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On May 01 2012 10:14 marvellosity wrote:
To the bold - what is this nonsense? People don't become unlynchable for turning up on lists, that's absurd. People are unlynchable when they're dead. If a couple of people have someone down as a town-read and I think he's scum, is that going to stop me making a case on them? No, of course it isn't. You don't find mafia because people turn up on lists. You find mafia because they are scummy, simple as that.
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So in the scenario where scum decides to bus Veriat, is it not more likely that they do so in the midst of the voting rather than at the end? golden wasn't 'forced' to vote for anyone, he voted who he wanted to. He could have made a non-vote earlier on in the day on someone like aces (me) or whoever was suspicious at the time.
You seem to have a preconceived notion of how people 'should' play - well, people don't necessarily play like that. You're inventing narratives that to you sound likely, but they are not necessarily true, or even the likeliest narrative.
When they show up on multiple lists it effectively means they become unlynchable because no one wants to vote them, everyone thinks they are town. If you disagree, and think they are mafia, great, write about it and maybe people will see what your seeing. But you do find Mafia from effectively eliminating players that aren't mafia. I'm not the best at explaining it, but I promise you Town Reads > Mafia Reads. Trust me on this one.
Yes, he was "forced" or all his posts leading up to it don't make sense. He called Veriat a mafia before he had a vote. He never changed that read, now he also called Aces(you) a mafia, so he kept his vote on Aces(you). But when it became apparent that it was either lynching Veriat or No lynching, he has to vote his mafia read or else his play doesn't make sense.
This doesn't make him scum though. But you are saying it makes him look good, and it doesn't.
I do have a preconceived notion of how people should play, But it's a notion that has logical backing and logical progression to it. If it wasn't Golden, say it was someone that was Pro-No Lynch and didn't have a read on Veriat, then not voting makes sense in that scenario. But because it was Golden, he had to make that vote. Whether, he is town or mafia, he makes that vote either way. And my suspicion is raised on how he made that vote, but that has been beaten to the ground and not going anywhere, so we moved on.
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On May 01 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote:
No, no-one wants to vote for them because they believe they are townie, not because they are on a stupid list. Jesus christ. Yes, it helps you to find mafia if you have town reads. But that's an individual thing. To make other people see your point of view if they don't, you'd have to make a "town case" which is getting ludicrous.
I also did not say it made golden looked good, I said your assertion that he was scum (your words were something like "If veriat is scum, i believe golden is scum") which I totally dissected in my last post.
As it appears I will fail in my bid to make you see common sense, I shall stop this back and forth with you.
Yeah, this is pointless.
You haven't read my posts, and the topic has already been beaten to the ground.
He makes the vote either way, but it's HOW he made the vote that makes it weird. but like i said its already been beaten.
If you focus more on Town reads than mafia reads, the game becomes easier. Free advice, take it or leave it.
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Alright we'll spell it out for you:
By making a Town List, other people can see your thought process. By allowing others to see your thought process, you become easier to clear. That is our job as town, become clear. If we do that, we win 100% of the time.
With everyone making a Town List, it then forces Mafia to also make Town list's. This poses a dilemna to them because they know they have to "lie" in some cases and call their teammates Town. If there is a lack of thought process in putting that person as a town, it then incriminates them. If they don't put mafia in there town list, they will eventually have to vote each other. Both of these equaling town profit.
I'm glad we've had this invigorating discussion. I highly doubt you are a mafia though, so good has come out of it.
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EBWOP:
either, "Alright well I'll" or "Alright I'll" somehow I combined well and I'll
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On May 01 2012 11:01 marvellosity wrote:
I'll spell it out for you by giving you the marvellosity challenge:
Find ONE, yes only ONE, good player on this forum who lists town-reads (at night no less) and encourages others to do the same.
Pro-tip: you won't find one.
Alright, well I haven't read any games on here but I'll take your word for it.
If that's how people play here it is what it is. I strongly disagree with it but I'm not gonna argue with it if that's standard
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On May 01 2012 11:23 O.Golden_ne wrote:
4. WhySoMuch
Can you explain Jailbreakers connections to other players in the group in a list? thx
I think too many assumptions have to made and there's still a lot of uncertainty in today's lynch even though Jail does seem like the leading candidate. If he is lynched, then I will go back and look at connections.
In fewer words, basically what Marvelous said
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On April 29 2012 05:30 Splinter[eP] wrote:
Okay, just quickly scanned over the thread posts. I will vote for Veriat instead to secure a lynch; while my analysis and other's of Aces makes sense I myself now see that the reasoning for Veriat is also quite concrete and some people are more sold on him than Aces. I think Veriat has tripped over himself more than Aces has as well, so thus:
##Unvote AcesAnoka
##Vote Veriat
I hope that he turns up red, but if not that means we've at least eliminated bad town play instead of someone more useful to the conversation.
I don't see Splinter ever being mafia.
-He made a case on Aces earlier in the day and therefore had ever reason to keep his vote on Aces
-He comes back into the thread and makes his vote change, where at the time the votes were 4-3, because he switched off Aces it made the votes 5-2 which made a veriat lynch likely
-His following post he says "depending on the results I'm still coming for Aces"
I think that is a very hard post to make as a mafia in that spot, he would know Veriat is flipping mafia, and therefor would have to clear (I'm assuming) Aces.
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I think that's 6 votes on Jailbreaker so we secured a lynch barring anyone doing something.
@Mordanis, you can't argue with people that use bad logic. But you are right and they are wrong, Jailbreaker is the right lynch regardless of the result.
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On May 02 2012 01:54 marvellosity wrote:
Bad logic is that 8 townies is better than 6? ok.
No. But if we don't lynch him today, we are going to have the same discussion tomorrow so we aren't gonna progress and probably end up lynching him tomorrow and even if we don't, there's no way for him to be clear so at some point he is going to be lynched anyways, therefore, the best play is to lynch him. He is likely mafia but if he isn't it's not bad.
Bad logic is that you aren't seeing this.
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You accept your beliefs because you've been told it's true, when you haven't explored why they are true.
When you do that, tell me my logic is flawed.
To start, why are villager lists bad? What harm do they do to the Town? What benefits do they give to the Town?
Next, why is my logic in that previous post bad?
And stop saying "No good player ever uses", you prolly know like 5 good players.
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On May 02 2012 03:19 marvellosity wrote:
I already explained, but in the absence of getting it through your skull I pointed out that good players simply don't do it.
I know plenty of good players, I read this forum like a whore.
No you didn't. When I gave reasons for why it benefits, you refuted saying "Good players don't do it".
Good players make reads list that include both towns and mafia. That's basic 101 Mafia.
What's wrong with making a case on why someone is a town, that's not ridiculous and it could save a mislynch.
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Your too good for us dude. 5 games and your a pro
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How did you come up with Pure SC as the best alternative?
That post doesn't really help your case. Your kinda of just throwing around names and I'm interested in your answer to my above question
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Well this is interesting, I'm almost positive Jailbreaker is flipping mafia now, and that post has significant meaning cause he knows this as he writes that post
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Luls ELIte playing from you both.
no need for an apology on my useless contribution where i said I wouldn't let Splinter be lynched.
since it's apparantly weird to post at night. I will see you tomorrow.
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wtf is wifom? i keep seeing it show up
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On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:
The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker
The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.
nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?
Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.
I'm bring this back because I think this is important.
The chances that Veriat completely ignored his team with this reads this is unlikely, there had to be some interaction between the two because I'm sure they tried to distance themselves at least somewhat.
So that leaves The_Zen_Man, nReekay, and Myself. I know I am a town, and I'm like 99% sure The_Zen_Man is a town which leaves nReeKay on there.
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On May 02 2012 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
an example in this thread WSM is Veriat's scumreads. "by posting these scumreads they'll think these guys are town when i flip. but they'll know that's what i think, so they'll think they're scum. But they also know i could think that, so they could be town" etc.
lol funny xpost.
I think veriat's reads are important to look at here. I would be very surpised if he did not a teammate in that list
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I'm here, I'll post my thoughts as we approach day
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