EPTOn June 01 2012 11:12 Mattchew wrote:
"guys, you can't think im scum cause a confirmed townie called me scum" - Kitaman27
"guys, you can't think im scum cause a confirmed townie called me scum" - Kitaman27
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/x1axb.jpg) It's time we take a look at our mayor Mr. Wiggles. While Wiggles was voted into the leader position, he has displayed little interest in leading the town the first two cycles. While individuals such as myself and Meapak have put in effort to push our prefered lynch candidates, Wiggles has sat in the background jumping on others cases. His posts have been lengthy and well-written, but they are also incredibly safe. In his initial campaign post, Wiggles announces that he is running for office, but prefers to be elected vice-leader. He explains how the pardoner is the more important of the two roles and that he wants it for himself because he knows his own alignment. With the voting seperated by only a couple of individuals, he easily could have ensured that he obtained the pardoner role with a simple request in the thread to rearrange a few votes. However, his only legitimate opponent, EchelonTee, has expressed suspicion of Zealos and a strong anti-Zealos movement has started to gain strength hours before the deadline. Rather than trusting the lynch in EchelonTee's hands and securing the pardoner position, which his campaign was based upon, he drops his initial plan and ensures himself that he is elected mayor. While he does vote for EchelonTee himself, he only does so with less than an hour remaining into the day, where his victory is nearly certain. During the entire day one cycle, Zealos never considers or even references Wiggles as mayor. As one of the two main candidates, why wouldn't he take a moment to comment on his candidacy? Between Wiggles two day one lynch candidates, we have two townies. While being wrong isn't necessarily scummy, his case against Sinensis took advantage of a poor day one plan, and made it appear as if he was pushing a scummy agenda. Furthermore, he fails to address any of the concerns against his case for why Sinensis would be a poor day one lynch. Day two is where Wiggle's play really starts to drop off. Rather than actively perticipating in discussion, he jumps on 2-post Gambit, without providing any reasoning, except there was a solid case. Only after questioned, does he actually provide a case for his vote. In addition, he makes the following statement about VE: On May 31 2012 03:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm going to say right off the bat that I disagree with the VE case. He's one of my town-reads. I don't see why him opposing Toad being elected into office makes him scum. As well, I don't really see why what he's posting makes him scum. While he explains that his opinion on VE has changed after his flip-flopping on the lynch and his late vote switch, he never addresses why the town-tells he found on day one no longer apply. In addition, he only supports the VE lynch after it has gained a large amount of support. While his mayoral double vote is necessary to ensure the mislynch, he makes sure to remind the town that he had a town read on VE initially: On June 01 2012 01:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I guess I was wrong about VE being town, as his play today has shown. =/ Wiggles completely drops his prefered lynch, gambit, without any push. Instead, he jumps on his second lynch bandwagon based on a case he didn't contribute to. Throughout the game, Wiggles has shown little signs of actual scum hunting. He has shared his opinion on occassion, but lacks the assertive attitude towards pushing a pro-town agenda that I would expect, which makes me believe he is scum. There are a large number of people who seem to agree that Wiggles is mafia, but never has he been considered for an actual candidate. ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles | ||
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On June 02 2012 12:09 EchelonTee wrote: Kita what you think of a g32 lynch? It seems like you're implying that wiggles case on him was bad Gambit isn't playing this game. At this point, I'd like him to do a "share my opinion on every player in the game" type post or something, so at least we have something to go by. I couldn't say he was scum or town with any confidence right now. | ||
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On June 02 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote: The case is clear against you. You pushed a VE lynch and then let MZ railroad it through. You wre apparently in the thread all day but hardly contributed. Well it's not clear to me. I can't defend myself against something that isn't written. I pushed a VE lynch, which the majority of the players in the game found perfectly reasonable. Why does whether or not Meapak also posted a case have any impact on my alignment? Mine came first and my prefered lynch target was pushed through, what else was there to contribute? On June 02 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote: Then you blame VE for distracting you from zealos? Remind me to include my sarcasm tag next time. | ||
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On June 02 2012 13:43 Kenpachi wrote: Kita is pretty calm for someone about to die. he just chainsawed Wiggles to try to defend himself in the most calm manner possible. and guess what, that is a scumtell. I'm guilty if I present a case against someone. I'm guilty if I don't? Is that how it works? Why shouldn't I be calm? I'll logically respond to anything that is brought up against me. Does no-one wish to comment on Mr.Wiggles? On June 02 2012 13:45 Kenpachi wrote: you think about defense but you do not think about offense I think Kenpachi has turned himself into a fortune cookie. | ||
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On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: I have been over this but essentially it seemed like Kita was more concerned about a lyncher than scum. The lyncher would be taking a huge risk to push himself into the mayor role even more so if they do not know their target. Well I guess we disagree. I know I would have 100% gone all out to get elected mayor as a lyncher or assassin and I felt my plan increased our chances of getting an anti-town player into office. On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: - It created a huge distraction from what should have been the real focus of day 1, making sure that TOWN get into the power roles. By focusing on a minor role, he distracted us from our main goal. Do I need to remind you guys that I was the only person to support the claimed mason getting one of these power roles as pardoner? Quite contradictory. On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: - it creates a climate of fear. Doom shall come to you all if you vote for me. DOOOOOM I SAY! On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: 2.Plants suspicion that Toad is a lyncher Am I planting supsicion or am I truly suspicious? I didn't say Toad was a lyncher. I said Toad was a lyncher or a mason. Therefore I proposed a plan that benefited town in either situation, allowing us to guartee a non-scum was elected as pardoner. One of the main points I had against VE, was that he openly opposed this plan for poor reasons, which undoubtedly was beneficial for town. On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: I even prodded Kita about letting other do his dirty work but he just laughed it off. If he was so sure about VE why wasn't he the one pushing the wagon. How wasn't I pushing the wagon? I was the first person to write up my case, I was the first to vote for my target, and I encouraged other people to vote for my target. MZ also producing a case doesn't have any impact on my alignment. I still don't understand what you are talking about here. What is more scummy, me pushing a lynch on my prefered lynch target? Or Wiggles jumping in at the end of the day to vote for Kita's prefered lynch target over his own? On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: TLDR Kita created an atmosphere of fear that distracted town from scumhunting. He used the lyncher to subtly discredit Toad and then used Toad's ability to prove himself, to discredit VE. He posted a case on VE that boiled down to VE being unsure of his reads and let others railroad it home. kitaman27 must swing. No, the players who have put absolutely no effort into this game have created an atmosphere that has made scumhunting difficult. While my case against VE may have been incorrect, at least I'm pushing my prefered lynch, which is something you can't say for nearly everyone else in this game. On June 02 2012 21:27 wherebugsgo wrote: Man lynching for info is so dumb If kita flips town then we'll be in trouble. So where do you stand bugs? Why is the day a quarter of the way over with only 2 posts of value? Nobody has an opininon other than "lol lynch kita"? Why are players like Hassybaby getting away with hardcore lurking? | ||
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On June 03 2012 04:28 Hassybaby wrote: Well I'm here now kita if you wanna chat about the game. Why is it day three and you haven't written a case against anyone this game? And why is the thread so silent -_- | ||
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On June 03 2012 04:54 Hassybaby wrote: Mostly because the main discussions happened during Day 1 and Night 1, and i was out for a lot of that, either feeling unwell or preparing for my trip. If you have any specific person that I should have a look at besides they main candidates then I'll happily do that. Also I suck at writing full cases Why should I have to tell you who to look at? Do you not have anyone you're supsicious of? I'd much rather have you write a case that sucks, then no case at all  | ||
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On June 03 2012 10:11 Toadesstern wrote: both will flip mafia, so who cares, we need to speed this cycle up :D Right, who cares about a third mislynch. Lets speed this along. I'm sad Meapak has abandoned the game For someone who has apparently taken a hit, bugs hasn't done anything townie this game. Where you at? | ||
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On June 03 2012 12:21 jaj22 wrote: I guess I'll post my stuff on Kita even though I'm still not sure whether to vote him over Gambit: The Zealos connection: This bit's mostly a rehash of an earlier post of mine. Two points here: Firstly, Kita acknowledges the breadcrumb, which would explain why VE was roleblocked. Secondly, Kita never actually responds. He takes the time to dig up an upside down exclamation mark, but he doesn't spend the two minutes it takes to read Zealos's filter? Not much excuse here. Right, I saw that VE posted an upside down question mark, SO I ROLEBLOCKED HIM KNOWING HE MUST BE A VIG. :p I read zealos's filter and commented later, although I essentially acknowledged that he was a lurker without having much of a read. On June 03 2012 12:21 jaj22 wrote: Midway through day 2, Kita's sole comment about Zealos until his post-lynch troll. Note also the poke at Marvellosity, who had a strong meta-read on Zealos after nailing him in MTG. Next one spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote: Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target. I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order. VisceraEyes: case stated earlier sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader strongandbig: stated ealier Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy. I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots. Manason GambitX32 Cwave Hassybaby Kenpachi phagga Hyaach sToFu Kita manages to make a scum + lurker list that doesn't include Zealos. Funny, given that he previously listed Zealos as a lynch candidate who needs to post more. Actually I'm not sure how he made this mistake even as scum. Just slipped my mind. Nothing really to say here. It's not like omitting his name would suddenly make everyone forget about him in order to protect my scumbuddy. As for the gambit lynch, as he has been completly absent two days in a row, I'd be willing to support a lynch against him if nobody was willing to go after Wiggles. | ||
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I'll swap over to Gambit since the last thing we need is a RoL 2.0, but I'd still like to hear thoughts about Wiggles, Hassybaby, sToFu, and Kenpachi. It's going to be incredibly disappointing if gambit was a townie who decided to simply evade the modkill requirements without posting for three cycles. Unfortunately, I have to head out in about a half an hour and may not be back until around seven. Don't mislynch me while I'm gone -_- | ||
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