvious, at least for me, im convinced he is mafia and when his alignment is revealed + the mafia kill at night, we will have a shitload of information, dont you think?
Are you following what's been happening and the rapid bandwagon on Suki? Sticking your neck out by siding with the majority? I'm gonna call you out. And I hope you keep talking. It's just making me more convinced.
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On June 02 2012 06:14 Vivax wrote:
This is a blatantly ridiculous thing to do, yet it looks like I won't be able to push the case against Ange777.
To me, it looks like people go extra soft on her to whiteknight.
You better pray suki is not gonna flip town, which i believe he will.
##unvote Ange777
##vote suki
Ready to vote for Ange777 again once there is the prospect of a majority.
Also, remember that unforgiven_ve was the first to push the case against suki. That will reveal a lot about his alignment too.
OH, and Ange777 is actually following that case while suspecting unforgiven at the same time.
Why exactly would you suspect someone of being mafia if he was the first pushing the case against someone you believe is mafia?
Looks like we have a scumtell.
The damn deadline is getting close.
What exactly is your so-called scumtell? That I side with Unforgiven on the case against Suki? If you read correctly, I changed my opinion on Unforgiven after his recent posts and only after my case on Suki.
I don't understand the problem.
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Just a mention: No need to make it "##FoS" all the time, just use FoS. I'm searching for "##" when doing the votecounts and I always see those foses that way lol
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EBWOP:
Just because two people push scum cases against each other does not mean that they can't both be scum distancing themselves from each other. Although I highly doubt that both Suki and Unforgiven are scum.
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Can we have a votecount please Toad?
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