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On April 27 2012 19:16 The_Zen_Man wrote:
First, i would like to say that the reason for the time it took for this respond is beacause school/sleep. Im currently still in school, but i found time to post this.
WhySoMuch: I understand that my first post would seem suspicous, but i think u misunderstood me. I simply don't want a lynch just for the sake of lynch. If we have information, or if we are sure we would gain some information by lynching then we should do it. But if we just lynch someone because we don't have anyone else, that would probably result in a townie dead. Early in the game that kind of information might not be available, that is why i said nolynch could be useful early. Also, i understand that u voted for me to pressure me to respond, but if you still choose to keep voting on me you should give me a better explination.
I can't post for a few hours, but when i get home i will post some more including my thouhts on some other people.
This whole post just seems off to me.
Like you think this is what a townie would say
But a few things:
1st underline: we gain information by lynching someone, it's not an "if", I am 100% sure we gain knowledge by lynching anyone today. And if your a townie you should realize this, as of yet no one has implied we don't gain knowledge by lynching someone except you.
2nd underline: We don't ever lynch someone just cause, that just doesn't happen. We lay out our views and decide who seems most likely to be a mafia and we vote them.
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On April 27 2012 21:20 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Whysomych: In your 1st underline you write that i should know that we gain knowledge by lynching someone if i was a townie, which dosen't make sense to me. If i had or did not have that knowledge before would not really define wether im a townie or not, as anyone with experience in the game would know that. But your post before that makes sense now that i think about it. Who people vote for during the lynch, and how they act before is valuable information. Im very new to this game and i am sill figuring it out, so if i acted suspicous it is only because of that. Also, if i was scum i would push for a lynch rather that nolynch, as scum can easily go undetected in the early game and let us lynch a townie.
If u have further concern regarding me, please express them so that i can answer them.
It's more of a way a villager thinks, like everyone intuitively knows that we get more knowledge as we lynch someone but wolves tend to not use "deeper" logic.
I will lay off of you for now though, I still have you as a wolf though.
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On April 28 2012 02:14 yomi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 01:56 AcesAnoka wrote:
It might be Yomi's playstyle but it doesn't take away that just voting for the heck of it is a bad thing. It really isn't though. No one was talking about anything before. Now they are talking about someone. It's not instant majority or anything so no one was ever in danger of being lynched. Voting is a good thing, everyone should vote early and vote often. It makes it tougher for mafia if they can't just fit in and vote really late. Mafia prefer if everyone votes late so they can fit in with other late voters and just bandwagon on to whatever case is best for them.
Yeah, pretty much +1 to this post.
I didn't care that he voted me, I figured it was just an early throwaway vote to gage a reaction Hence I really don't think yomi's vote on me was wolfy at all.
Wolves don't make those type of votes, it's nreekay's vote on me that is sketch. Still waiting for him to come back and see what he has to say
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On April 28 2012 03:05 The_Zen_Man wrote:
If i have seemed inactive, i will try to make up for it now. Below i will give my opinions on a few players.
WhySoMuch: I still find it strange that you were so aggresive towards me early in the game after i had only posted one post. I also find it strange that you barely mentioned Veriat who's first post was very similliar to mine. Said this before, but can you please explain you're actions here? Also, why didn't you aske yomi for further explination on his vote on you? Instead you voted on me and had some few posts where you conversed with yomi. This also seemed strange to me. Please explain.
There were differences in his post that made me less suspicious of him. For example when you said "The village mislynched SIMPLY because they did not have enough information".
This is just worded weirdly and extra careful.
As for being aggressive, that's what I do, I don't wait til an hour left in the game to make my thoughts known. You made a post that I thought was weird, so I called you out on it. It forces conversation and gets discussion going.
As for why I didn't vote or pressure yomi, because I didn't feel he needed it. I knew what he was doing, and I felt he was coming from a town's perspective, if I had felt otherwise I would have pressured him.
@Yomi, again, it is second nature for me to right Villagers/Wolves, I have to consciously think town/mafia.
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Town:
Splinter
LazerMonkey
Mordanis
Mafia:
The_Zen_Man
Nreekay
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On April 28 2012 18:29 Pure-SC2 wrote:
I'm getting an off read on WhySoMuch, I don't really understand it so just going to post my thoughts in case someone else can make something out of it.
So we're playing a newbie game here, for people who've played 3 or less games. yet here he is so ingrained in his Wolves/Villages thing that he can't even proof read his posts to change it to reflect the fact we're playing Mafia here, on the TL mafia forums, in which everyone else is referencing mafia/scum and townies? How many games do you have to have played to get it that ingrained in your head? And after its been mentioned by a few people, why wouldn't he make any effort to do something about it?
Yet his posts seem well thought out and carefully worded.
He goes on and asks the most basic fundamental questions that can be answered by using the tiniest bit of logical thought (how to quote posts and view more posts on a page), which doesn't line up with the fact that his posts seem to be well thought out and logical.
I don't trust him. It's like he's playing this naive, simpleton role here so that he won't come under suspicion.
It's the same game, Y'all call it Mafia, We call it Werewolf. It's the same principal and I'm really confused why people are so caught up on it. This is newb game for people that have played 3 or less games ON THIS SITE. That is why I signed up for it, to get a feel for THIS SITE. So many things are different, such as requiring a Majority to lynch someone, that I think it was best to play a game like this before trying out the non-newb games. I have played over 100 games on the other forum using wolve/villager lingo, so to answer your question about 100 games to get it ingrained.
I am making an effort, every time you see the word Mafia or Town most likely I had to go back and erase wolf/villager. However sometimes I forget.
I didn't ask how to quote posts, I asked how to quote multiple posts, because on the other site, I can click a button and it will multi-quote for me. THis forum did not have it, and I was wondering what people usually do instead. As for the "All" button I probably should have figured that out, but again, on the other forum there is an option to change posts per page from 25 to 100.
On April 28 2012 18:52 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Yes, but on the other hand, that might be the point. Veriat might have written that so that people would stop suspecting him. But this is all theories. He was lurking for quite a while, and when people start suspecting him he suddenly shows up with some accusations. I find that very suspicious. For these reason, im going to vote for him.
##vote: Veriat
Also Veriat, as Pure-SC2 said, please tell me what about me is "fishy".
Whysomuch, could you give me a explanation to your vote?
I have explained my vote a gazillion times already. Just because I vote you again doesn't mean I have to have different reasons than before.
I am confused though, because Veriant looks extremely bad right now. Like all his reads are justs sponges and he has no original thought, so I'm pretty sure he's a wolf. Which means you likely aren't a wolf.
##vote: Veriat
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Actually, this is weird. All my townies are voting for the competing person I'm voting for
##vote: AcesAnoka
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On April 29 2012 04:00 Pure-SC2 wrote:
It does seem like an easy bandwagon forming on AcecAnoka which Lazer and Mordanis have jumped on without stating any reasoning other than lurking. So is this a lurker lynch then or do you think he's scum?
O.Golden_ne posted a good case against him which seems to have some merit, as has Splinter[eP].
That takes the count up to 4 on AcecAnoka I believe.
I was actually going to say the same thing, but the people on Aces seem more villagey then the people on veriat.
I think I like a veriat lynch better than an aces lynch tbh though.
Golden, Mordanis, Lazer: Would you be willing to switch to Veriat? The_Zen has posted his case, and also if you go back and read his posts on your own, what do you think?
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Yeah, the more I think about it, I don't like a Aces vote because:
1) He is showing a thought process, albeit a misguided one, It's there and it's hard for new wolves to show a thought process
2) Overall tone of his posts, I didn't get the feeling that he was being overly defensive when people were calling him scummy, and he didn't lash out back at them calling them a mafia. Which I think is pretty townie of him to do
On the other hand I do have a mafia read on Veriat, he looks really bad right now.
##vote:Veriat
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woops, sorry
##Unvote
##vote: Veriat
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Alright, this is the succession of posts that make Veriat look really dba
On April 28 2012 18:03 Veriat wrote:
Ok i know i have the lowest post count, but be mindfull that this is my first forum mafia game. And the reasoning behind my "only agreeing and disagreeing" posts, is because many of my thoughts have already been posted, so posting it again would just be repition, which most of the posts in the earlier pages pretty much were. And each time i go to check on the game, it has expand with a few pages, so there's been a lot of information to go through. So (watch out another agreement!) i would agree that i indeed do look very scummy atm.
But this was just an explanation on my behavior, i'll have my analysis posted soonish.
We need rto hear your thoughts. It is important that we know where you stand on people talked about in the thread, even if someone has already said it. I highly doubt you are having the same exact thoughts on the same people for the same reasons, and you can always add to the discussion by stating your thoughts.
The 2nd underlined, idk, I dont like the fact that you added the stuff in the perenthesis, just seems unecessary but meh, this post isn't wolfy, but putting this with the following post makes it look really bad.
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:
The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker
The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.
nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?
Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.
Your reasoning on The_Zen man is his stance on the "lynch no lynch" was the same exact stance you had. So idk why that would make you think he's a mafia. You see I could think that, cause we have opposing views on the matter, but you two were both on the side of "no lynch" so that doesn't make sense.
Your reasoning on nreekay, you called my playstyle off therefore why is it unreasonable for someone to vote me? How can I have an off play style and not be considered a mafia? That part is contradicting.
Your 3rd mafia read, Jailbreaker, I'm just calling shenanigans on this, why don't you point out the flaws?
Overall, there were no original thoughts in his reads and they were all sponges, which make sense because that's what he said in his earlier post. But what DOESN'T make sense, is that his sponges don't match his posts. His reasoning doesn't match up with what he says earlier, meaning that he is sponging just to sponge and not thinking about it.
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Also, Veriat, Who are your town reads at the moment.
Town reads are more important than Mafia reads.
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On April 29 2012 04:50 O.Golden_ne wrote:It's 5:38am where I am, i'm pulling an all nighter to correct my horrible sleeping patterns! Laddering hard to try to get to masters (ugh my ZvP is horrid). I'll be here for the lynch it seems. Though my comprehension at the moment is a little sub-par i'll try and function coherently! Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 04:03 WhySoMuch wrote:
Golden, Mordanis, Lazer: Would you be willing to switch to Veriat? The_Zen has posted his case, and also if you go back and read his posts on your own, what do you think? Veriat is my current 3rd scum-read, i would be happy to see him lynched. His behaviour and activity level isn't great as stated by several of the others. I cannot tell if he is town or mafia, but as a lurker i find him useless in the debate. In his inactivity lies his downfall, however with AcesAnoka and Nreekay it is their activity that has brought about my suspicions. Which leads me to question everyone in particular those voting for Veriat. If it comes down to AcesAnoka and Veriat do we lynch the flip-flop impulse voters who lurk and post fluff, or the absent veriat who 'stands firm' in his vote with the_zen_man and has otherwise done little. I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat. a very sleepy Golden.
This post is hella sketch.
Your happy to see him lynched but you won't vote him?
As far as I know only 1 person is voting him becuase of his lack of activity. I am not. When he has been in the thread, his posts have been extremely wolfy as I and others have pointed out.
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Woops, Change extremely wolfy to exteremly scummy.
On the other hand, people should start posting their town reads.
Right now mine are
PureSC
Mordanis
Yomi
JailBreaker
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Splinter is also a likely town
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I think that's 5 votes on Veriat
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If Veriat flips mafia, then I think it looks really good for Aces, Mafia wouldn't let two of their own become the top two wagons I don't think.
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On April 29 2012 05:50 O.Golden_ne wrote:
WhySoMuch,
What's 'hella sketch' about my post exactly if you don't mind me asking?
I've already stated the reasoning behind my lynch vote for AcesAnoka, I personally find his activity to be alot more suspicious than the inactivity which is what is making Veriat a suspect.
"Your happy to see him lynched but you won't vote him?" is answered here "I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat."
I will vote for him if we need too, but answer me this. Is Veriats 'wolfy' posts more detrimental to the team than AcesAnoka's?
Everyone please pay note to the response to this:
@WhySoMuch What is your read on me? Is my steadfast view on AcesAnoka more 'hella sketch' than your own flip flop voting? 3 Votes in such a short period has me curious.
Golden
I explained in my post why it was sketch. You saying you won't change your vote to Variat even though you are happy to see him lynched.
There are no detrimental posts, idk what you mean by that. Are Veriats posts more scummy than Aces? Yes, a lot more.
The bolded: Why are you so against voting him, like it's going to pain you to vote him, but if it's absolutely necessary you will when you said you would be happy to see him lynched. It doesn't make sense. If Veriat flips mafia, I am coming after you for being his partner.
And to answer your bolded question:
My read on you is that you are a mafia if Veriat flips mafia. Yes your steadfast view on Aces is more sketch than me flip flopping, what is so bad about flip-flopping? I'm showing I'm analysing posts in real time and drawing conclusions, then going back rereading and switching my stance. You are hesistant to vote someone you are "happy to lynch" and that's what makes your steadfast stance scummy.
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