EPTThere's a core group of villagers emerging, and there's been good discussion. On top of that, we are lynching someone that most people are agreeing on.
Overall Very Good Day One. Now lets hope we got the right person.
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There's a core group of villagers emerging, and there's been good discussion. On top of that, we are lynching someone that most people are agreeing on. Overall Very Good Day One. Now lets hope we got the right person. | ||
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The_Zen_Man Splinter Pure_SC Mordanis Myself Look the best for their voting yesterday Yomi also looks sorta good, idk how he plays and if he likes to bus or not, but he shouldn't be voted today Golden was forced to vote him so he doesn't look any better and I would say he is a mafia with Veriat | ||
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On April 29 2012 07:07 O.Golden_ne wrote: @WhySoMuch. You seem to be confusing reserved play as defensive play. Since we have started i have maintained an outlook preferring to take in the whole picture and analyse play before making any judgment. I think my play is an asset to the town as it can be easy to slip into the habit of following the play in real time and perhaps missing key points. I classify this as a more reserved style than defensive. To justify my position on a delayed vote switch to Veriat: since the beginning i have been pro-D1-lynch, it has been established that it is important in uncovering motives and gets the ball rolling in regards to seeing allegiances within the group. I did quite a bit of analysis on the players Nreekay324 and AcesAnoka finding them to be scummy, with my reserved playstyle i found that changing to a last minute change to Veriat was something i had to consider. I had to weigh up the benefits of the D1-lynch, and the groundwork that i had done on the previous two players. Well we got a mafia with our first lynch, that's perfect! We all have some re-reading of Day 1 to do. I welcome you coming after me WhySoMuch i have nothing to hide. Golden I don't know where your getting the terms "reserved" and "defensive" from. I never called your play either of those things. I don't understand what your trying to say in your middle paragraph either. But you said you would be "Happy if Veriat was lynched" yet you did not vote him until it was clear that Aces was not going to be lynched and only then did you grudgingly move to Veriat saying "If I have to move I will". These two actions, saying you're happy to lynch him and then showing hesitance and displeasure to vote him, don't add up. You can't have one with the other. | ||
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If you choose not to post I don't think it's a bad thing, but I think we can use tonight to get a jump on tomorrow | ||
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On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote: Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum: The_Zen_Man nreekay324 Jailbreaker The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote. nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him? Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts. Just gonna do some spew analysis first. This is about the only post of use that he wrote. The_Zen_Man is pretty much clear forever, he made a case on Veriat when he could have chosen a lot of other people and Veriat then goes and makes him his #1 wolf read and later makes a case on him. You just don't see this being mafia/mafia with newer mafia nreekay I think is also spewed cleared here as well i think. If your gonna put a mafia in your mafia reads, it's not gonna be like this with qualifiers and extra useless info in my opinion. However JailBreaker, this is exactly how a newer mafia would do it, he just throws his name out there with some lame, non existent reasoning. I am moving Jailbreaker to the mafia side for this alone. | ||
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The_Zen_Man PureSC- he made posts yesterday that people don't make if they are mafia/mafia with someone Town-like: Mordanis Splinter Yomi nreekay LazerMonkey Mafia-like: Golden JailBreaker | ||
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Towns don't have fear of getting shot either. | ||
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I will address your other points in my next post | ||
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The_Zen_Man- He made a case on Veriat when he could have chosen anyone at that point to make a case on. He is the clearest person in the game right now in my opinion and really don't see him ever flipping mafia PureSC- He was the one that recognized the scumminess of Veriat's "In-depth read list" first. Most mafia would have saw their teammate post that and said "oh ok, good" and moved on. I don't see him being a mafia Splinter- Had every reason to be on Aces, as he made a case on him earlier in the day, but switched his vote to a mafia, with little hesistation. I just don't see that being mafia/mafia violence either. Also, he placed probably the most critical vote out of everyone on Veriat. nReeKay- I like the fact that he has been adjusting his reads throughout the game. Originally I was supicious of him because his vote on me looked super sketch, but his response to that seemed genuine. This read obviously isn't as strong as the others but I would not like to see him voted today LazerMonkey- This one is kind of just overall. Nothing real solid, I'm just getting Town vibes from him As for the 'Champion of the Veriat' lynch. No I wasn't the first person, or the second, or even the third, but I think without me stating why I think Veriat was a mafia and why Aces was not, I swung the late voters. Had I taken a nonchalant approach I very much believe that we could have had a "no-lynch" yesterday. As for your whole post, I don't know if you would write that whole thing out as a mafia, but that's about the only thing town-like of your post. Your whole post is essentially soft-pushing me mafia, yet in the end you call me a town? The reason why I raise suspicion at you is not because of the time it took, but because of the words you used. On April 29 2012 04:50 O.Golden_ne wrote: Veriat is my current 3rd scum-read, i would be happy to see him lynched. His behaviour and activity level isn't great as stated by several of the others. I cannot tell if he is town or mafia, but as a lurker i find him useless in the debate. I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat. Notice the bold. Then read the last sentence. Those to lines don't add up. But on a side note: Did we prove to you Aces was less of a threat than Veriat? On April 29 2012 05:50 O.Golden_ne wrote: I will vote for him if we need too, but answer me this. Is Veriats 'wolfy' posts more detrimental to the team than AcesAnoka's? Notice the tone in the bold. It doesn't make sense that you are "happy to vote him" but will only vote him "if we need to". | ||
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Mordanis- Originally I thought he looked really good, but going back I don't like it as much. I'm not advocating a vote for him in the least. But he was really spongy on his vote of Veriat, only switching to him if someone else did. But meh, We will see what comes of today. @Everyone- Thoughts on Jailbreaker? Obviously I think Golden is a mafia but we aren't gonna spend the whole day talking about especially when I don't think he's gonna get a maj on him. So a good alternative is Jailbreakers imo. What raised alarm bells for me is 2 things: 1) Veriat magically put him on a wolf list with almost no explanation. This is a feeble attempt to seperate themselves should one of them be lynched. 2) This Post: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 04:09 Jailbreaker wrote: nonononononono water you guys doin? you planet all wrong. Can't you see that other players are trying to rush people into a decision so fast?? Just because we dun have a majority vote, doesn't mean we should rush. Even though I voted for Yomi so fast in the game, i didn't rush. Just like what golden says, stay clam and dont panic. I know its fail logic right here, no apollo-gies here on my part. Mordanis says: + Show Spoiler + Hopefully our analysis has been good enough that at least some of the people who have 2 or 3 votes are scum. That being said, our strategy should be to have everyone post the people they'd be willing to vote for. This will force the mafia to either risk voting for their own or they will reveal themselves (the circle of people who won't vote for each other will be the mafia). Personally, I'll vote for anyone who is close to a majority, or one of the triangle who won't vote for each other. Come on guys, we are running out of time and we need to start working together to make a lynch. Its crunch time guys, and we need teamwork to beat the mafia. and + Show Spoiler + Guys, we have 4 hours. We need to get going. the closest we have is 4 now. Sounds a bit to me like a rushing/get-on-the-band-wagon Why are you voting for him? plz give a real reason. I also feel like O.Golden_ne has the most influence over the votes with your "in depth analysis" and a galactic wall of texts. Sounds more like regurgitation of O.Golden_ne's posts. From what AcecAnoka has posted, I feel like we dont have enough info to point fingers at him. get off the bandwagon and look at other players posts just in general Originally I thought this was a town-like statement to make. But looking back at it with results in mind I don't like it. He says we're doing everything wrong, but doesn't give any alternatives. He is merely commentating on the game instead of adding to the game. It is also weird that he soft-defends Aces and soft-Attacks Veriat, though he does not vote Veriat. It seems he is trying to get people to move to different wagons than we had. If he had added more and given his own suggestion, I think this is very town-like post, but because he doesn't it makes me very wary of him | ||
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On April 30 2012 20:57 The_Zen_Man wrote: First of all, lazermonkey, i want to say that i am not with you on the Nova part in your post. I don't trust him, he is always posting these weird post about people dying and stuff, could be a scum move (lol) Secondly, i do share your opinion on WhySoMuch. I have been suspicious of him from the start, and his latest games has not helped him. Below i will make my case against him. This is what WhySoMuch posted when he voted for me the first time. He says that he found my post very "Wolfy", but pays almost no attention to Veriat, with the explanation that i am not thinking deep enough. To show you how much "deeper" Veriat post was, here it is My post before might not have been the deepest post, but this is not much better. I think that the "deeper" part was just an excuse to push away attention from his scum buddy and towards me. This whole post just seems off to me. Like you think this is what a townie would say But a few things: 1st underline: we gain information by lynching someone, it's not an "if", I am 100% sure we gain knowledge by lynching anyone today. And if your a townie you should realize this, as of yet no one has implied we don't gain knowledge by lynching someone except you. 2nd underline: We don't ever lynch someone just cause, that just doesn't happen. We lay out our views and decide who seems most likely to be a mafia and we vote them. The part about this post that seemed strange to me is " And if your a townie you should realize this". Im not sure how being a mafia or town matters if a have some information. Then, after having posted with about 5 post saying how i am "Wolf", he unvotes me but says that he still haves me as scum. Maybe he realized that no one took his suspicioins against me seriously and decided to give up, but still have me as a possible scum if he needed one. On April 28 2012 09:35 WhySoMuch wrote: Town: Splinter LazerMonkey Mordanis Mafia: The_Zen_Man Nreekay He then proceds to vote for me anyway, with not much more explanation than this. Mordanis posted a case against Veriat just a few post before this one. Maybe he tried to direct attention towards me instead of his scum buddy. Veriat then also votes for me, probably to try a bandwagon on me. On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote: Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum: The_Zen_Man nreekay324 Jailbreaker The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote. nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him? Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts. This post was really not saying much about anything, but there is something interesting here. He writes that "On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?". This might be Veriat trying to back up his scum buddy, and take away suspicions from people. On April 29 2012 03:56 WhySoMuch wrote: It's the same game, Y'all call it Mafia, We call it Werewolf. It's the same principal and I'm really confused why people are so caught up on it. This is newb game for people that have played 3 or less games ON THIS SITE. That is why I signed up for it, to get a feel for THIS SITE. So many things are different, such as requiring a Majority to lynch someone, that I think it was best to play a game like this before trying out the non-newb games. I have played over 100 games on the other forum using wolve/villager lingo, so to answer your question about 100 games to get it ingrained. I am making an effort, every time you see the word Mafia or Town most likely I had to go back and erase wolf/villager. However sometimes I forget. I didn't ask how to quote posts, I asked how to quote multiple posts, because on the other site, I can click a button and it will multi-quote for me. THis forum did not have it, and I was wondering what people usually do instead. As for the "All" button I probably should have figured that out, but again, on the other forum there is an option to change posts per page from 25 to 100. I have explained my vote a gazillion times already. Just because I vote you again doesn't mean I have to have different reasons than before. I am confused though, because Veriant looks extremely bad right now. Like all his reads are justs sponges and he has no original thought, so I'm pretty sure he's a wolf. Which means you likely aren't a wolf. ##vote: Veriat This is also very interesting. This is what WhySoMuch posted after i put up a possible Veriat and WhySoMuch connection. I think that he saw the only way out of it was too vote his scum buddy veriat, that way when Veriat flips Mafia he would be shown as a good townie. After that he switches votes two times, back to Veriat again. This was maybe because he tried to save his scum buddy in one last effort. But when he realized it wasn't going to happen he changed again, so that he might look like a good townie. He then haves a unusually lot of activity during the night. He explains this with that he is probably the Mafia target, but i don't get that. There were plenty of people(me including) that played a part in Veriat being lynched. He also makes this post: On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote: Just gonna do some spew analysis first. This is about the only post of use that he wrote. The_Zen_Man is pretty much clear forever, he made a case on Veriat when he could have chosen a lot of other people and Veriat then goes and makes him his #1 wolf read and later makes a case on him. You just don't see this being mafia/mafia with newer mafia nreekay I think is also spewed cleared here as well i think. If your gonna put a mafia in your mafia reads, it's not gonna be like this with qualifiers and extra useless info in my opinion. However JailBreaker, this is exactly how a newer mafia would do it, he just throws his name out there with some lame, non existent reasoning. I am moving Jailbreaker to the mafia side for this alone. He writes that i am pretty much clear forever, which might be to remove any suspicions i might have. I think everyone knows that i am a town, as my case on Veriat turned a few players around. You are just stating the obvious, and trying to look better in my eyes. WhySoMuch then proceds to try and start a case against golden, with still little to no basis for this at all. WhySoMuch is looking very suspicious to me, and i would like to hear the other players thoughts.[/QUOTE] 1) The reason I called you out and not Veriat was already stated (atleast I think) in the thread. You automatically registered that the only reason a town was lynched d1 in the other game was "Simply because they didn't have enough information". This is showing poor thought process, because there could be a number of things of why a town was lynched. That was why you got pressure and he didn't 2) Just because you saw a "connection" between us, doesn't mean I'm gonna act on it in either role. I did not care you saw a "connection", It had no affect on my actions. Why would 1 poster who I had suspicion on affect my actions? That doesn't make sense 3) When I voted unvoted and voted again, no one was certain who would be lynched. If I had kept my vote on Aces the vote would have been 5-3 Aces and a likely Aces lynch or No lynch. So saying that I was forced to switch once I knew Veriat was lynched does not describe my vote (it describes Golden's). 4) I had no idea you would be pressuring me, so I would have no reason to put you at the top of my Town list to "get you not to suspect me". Once again your not looking at the time frame of posts. I don't care how to view me, and I'm not trying t o look better in your eyes by having you as my #1 town | ||
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I don't know everyone's obsession with getting rid of "lurkers", yes it's fine d1 but after that, if people clear themselves then they shouldn't be lynched even if they aren't big contributors. I'm not encouraging to stop posting because he seems like a really good town to have, but if he can't cause of irl or whatever, we still aren't lynching him. | ||
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On May 01 2012 07:42 Pure-SC2 wrote: WhySoMuch - you don't speak for the town. So far at least 3 people have found your actions suspicious, so if you really are town you need to start thinking a bit more about how you're playing and what you're actually doing to help the town. I am trying to keep the village from wasting a day talking about why someone is a mafia because they don't post when they are likely town. Now, if you believe Splinter is a Mafia because of reasons outside of "he hasn't posted in x amount of time" then I'm all for posting that. But afaik, he is a Town and very likely town, so soft-pushing him because he isn't here is pointless. You may not like me talking in absoletes but to say I'm not helping the town is pretty lol. I'm confident Splinter is a town, and therefore I don't believe he should be lynched, happy? On May 01 2012 07:50 Mordanis wrote: ... Then the mafia would only have to lurk, and the active posters would kill themselves off while the scum kill off another one each night. Just two iterations of this, and its down to 4 town and 2 mafia. To be clear, I'm not going to say that we should automatically lynch whoever posts the least, but if we have to decide between lynching a lurker or someone who contributes, I'll go with the lurker. If the person we lynch is mafia, we did well either way. But if we mislynch, I'd much rather lose a townie who contributes little than a townie who contributes a lot. Also, Hi Marvellosity! gl catching up with everything, hope you post some new insight! And this is where we disagree. In your scenario, I would vote for the person I feel is most likely mafia. Yes the lurker would look worse to start, but if he made a vote that they don't make as a mafia, then I'm gonna vote for the other guy. I can contribute all I want, I would do the same a Mafia. I don't think all 3 mafia are going to be lurkers. | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:47 marvellosity wrote: The second person I am most interested in is WhySoMuch. There were a couple of things that stood out at me just browsing the thread: 1) lots of vote changes. Doesn't have to be alignment indicative, but it stood out 2) The only quote from someone I actually have written down - "Town reads are more important than mafia reads". Interesting - I thought we were here to lynch scum. He expressed the same opinion AGAIN, and then listed his own town reads. Unless I am mistaken, this also happened at night. Sounds like it could be town-read fishing -> mafia kills. Lists of town reads, especially at night, are bad, mmkay? Like I said, they only give mafia targets. If you have people you think are pretty likely town - good!! You don't need to tell all of us. Do you really think that saying "blabla seems extremely townie" is going to convince anyone that person is town if they didn't think so already? 3) He called out golden very quickly saying that if Veriat was scum, golden was scum. Say whaaaaaaaat? So someone casts the deciding vote to lynch a scum and they're scum? I mean, it's possible, sure, but that's an incredible leap to make. It does point out that Whysomuch is extremely aware that scum could be bussing scum to try to gain towncred. Related to this is that he points out himself that he looks good for voting Veriat. So he looks awesomely townie for lynching the scum and golden, the guy who actually got the scum lynched, looks scummy. k. Anyway, reading the filters is an even bigger task than reading the thread, but I will work on it diligently. There's some food for thought in the meanwhile. 2nd point) Yes we are here to lynch scum, but the only way mafias win is by mislynches. By establishing our town reads, we take away mislynches. You see the same names popping up on town lists and those people all of a sudden become unlynchable, thereby taking away mislynches. The point of having town reads isn't to convince other people to have the same town reads, it's that if everyone makes a town reads list, you have a group of players that will show up on multiple lists, thereby increasing our chances of hitting a mafia. 3rd point) No it isn't, he was forced to make the vote. If he didn't it would automatically be mafia/mafia no questions asked. He put Veriat on his mafia list and was "Happy to vote him". He was also Pro-D1 lynch in the discussion earlier, and if he didn't vote that would go against his policy. No this doesn't automatically mean he is a mafia, but awarding town points to Golden is wrong. | ||
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Yeah, I do look better than Golden, So does Splinter so does PureSC so does Mordanis. The deciding vote there is not what got Veriat lynched, and the town successfully twisted Golden's arm to vote a mafia, that may not be the right phrase, as Golden could be a town in which case we still "forced" him to vote Veriat, but Golden would do that anyways in that scenario, but if he were mafia and the votes were say 5-3, then golden would not have had to switch. | ||
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