EPTif its small-ish im in.
i have played mafia on a different forum before.
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if its small-ish im in. i have played mafia on a different forum before. | ||
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 /in im used to shorter days but im looking forward to see how this works out. | ||
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Where i come from 9ers are just 7/2 vanillas. And what is kp? | ||
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I guess im gonna get used to the slightly different terminologoy as the game stars. Im used to hunt werewolves  | ||
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The game starts in ~8 hours right? (02:00cet?) And i understand it correct that the lynch system is majority based? i.e. if the votecount is 3-3-2-1 on day1 there would be no lynch? | ||
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Im a townie <3 Since nothing has been posted yet a few words about me. Ive played a few games on a different forum, the rules are a bit different there but the game should stay the same. Im not a total scrub anymore, i think most of the time i know what im doing. | ||
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1.) dahdum 2.) Gummy 3.) AcesRequiem 4.) Matriarch 5.) DeMorcerf 6.) FirmTofu 7.) Clawtrocity 8.) paschl 9.) Ange777 And if anyone gets here and knows something about the forum: a) can i change the timezone? Having korean time makes no sense to me and is mindbogglingly annoying. b) is there a way to search a single thread? c) can you change the number of posts per page? Ive tried to find answers in the edit profile page but couldnt really get any help. | ||
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Sounds honest/happy to play and he makes a promise to keep giving notes. Once per page even. Since i think its hard to keep this up (to be clear, i dont think its possible to get the list in once per page) i think a scum would be unlikely to make the promise in the first time. So love is all around. | ||
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Youre right, i doubt there is gonna ba a framer/godfather. Both could very easily swing the small game and should create huge imbalances. A rolecop would be too strong. It gives the scum 2 chances per night to find the detective. Id suspect if there is a medic there should be a blocker. But i wouldnt be surprised at all if this is a standard 7 townie/2 scum setup with one detective. | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:44 Gummy wrote: I'm going to give paschl some scum points since, as I mentioned in the preface chatter, that basically everybody should play the strategy of being useful with nonzero probability. However, to presume that I am a Vanilla Townie is the least probable given a set of Bayesian priors, since townies have an optimal mixed strategy between being helpful and laying low. At worst you are scum trying to direct my attention away from you. At best, you have poorly laid out your train of deduction and given the few number of players we have and the utter lack of information regarding the number and composition of roles, such naivete is ample reason for me to cast my vote for you. Alas, nobody else has opened their mouths yet. Just to be clear, I am gambling on their not being a role blocker and there being a medic. I hope that by laying out notes I will be a sufficiently attractive target for the medic to save for the first 2 nights or so. I read your pregame posts, i just disagree. Being useful isnt something that can be defined for a mafia game. And telling townies to lay low creates an opportunity for the scum to lay low too. Laying low, i.e. making less posts is the easiest way to hide, especially for new scum. | ||
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Youre making the job easy for the scum. And you included the scum roles for "corresponding claims"? I hope someone signs up lol. | ||
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In the setup thread it lists the following possible lineups: " 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Sane Cop, Doctor. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Sane Cop, Jailkeeper. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Doctor, Jailkeeper. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 6 Vanilla Townies, Sane Cop. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 6 Vanilla Townies, Jailkeeper. 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 6 Vanilla Townies, Doctor." So i highly suspect this game uses one of the same systems. And no Gummy, you usually dont win if youre wrong. | ||
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Where i come from this claiming on day1 would be considered atrocious. | ||
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On May 01 2012 20:06 Gummy wrote: Yes. My questioning of Ange for her hesitation to roleclaim was disingenuous. So what were your intentions? | ||
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Please let me know when im being unclear, the games here seem to have a different atmosphere to what im used to. First off let me discuss the claiming going on. I know this is a newbie game and people want to play as fancy as possible. But keep in mind this is a team game, think your actions through. Everything has consequences. Im not gonna talk about it in detail though since where i come from its a big no-no. We shouldnt do the scums work unless its really important. As of right now my list looks like this: townies Gummy - aggro early but aorn i think his intentions are good. AcesRequiem - his posts about the claim seemed very townish for me. DeMorcerf - especially the last paragraph in his post shows a towny line of thinking neutral Clawtrocity - aorn both Claw/FirmTofu are neutral to me. FirmTofu Ange777 - neutral, maybe slightly leaning scum but its just early tone. Matriarch - basically nothing to go on but a slightly scumy opening scumy Dahdum - his first post is super vague, ill get into this next On May 01 2012 14:04 dahdum wrote: Hey all, great to get started. Here are my thoughts so far. Gummy - Seems like he knows a lot of strategy, so I’d like to hear why he’s claiming vanilla town on the first day. From what I’ve read that’s strange. If scum believes him, he increases chances of a power role dying. If he claims anything later on, he’s a liar and liars get lynched. He also requests a medic the first night (a waste on VT no?). Paschl - Gives townie points quickly to Gummy and spreads the love around. Maybe just a nice guy, but seems too eager. Agne777 - Apologizes for being bad, seems like a beginner and too defensive. Matriarch - Claims VT and wishes for active posters (but isn’t one of them). Would like to hear her full thoughts on things. Clawtrocity - Claiming medic right out of the gate doesn’t sound like mafia to me. FirmTofu - The question he asks sounds like a terrible scum trying to imply medic, so I’m not sure what to think (he can't be that bad). Need more posts. There is some sort of weirdness all over this post, i underlined some parts that sound particularly off. He is making a lot of backhanded general sounding reads and gets out of thread right afterwards. I smell mafioso meat! Im used to having a slightly "fluffy" atmosphere early in games. There is not much to talk about and even the weirdest conversations can be useful somewhere down the line. The more scums post the more chances they have to slip up. | ||
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On May 02 2012 03:08 Gummy wrote: So we have a lot of liars now? Sounds pretty scummy to me. Turning my words around against me isnt particularly towny. I was obviously making a general statement. | ||
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A lof of people are gonna make mistakes because theyre new to the game. Lynching suboptimal play in a newbie game makes 0 sense. I feel like my head just exploded. | ||
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If he puts this much effort into the game and puts himself out there like this as a mafia, respect. | ||
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On May 02 2012 22:54 Gummy wrote: Lots of stupid things are fun though. Some people even find things fun precisely because those things are stupid. More to the point, I feel that polls are a way of anonymously involving the input of nonplayer TL members and gives the game an illusion of interactivity that will draw more observers and garner more interest in future TLM games! It also kinda messes with the metagame since any interaction can have consequences ingame. I was actually surprised to see people not in the game posting itt. On May 02 2012 22:58 Gummy wrote: So what's the alternative? Voting people off via an arbitrary and provably exploitable strategy (LAL)? Its exploitable under optimal circumstances. This is a newbie game. Mafia is gonna be afraid to post, have a harder time reaching their goals since they have to lie every step of the way. They have to make up cases and most likely defend them. They have to think ahead on how their posting today influences them tomorrow. This isnt an easy job. And were here to shoot them if they screw up. I mean id like to give you a course on scumhunting but i dont think im experience enough to do it. Votecount AcesRequiem Ange777 Clawtrocity votes Gummy Dahdum DeMorcerf FirmTofu Gummy votes Clawtrocity Matriarch Paschl So its Gummy 1 Claw 1. Just wanted to put this out there since it gets real today (or tomorrow). Ill be back with a bigger post soon. Can the medic heal the same target twice in a row?. | ||
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towny DeMorcerf - towny. Gummy - i made this point in my last post but if he puts himself out there like this as a mafioso he deserves the spot on my list. Ange777 - latest post was extremely villagery. Both the line of thinking and him telling Gummy not to go after everyone for very little. (+ Show Spoiler + On May 02 2012 17:50 Ange777 wrote: If there can't be 2 medics, at least one of you is lying. I am somehow torn between Claw and Gummy. Claw I actually agree with DeMorcerfs LAL, so what struck me was this: Why are you already implying that (both of) you are lying? As of now, no one can prove the claims. Although you stated you don't like this specific tactic of early roleclaiming, why wouldn't you insist on being the medic and defend your role against other accusations? Is it because you know you are lying and the medic has to be someone else? You might confuse mafia with this move but you could be mafia youself confusing all of us townies. Gummy I don't like your aggressive way of playing, doubting every player based on very little and somehow changing your mind every minute. But your timing to claim medic and to suspect Claw got me thinking. Gummy immediately called Claw scum when Claw roleclaimed. There may not have been any good arguments why Claw should be scum at that time but if Gummy was sure about Claw lying that would be more than enough to doubt him. Only after rereading the filter I saw that Gummy already sliped a medic claim. Either it was a simple mistake him being the medic or a really well did move being scum to cast suspicion on Claw. FirmTofu - claimed detective on day1, think this trough. Does a scum claim detective on day1? It would surely come back to haunt him later. Id even argue about the usefulness of this when youre a vanilla. This combined with his posts having a sort of tonwish conspiricy feel to them he goes on my town list. neutral AcesRequiem - liked his first post, fell off after and hasnt been back yet. Clawtrocity - Im torn on claw. Some of his posts are weird. F.e. "If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him." (+ Show Spoiler + On May 01 2012 09:24 Clawtrocity wrote: I don't really understand the point behind forcing a role claim. Everyone will claim vanilla townie because that's the most common role and it's completely unprovable. It doesn't hide any roles because if everyone claims vanilla townie then everyone is up for attack. I'll go ahead and say that I don't like that strategy, but regardless I'll give actions a real role to claim. With the possibility of a jailkeeper or another Medic I'm fine in saying that I'm one of the medics. The best part is the Mafia won't attack me because they'll think I'm a vanilla townie trying to bite the bullet for the town. If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him. We really just need to keep the detective alive for as long as possible because with so many non-power roles we'll be powerless eventually. I'd be wary of Gummy for being so aggressive so early on. He's most likely trying to accuse other people so if anyone tries to point fingers at him he can claim that they're protecting the person he's pressuring. That's a pretty shady tatic and with his confindence in himself going to his head he might be trouble. scumy Matriarch - has barely posted. Only him making sense in his last post makes ne not want to lynch him today. Still want to see more. Dahdum - should be lynched. He still barely posted. Ive made my post about him earlier, and since then he added one post defending claw. I understand his reasoning but the whole post is evasive. Like he wants to distance himself from a claw lynch (+ Show Spoiler + On May 02 2012 12:06 dahdum wrote: I don't see the benefit in lynching Claw. a) If he's medic, we've screwed ourselves. b) If he's VT, we should have let scum waste a night on him. c) If he's scum, his doctor claim will get him lynched later (when a doctor dies or is confirmed). In any case, lynching him now doesn't provide us with information on anyone else. I have a similar point of view on FirmTofu, his claim seems very difficult to fake. Gummy, you're getting hard to follow for me. These two statements in particular, 3 minutes apart: If you get lynched or die, it will be difficult for us to analyze your reveal and play correctly. So, how do i do this? ##Vote: Dahdum The talk about blue roles should probably stop for today. Im not saying you shouldnt make cases based on those posts but the discussion of who might be what role shouldnt take up most of our time on day1. We will get a lot of additional informations on day2. For now lets focus on hunting scum. I know its day1 and hard to find scum based on the low postcount but all we can do is use what we have. | ||
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You will still have peoples posts, the way they voted their conversations with eachother. Most importantly you know that the guy that got lynched was a towny and you can reevaluate. There is also going to be a mafia kill and we get to analyse it. And my reason isnt that he is useless, my reason is the way he wrote his posts. Im not the best tone reader out there but there is something off about him. Mafia is so much more than confirmed facts. Youre saying Clwa lied, well you lied too. You claimed vanilla towny early itt. And you even defended your lie itt. Him pointing this out is more than reasonable. On May 03 2012 00:11 Gummy wrote: To make my case a little bit stronger.... I WILL be killed tonight. I have made my power role clear and Mafia will be INSANE not to kill me given that I cannot save myself and nobody has roleclaimed a jailkeeper. You MUST vote clawtrocity or we will be in EXACTLY the same place as we are right now, only down one and 6/7ths of a townie only up (2/8=)1/4th of a mafia in expectation, since a vote for anybody else is essentially a shot in the dark at this point. Any vote not directed toward clawtrocity is a vote against the town. Seeing as I'm dead anyway, it would be fair to say that you are either with me or against me. Make my sacrifice worth it How many games have you played? For what its worth, in most of my games there were little to no claims on day1, and most claims that got made on day1 were made up and werent killed. A blue player will be intuitively scared to come out with his role like this. He feels like its his duty to his team to do as much as possible. So i hope you understand that discussing the lynch with the implicating that youre the sure nightkill is not an option. | ||
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Just think this trough Gummy, how pro town is what youre doing right now? And in your posts you say that you hinted at being the medic before Claw claimed, could you point me to the post? And again, how many forum mafia games have you played before? I just want to know how experienced you are. | ||
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Especially outside of Gummy since you already made a post about him. | ||
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And fwiw this isnt posting much. I usually play 7/2 turbos and a day in those seldomly goes below 100 posts. Were here on a 2 day day1 and we made what? 200 posts? Ill get back itt soon, playing dota2 aorn. | ||
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On May 03 2012 06:29 Clawtrocity wrote: You don't have night actions to kill people. And I'm not trying to lynch him. A vote on him is nothing like pushing for a lynch. I.. but... wha..? huh. | ||
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All of them basically. I feel like im playing a solid day1 and all my posts get waved off as spam. Instead there is posts like this: On May 03 2012 06:45 Gummy wrote: I am not protecting you. I am trying to get you voted off. You are either scum or you are trolling this game in a manner that is directly hurting our town making you as bad as scum. I mean... yeah. | ||
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Why would you counterclaim to a random medic claim early on day1? Why would you force other people to claim their role before that if youre the medic? The only situation where i could understand and agree with your play is if there was a chance you peeked claw mafia. I also understand that a medic claim in a setup where the roles arent know is easy to make as a wolf. BUT it will get him into endless trouble later. A new villager is way more likely to come up with some plan that sounds good in his head and will go for it. And yes, i know that youre gonna respond to this with something about your theory being optimal and my arguments being based on nothing. But i have played a few games and ive never seen anything like what youre describing happen. | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:27 Gummy wrote: There is no belief for which that play would be optimal except if he was scum. Think it through and this conclusion is obvious. Drawing nightkills is actually a needed skill for a good villager. If the mafia thinks he is the medic and he draws a nightkill it wouldve been an awesome play. I dont think it should be done every day1 of every game but a post like this in a setup like this should be in a townys range. Even after reading his post again i dont see it any different. Especially the "If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him." is sooooooo too scumy to be scum. | ||
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Im not saying he cant be a mafia because he wrote it but who do you think is more afraid to cop hunt itt? A mafia actually posting a phrase like that is so mindboggling i cant see it happen except in the rarest of cases. | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:39 Gummy wrote: So you're saying that you can trick the detective into wasting a turn on you by pretending to be scum. This helps the town how? Youre not getting what i mean by too scumy to be scum. We have this thing on our forum where outed scum post lolcats when theyre getting lynched as to give nothing away. Its a tradition in the forum. Now someone goes ahead and makes his first post of the game a lolcat. What scum would ever do that? So you could assume he is a towny because a towny is more likely to just go ahead and post it. Similarly ive seen scum post screenshots of something with a seemingly random aim window called "scumchat" open. | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:55 Gummy wrote: You are appealing to an arbitrary psychological conjecture based on anecdotal evidence of people uniformly playing suboptimally. What are you trying to argue. That he is not scum, but that he is trolling? You could also call it experience but ok. And i said it before, he could be a towny just trying to take a bullet for a blue role. I said before that its an easy play for scum but the mafia doesnt know the roles either. So its not a bad play for a towny to claim medic on day1 in this setup. Especially since theyre not gonna find the detective on n1 (ok the could randomly hit him). Again, how many actual games of werewolf have you played before? | ||
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On May 03 2012 08:02 Gummy wrote: So now you don't think he's too scummy to be scum. wat? | ||
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I understand your theory i just dont think its applicable in a game with this much imperfect information. You just answered my post by turning words i never used around to jump at me. | ||
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pure spitevote. id rather kill the medic than go on and play day2 with an obnoxiously arogant, self centered game theory whiz who thinks he is a genius. | ||
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On May 03 2012 08:28 Gummy wrote: If you're going to vote for me, then do so not out of spite and make up a reason. People call me childish, but at every point in the game my actions have been consistent with the objective of the town's eventual victory. Don't blatantly make a vote for me and then admit to it being out of spite. no. i dont function in the atmosphere youre creating so youre detrimental to my game. spite. | ||
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I cant take another 24hours of this. Ill be back when the next day is called,. | ||
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And since we went no lynch day1 we need another no lynch somewhere down the line unless we sweep it. Im still here but i dont see any good coming from me making any more posts as long as Gummy is alive. | ||
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On May 04 2012 06:10 Ange777 wrote: Aces, you should have been there earlier Could you explain that Paschl? Why would we need another no lynch? Tomorrow itll be 6-2. If we keep going at the usual rate (1 lynch 1 nightkill) we will end up in a situation where were at 4-2 or 3-1 somewhere down the line where no lynch is the standard play because a mislynch means a loss and no lynch means one more nightkill of information. | ||
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please enlighten me mr gumball. | ||
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On May 04 2012 13:06 Gummy wrote: Very revelatory of how much of this thread you actually read. in after you shoot yourself in the foot. | ||
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But killing demorcerf instead of any of the direct claims does seem weird. And it certainly has some implications but id like to think them over before i post something that isnt ready. | ||
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Killing the detective is sooooo much more important than the medic. DId i say sooooo? I meant unbelievably more important, especially in small games. He could easily get away with shooting one of the medic claims. But im still not entirely confident in my analysis. I have some hurdles in my head to overcome since im used to the medic not being able to target the same person twice in a row which makes for a very different game. Some of my assumptions may be flawed but ill try to keep it clear. | ||
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i just signed up for the newbie game because my regular forum is down and since i have played <3 games on TL i thought id see how different the games here are to what im used to. and im not sure how much help the analysis you did will bring us. the most important thing for the mafia is killing blue roles. killing someone just for what they said about you on day 1 is a really, really, exceptionally bad play. especially since nobody had been peeked at the time. | ||
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just think it through like youre scum. you need to kill the blue roles, especially the cop. every day you dont kill them cop someone will be peeked. say the cop randomly picks his target you have a 2/9 chance of half your team being revealed. and if nobody from your team gets peeked youre still in a bad spot because there is one more clear towny. so considering there were 3 claims yesterday the mafia has to think through their options. kill one of the claimed blues? youre probably out of the question since a medic will likely heal you whether youre the real cop or not. shooting a medic gets more complicated since we have 2 claims and if one of those is a scum they will have a hard time shooting the other one since it puts them into a bad light. now lets say that there even is the slightest doubt that youre not the real cop the mafia will go and shoot who they think is the best player and hope he is medic. or they look for someone awkwardly responding to your claim and shoot him. or for any other tiny clue that gives them reason to believe he might be the cop. im trying to say that the mafia shouldnt just kill him because of what he said. and they probably didnt. he was a clear-ish player that made good posts. this singlehandedly is more of a reason to kill him than any of his posts alone. another reason not to aim at the medic would be that Gummy/Claw are v/v and the mafia wants to go for easy mislynches. since if their t/t any way one flips after he gets lynched will probably get the other lynched too. theres a lot of stuff to keep in mind here and tbh its 9am and i havent slept yet. im not saying my reasons are perfect, nor am i saying yours are dumb. i just want to find scum. | ||
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i just realised that in the setups i posted on page5 every mafiateam had a roleblocker. this kinda changes everything. uargh... i need more coffee. | ||
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And i just threw the gummy/claw v/v thing out there. If im scum and gummy/claw are v/v i will probably let the village take care of it. (no i wouldnt, id kill gummy so fast your head would spin  ).But I didnt realise that if there is a medic there probably is a roleblocker too. So why didnt they just roleblock one of the medics and go for Firm? If it fails they block the other one today. Something doesnt add up here. | ||
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On May 04 2012 17:01 FirmTofu wrote: I agree with your general sentiment. However, I don't agree with your conclusion(See bold). I think mafia should willing to take the risk of killing someone who actively suspects them, especially if said person wasn't particularly active but was decidedly pro-town. Furthermore, I don't believe that risk to be a bad move for the mafia to take. It's a risk that has a great payoff in the long run because they'll have one less person scrutinizing their play later on. They are insured of their action because of WIFOM. Your theory that they just killed a good player regardless of his posts is perfectly plausible due to WIFOM, but we shouldn't rule out the possibility that the mafia went for their biggest threat because we think it would be a bad move for them to make. It's hard for me to explain myself with so little sleep on hand. I'm going to get some shut-eye, so I'll be back later. Hopefully we can draw some info out of Ace and Ange today. The thing is they dont have to kill him They can just try to convince him itt that theyre not scum. Killing him on night 1 puts them out there. Especially after the day 1 we had. Who suspected a demorcerf kill? Everybody is gonna look over his posts and see what he can find. | ||
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On May 04 2012 22:48 Gummy wrote: So cool. I'm alive. I'm going to take another strategy and simply comment on what I see. Apparently game theoretic logic is not a good way to convince people of arguments on forum mafia. My explanation is that claw has enough confidence in his explanation of his illogical behavior to waste a night kill to, instead of kill me, attempt to discredit me. My post history stands. Mafia did not make the right play tonight, but I will let that be their problem ^_^ Gummi you saw the setups i posted earlier itt right? Every wolf team had a roleblocker. So why wouldnt claw just block you and kill Firm? The day after it would just be the same story again, both of you claim your heal was blocked. | ||
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I still think dahdum is a good lynch. | ||
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Looks like my soccer team is gonna be relegated and i need some way to deal with the frustration.... How about we just lynch one of claw/gummy tonight to get the claims right? | ||
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maybe its best to take the no lynch today.. im not gonna be useful and im not confident in any vote im going to make. perhaps we can make the mafia untangle the medic situation. at this point im starting to trust firm is the cop since i cant see nobody counterclaim in a newbie game. newbie game is the point btw gummy. you cant expect everyone to play optimal in a newbie game. i dont even think you can expect everyone to know what the optimal play is. the mafia kill is a perfect example of it. | ||
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And i seriously doubt there being a framer or godfather, they would seriously fuck the balance of a small game. Every day the cop lives we have another clear player in addition to the claimable roles. If we want to lynch fro claw/gummy id vote claw. Im still tempted to vote gummy but the chances of the mafia claiming medic first are so much greater than the chances of the mafia counterclaiming a medic claim on day1. And Köln My heart got broken today. Well thats not entirely true, my heart got broken every game this season. :'( | ||
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On May 06 2012 07:20 Gummy wrote: You have lynched an innocent townie! ? | ||
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that post i quoted earlier looks like a mafia claim to me. | ||
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with my luck nothing else is possible. worst day ever.... first my external hdd breaks just as i had finally filled it up, then my tv breaks, then my team gets relegated and finally as i want to go out and drink myself into a coma i end up at some event with the worst music ever and 14year olds everywhere. fml. | ||
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On May 06 2012 09:04 Gummy wrote: Why are we killing the good guys!?!?! ##Vote: Gummy | ||
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Congratulations. | ||
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i just stepped in last second, tbh im not even sure why.. | ||
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But to be honest i think not revealing the roles in a setup like this makes it favour the mafia a fair bit. | ||
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gg go next. | ||
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youre reaction to me spitevoting you on day1 was so scummy. | ||
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On May 06 2012 10:45 Gummy wrote: If a king's citadel is too strongly fortified, the best way to usurp his throne is to rely on the grace of God. Was counting on a Mattchew modkill. You're just too smart to fleece, man! :D thanks for clearing me bro. | ||
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AcesRequiem Ange777 dahdum FirmTofu Gummy paschl 6 players. Gummy is gonna be lynched today, that means we will have 1 mafia left. The medic/jailer shouldnt claim. If you randomly get hit at night it will be worth it. If not claiming after the next night phase might be the way to go. I really doubt Ange is a scum so this means the last should be between Aces/dahdum. There is the tinfoil hat chance that Firm/Gummy is the mafiateam but aorn its unlikely. | ||
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Youre getting lynched and its only your fault. And Firm, if youre really the cop and peeked gummy... I cant even say anything. | ||
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That being said im not even close to believing youre town. | ||
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And my vote wont change. | ||
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i dont need more of a case than this. if youre not im just gonna blame the loss on you and move on with my life. | ||
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Gummy should be lynched today. Theyre obviously gonna try to sway us today but were not gonna fall for it. Why would you even suspect Firm? He peeked Matriarch and Matriarch got killed. Thats no random event. The only way this can really happen is if the mafia thinks Firm is the cop and doesnt know who the medic is. Also notice how Gummy suspect me earlier today, then makes a 180 to get me off him. And Aces, its not like i wanted to lynch dahdum day1. Oh wait, i did. But Gummy himself made the best point why we should lynch him. We should be voting ENTIRELY based on whoever is MOST LIKELY to be mafia. Thats Gummy. | ||
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On May 08 2012 05:43 Gummy wrote: His outing was extremely suspect as demorcef, myself, and a number of others pointed out. Also, it seems like none of the townies really care about the outcome of this game and are voting on false beliefs or based simply on who they like. I think my best bet, given how strong a case I've made for myself, is just to be quiet and let you guys think it over. If you really want to win, the choice is obvious. Vote for tofu. If not, then by all means vote me off and get a big fat "I told you so" when the game ends during the night cycle. *cough*antispew*cough* Given all that you posted itt you now want to lynch the guy who claimed seer while there hasnt been a counterclaim and his peek has been killed tonight? It makes no sense. | ||
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On May 08 2012 06:06 Gummy wrote: There is no detective. That's why there's no counterclaim... So on day1 after a medic claims the mafia decides to claim itt with the most common town role and expects to get lucky? Doesnt sond right. | ||
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On May 08 2012 06:24 Gummy wrote: Be more precise with your language. Are you talking about me or about tofu. Look at how the random generator works. I posted it on the previous page. Is this another mafia claim? I was talking about Tofu. And how do you even know a generator like this was used? I could just aswell see him having 5-7 finished setups and rolling a dice instead of the method wikipedia uses. | ||
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2day dayphase is just too long imo. | ||
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probably doesnt matter, the way gummy played we cant ever let him live. | ||
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and thanks for hosting. | ||
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On May 09 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote: you had a medic and a detective. Don't blame me for town's awful play uh a detective. in a game with a godfather and a framer. thats useful. and maybe im just bitter, its true the town didnt play well but if you want to tell me that this setup is well balanced id seriously question your oppinion. | ||
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the 9er games i play have one cop and no mafia power roles. and if there are other power roles theyre written out. i think having a godfather AND framer in the same game without explicitly stating it makes it imbalanced. but thats just my 2 cents. it makes the cop basically useless. the medic is ridiculously strong though, gotta give you that. although what can the medic do but protect the useless cop? and fwiw ive been after dahdum the whole game, didnt suspect ange tho. id also like to get some outside voice on gummys play. | ||
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Ill stop the balance talk now since its useless, ive played too little games with setups like this to really give a good oppinion. And there was little scumhunting but everytime you tried to scumhunt Gummy came in, said your case doesnt make sense and continued on his course towards claw. | ||
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On May 09 2012 17:34 Ange777 wrote: Yeah, there was a lot of inactivity and very little scum hunting which made this game quite easy for dahdum and me. But I don't want to complain I wasn't even sure that Tofu would check Gummy instead was afraid I'd get checked that night. Surprisingly it worked. I would love some advice on my play. Thanks! I think Gummy claiming mafia helped your plan a lot ^^ | ||
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And maybe its different here but people who claim mafia can never be allowed to live through the game. If only to avoid the postgame "haha i was mafia, claimed mafia and still won". | ||
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Or just a medic on town side and a rolecop for the mafia as fixed roles. So players would have to concentrate on finding scum instead of figuring out the mechanics of what power role might be in the game and how it will effect it. | ||
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