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Why would scum push the lynch on Veriat when only a single vote either way would let him live for another day? The only player in the Veriat lynch that looks suspicious to me is WhySoMuch based on his behaviour in the lead up to the deadline. If we look at that vote, this is what I see (colouring known town and my town reads for now): Day1: Veriat: (7): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2, Splinter[eP], Mordanis, O.Golden_ne The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat Yomi (1): Jailbreaker AcesAnoka (1):Lazermonkey WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324 No Vote: (1):AcesAnoka/Marvellosity Based on the back and forth between them, I don't think both WhySoMuch and Golden can be scum. Golden's filter reads town to me more than WhySoMuch. I believe there is at least one scum between Lazermonkey, nreekay324 and AcesAnoka/Marvellosity. nreekay: - Short filter - Has provided more detailed analysis as game has progressed Lazermonkey: - Short filter - Votes on Aces for lurking, and stays with that vote. No one could convince him anyone was more suspicious than him. - References Nova/The_Zen_Man – when Nova isn’t playing the game? This might be way too circumstantial but could this possibly be a scumslip based on communicating with the admin Nova? I think he was meant to be referencing me here. AcesAnoka/Marvellosity: - I want to believe is town, but doubts linger. WhySoMuch: - Large filter, odd logic - Calls himself out as likely to be killed during the night and proceeds to post his reads. Obvious self town promotion - Things against him being scum: Puts me and The_Zen_Man on a never vote list. Early town read on Splinter, but this isn't conclusive. | ||
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So, following our day 1 lynch, you mmade the following post. On April 29 2012 15:22 Lazermonkey wrote: Wow, such a nice day-1 kill! I wasn't at home last night but I followed the drama from my phone : P - This clearly states that you watched the result. You weren't at home, but kept an eye on the result from your phone. Then during your night post last night, which is essentially an analysis of the day 1 lynch, you state something that I also looked at, is that due to the nature of the Veriat vote just reaching the minimum, one assumption could be that neither of the other 2 scum voted on Veriat. As this included you, you offered the following reasoning as to why you voted Aces and didn't vote Veriat: On May 03 2012 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote: Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1. - This clearly states that you were at home, and went to bed prior to the deadline, and more importantly the reasoning for stating this is to distance yourself from the the obvious conclusion, that mafia wouldn't have voted for Veriat. - You never made a case against Aces, you sponged off Golden and then settled on lurking as a reason. This sounds very different from what you stated here. Your response to WhySoMuch who raised this was: On May 03 2012 15:55 Lazermonkey wrote: Because I'm scum or because I don't remember things. you choose! I have a hard time believing you don't remember the difference between being out and watching the result unfold on your phone, and being at home not watching the drama unfold and going to bed early. Especially considering you are in the middle of stating a case and trying to explain why you did something that essentially looks suspicious. You offer the alternative that you're either scum or don't remember things. Well you kinda just offered no real option there other to see you as scum? This throwaway comment reads to me as someone being caught out on something and throwing out an extreme statement to gloss it over. A few other things that stand out: - One of the few non-confirmed town who didn't vote Veriat. Voted Aces. States he made a case on Aces, but I don't see it, quotes one post of Aces and calls it scummy. - References Nova (the game admin) in a post - seems like an obvious mistake (and I think he meant me). - Pressured Golden after his late vote on Veriat, despite that vote actually leading to a scum lynch. - Late and very safe vote on Jailbreaker - Casting doubt on The_Zen_Man without offering anything other than he didn't push the case on Veriat. Yet his case led me to voting on Veriat. - Stating scum read against WhySoMuch without offering anything and essentially just sponging off what others have already posted. | ||
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Why sign up if you can't commit time to it? I feel like I'm completely wasting my time with this when half the people can't even be bothered to put time into it. | ||
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Only thing I really don't get, why would he switch vote to Veriat? Even if Veriat looked suspicious, if he didn't get voted day 1 he'd still have to be voted for day 2, meaning more mafia in the game for longer. | ||
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- Lazer states 3 separate times a town read on Golden. He does put some pressure on Golden for his late vote on Veriat. - Mentions Lazer only once, early on with 2 others saying they needed to post more. Never responds to Lazers pressure on him related to the vote on Veriat. Nothing else I can really see there. They come across as essentially invisible to each other. | ||
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Initially states he is out (not home) and following on mobile. Then, when making his case on why he was one of the ones who didnt vote Veriat, says he was home, and didnt follow it as he went to bed early. This is a massive difference. | ||
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Then we get this whole charade? WhySoMuch "knows" Sexdoll from some other site, they have this nice little byplay - oh he's actually younguns there lol lol, heyya babe, and of course Sexdoll knows him and he is likely a villager based on his experience with him. Isn't that sweet, the internet suddenly seems like such a small happy place, where two people who played something similar on another site manage to not only end up in the same game on this site, but have all this experience playing together. I think it's one of two things. 1). They are the same person and totally fucking with us. This was my first impression based on Sexdolls posts. 2). They are friends who are communicating out of band and acting like they aren't. I don't like it at all. Marv, I'm going to spend the next bit going over your case on Golden. It read good the first time but there were a few things I wanted to look at closer. Don't you think it's weird that WhySoMuch has dropped his number 1 scum read on Golden? His reason initially was that he didn't think anyone would support it, so now you've made a good case, why the hell isn't he even pushing it? | ||
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I'm conflicted though, as I was the person that led the lynch against Lazermonkey in my first mafia game for similar reasons, i.e., he had made what appeared to be obvious scum tells, and he became the obvious lynch (like Jailbreaker this game) and then he flips town. I think that gives me enough doubt right now, that if I'm convinced in the case against Golden, will be pushing for that lynch. I'll post more once I've done some work and had a chance to go through the case again. | ||
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I really don't feel good about the SexDoll replacement based on what I've read so far, and I've posted what I think about this. So yea. ##Vote: SexDoll Additional concerns, Lazer's made an admitted lie in order to alleviate suspicion to avoid being lynched. On its own this seems really bad to me. The_Zen_Man needs to contribute. Also, someone out there knows some concrete evidence. I'm in two minds about this, because I think the info can be used now. If it's not going to be, then it has to be used at the end of the night. That's my opinion anyway. | ||
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On May 03 2012 21:30 marvellosity wrote: At this stage golden is my main scum-read. You may understand why this is extremely time-consuming to put together 40 minutes later, Golden posts that he's pulling out of the game. That's one way to avoid the pressure on you and meaning you don't have to answer a case I suppose. | ||
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nreekay seems to be on board, so lets hear from The_Zen_Man, Lazermonkey and Mordanis And we know WhySoMuch will be on board because of: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 05:19 WhySoMuch wrote: This post is hella sketch. Your happy to see him lynched but you won't vote him? As far as I know only 1 person is voting him becuase of his lack of activity. I am not. When he has been in the thread, his posts have been extremely wolfy as I and others have pointed out. + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 06:15 WhySoMuch wrote: I explained in my post why it was sketch. You saying you won't change your vote to Variat even though you are happy to see him lynched. There are no detrimental posts, idk what you mean by that. Are Veriats posts more scummy than Aces? Yes, a lot more. The bolded: Why are you so against voting him, like it's going to pain you to vote him, but if it's absolutely necessary you will when you said you would be happy to see him lynched. It doesn't make sense. If Veriat flips mafia, I am coming after you for being his partner. And to answer your bolded question: My read on you is that you are a mafia if Veriat flips mafia. Yes your steadfast view on Aces is more sketch than me flip flopping, what is so bad about flip-flopping? I'm showing I'm analysing posts in real time and drawing conclusions, then going back rereading and switching my stance. You are hesistant to vote someone you are "happy to lynch" and that's what makes your steadfast stance scummy. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 07:06 WhySoMuch wrote: ##Vote: Golden + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 14:04 WhySoMuch wrote: Can I lock in my mafia team as LazerMonkey/Golden right now? cause I kinda wanna do that. ##vote: LazerMonkey ...And many other references to his belief that Golden is scum. | ||
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Overall his play has been much better this game, but then he goes and lies in such a way that is impossible to deny, and then admits it (which he had no choice). He has a reason for doing it (which it's good he's posted) and I can believe him. I'm not sure if I do though, so he needs to get very involved in what's going on now - I don't think we can accept any lurking at all from him. | ||
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