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On May 02 2012 03:08 Gummy wrote: So we have a lot of liars now? Sounds pretty scummy to me. Turning my words around against me isnt particularly towny. I was obviously making a general statement. | ||
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A lof of people are gonna make mistakes because theyre new to the game. Lynching suboptimal play in a newbie game makes 0 sense. I feel like my head just exploded. | ||
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If he puts this much effort into the game and puts himself out there like this as a mafia, respect. | ||
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On May 02 2012 22:54 Gummy wrote: Lots of stupid things are fun though. Some people even find things fun precisely because those things are stupid. More to the point, I feel that polls are a way of anonymously involving the input of nonplayer TL members and gives the game an illusion of interactivity that will draw more observers and garner more interest in future TLM games! It also kinda messes with the metagame since any interaction can have consequences ingame. I was actually surprised to see people not in the game posting itt. On May 02 2012 22:58 Gummy wrote: So what's the alternative? Voting people off via an arbitrary and provably exploitable strategy (LAL)? Its exploitable under optimal circumstances. This is a newbie game. Mafia is gonna be afraid to post, have a harder time reaching their goals since they have to lie every step of the way. They have to make up cases and most likely defend them. They have to think ahead on how their posting today influences them tomorrow. This isnt an easy job. And were here to shoot them if they screw up. I mean id like to give you a course on scumhunting but i dont think im experience enough to do it. Votecount AcesRequiem Ange777 Clawtrocity votes Gummy Dahdum DeMorcerf FirmTofu Gummy votes Clawtrocity Matriarch Paschl So its Gummy 1 Claw 1. Just wanted to put this out there since it gets real today (or tomorrow). Ill be back with a bigger post soon. Can the medic heal the same target twice in a row?. | ||
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towny DeMorcerf - towny. Gummy - i made this point in my last post but if he puts himself out there like this as a mafioso he deserves the spot on my list. Ange777 - latest post was extremely villagery. Both the line of thinking and him telling Gummy not to go after everyone for very little. (+ Show Spoiler + On May 02 2012 17:50 Ange777 wrote: If there can't be 2 medics, at least one of you is lying. I am somehow torn between Claw and Gummy. Claw I actually agree with DeMorcerfs LAL, so what struck me was this: Why are you already implying that (both of) you are lying? As of now, no one can prove the claims. Although you stated you don't like this specific tactic of early roleclaiming, why wouldn't you insist on being the medic and defend your role against other accusations? Is it because you know you are lying and the medic has to be someone else? You might confuse mafia with this move but you could be mafia youself confusing all of us townies. Gummy I don't like your aggressive way of playing, doubting every player based on very little and somehow changing your mind every minute. But your timing to claim medic and to suspect Claw got me thinking. Gummy immediately called Claw scum when Claw roleclaimed. There may not have been any good arguments why Claw should be scum at that time but if Gummy was sure about Claw lying that would be more than enough to doubt him. Only after rereading the filter I saw that Gummy already sliped a medic claim. Either it was a simple mistake him being the medic or a really well did move being scum to cast suspicion on Claw. FirmTofu - claimed detective on day1, think this trough. Does a scum claim detective on day1? It would surely come back to haunt him later. Id even argue about the usefulness of this when youre a vanilla. This combined with his posts having a sort of tonwish conspiricy feel to them he goes on my town list. neutral AcesRequiem - liked his first post, fell off after and hasnt been back yet. Clawtrocity - Im torn on claw. Some of his posts are weird. F.e. "If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him." (+ Show Spoiler + On May 01 2012 09:24 Clawtrocity wrote: I don't really understand the point behind forcing a role claim. Everyone will claim vanilla townie because that's the most common role and it's completely unprovable. It doesn't hide any roles because if everyone claims vanilla townie then everyone is up for attack. I'll go ahead and say that I don't like that strategy, but regardless I'll give actions a real role to claim. With the possibility of a jailkeeper or another Medic I'm fine in saying that I'm one of the medics. The best part is the Mafia won't attack me because they'll think I'm a vanilla townie trying to bite the bullet for the town. If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him. We really just need to keep the detective alive for as long as possible because with so many non-power roles we'll be powerless eventually. I'd be wary of Gummy for being so aggressive so early on. He's most likely trying to accuse other people so if anyone tries to point fingers at him he can claim that they're protecting the person he's pressuring. That's a pretty shady tatic and with his confindence in himself going to his head he might be trouble. scumy Matriarch - has barely posted. Only him making sense in his last post makes ne not want to lynch him today. Still want to see more. Dahdum - should be lynched. He still barely posted. Ive made my post about him earlier, and since then he added one post defending claw. I understand his reasoning but the whole post is evasive. Like he wants to distance himself from a claw lynch (+ Show Spoiler + On May 02 2012 12:06 dahdum wrote: I don't see the benefit in lynching Claw. a) If he's medic, we've screwed ourselves. b) If he's VT, we should have let scum waste a night on him. c) If he's scum, his doctor claim will get him lynched later (when a doctor dies or is confirmed). In any case, lynching him now doesn't provide us with information on anyone else. I have a similar point of view on FirmTofu, his claim seems very difficult to fake. Gummy, you're getting hard to follow for me. These two statements in particular, 3 minutes apart: If you get lynched or die, it will be difficult for us to analyze your reveal and play correctly. So, how do i do this? ##Vote: Dahdum The talk about blue roles should probably stop for today. Im not saying you shouldnt make cases based on those posts but the discussion of who might be what role shouldnt take up most of our time on day1. We will get a lot of additional informations on day2. For now lets focus on hunting scum. I know its day1 and hard to find scum based on the low postcount but all we can do is use what we have. | ||
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You will still have peoples posts, the way they voted their conversations with eachother. Most importantly you know that the guy that got lynched was a towny and you can reevaluate. There is also going to be a mafia kill and we get to analyse it. And my reason isnt that he is useless, my reason is the way he wrote his posts. Im not the best tone reader out there but there is something off about him. Mafia is so much more than confirmed facts. Youre saying Clwa lied, well you lied too. You claimed vanilla towny early itt. And you even defended your lie itt. Him pointing this out is more than reasonable. On May 03 2012 00:11 Gummy wrote: To make my case a little bit stronger.... I WILL be killed tonight. I have made my power role clear and Mafia will be INSANE not to kill me given that I cannot save myself and nobody has roleclaimed a jailkeeper. You MUST vote clawtrocity or we will be in EXACTLY the same place as we are right now, only down one and 6/7ths of a townie only up (2/8=)1/4th of a mafia in expectation, since a vote for anybody else is essentially a shot in the dark at this point. Any vote not directed toward clawtrocity is a vote against the town. Seeing as I'm dead anyway, it would be fair to say that you are either with me or against me. Make my sacrifice worth it How many games have you played? For what its worth, in most of my games there were little to no claims on day1, and most claims that got made on day1 were made up and werent killed. A blue player will be intuitively scared to come out with his role like this. He feels like its his duty to his team to do as much as possible. So i hope you understand that discussing the lynch with the implicating that youre the sure nightkill is not an option. | ||
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Just think this trough Gummy, how pro town is what youre doing right now? And in your posts you say that you hinted at being the medic before Claw claimed, could you point me to the post? And again, how many forum mafia games have you played before? I just want to know how experienced you are. | ||
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Especially outside of Gummy since you already made a post about him. | ||
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And fwiw this isnt posting much. I usually play 7/2 turbos and a day in those seldomly goes below 100 posts. Were here on a 2 day day1 and we made what? 200 posts? Ill get back itt soon, playing dota2 aorn. | ||
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On May 03 2012 06:29 Clawtrocity wrote: You don't have night actions to kill people. And I'm not trying to lynch him. A vote on him is nothing like pushing for a lynch. I.. but... wha..? huh. | ||
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All of them basically. I feel like im playing a solid day1 and all my posts get waved off as spam. Instead there is posts like this: On May 03 2012 06:45 Gummy wrote: I am not protecting you. I am trying to get you voted off. You are either scum or you are trolling this game in a manner that is directly hurting our town making you as bad as scum. I mean... yeah. | ||
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Why would you counterclaim to a random medic claim early on day1? Why would you force other people to claim their role before that if youre the medic? The only situation where i could understand and agree with your play is if there was a chance you peeked claw mafia. I also understand that a medic claim in a setup where the roles arent know is easy to make as a wolf. BUT it will get him into endless trouble later. A new villager is way more likely to come up with some plan that sounds good in his head and will go for it. And yes, i know that youre gonna respond to this with something about your theory being optimal and my arguments being based on nothing. But i have played a few games and ive never seen anything like what youre describing happen. | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:27 Gummy wrote: There is no belief for which that play would be optimal except if he was scum. Think it through and this conclusion is obvious. Drawing nightkills is actually a needed skill for a good villager. If the mafia thinks he is the medic and he draws a nightkill it wouldve been an awesome play. I dont think it should be done every day1 of every game but a post like this in a setup like this should be in a townys range. Even after reading his post again i dont see it any different. Especially the "If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him." is sooooooo too scumy to be scum. | ||
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Im not saying he cant be a mafia because he wrote it but who do you think is more afraid to cop hunt itt? A mafia actually posting a phrase like that is so mindboggling i cant see it happen except in the rarest of cases. | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:39 Gummy wrote: So you're saying that you can trick the detective into wasting a turn on you by pretending to be scum. This helps the town how? Youre not getting what i mean by too scumy to be scum. We have this thing on our forum where outed scum post lolcats when theyre getting lynched as to give nothing away. Its a tradition in the forum. Now someone goes ahead and makes his first post of the game a lolcat. What scum would ever do that? So you could assume he is a towny because a towny is more likely to just go ahead and post it. Similarly ive seen scum post screenshots of something with a seemingly random aim window called "scumchat" open. | ||
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