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On April 28 2012 05:51 Mordanis wrote:Ummmmmmmmm, Right now Veriat is looking very supsicious. He has only 5 total posts (here is a link right here to his posts) First off, he has one of the fewest post-counts. Secondly, He's bandwaggoning quite a bit. He goes from his post from the start saying Show nested quote +As Pure-SC2 said, i share his opinion on the "no lynch" vote since this is a game full of newbies like myself, and there isn't all that information up in the air the first day, which we can use to base good lynches on. His next post Show nested quote +You make a good point Golden, lynching luckers would be a good alternative. We might also want to keep an eye out for people who make contentless posts, and as you said act "scummy" and then his third post Show nested quote +I noticed the same yomi, they are currently lurking. And back to the "lynch, no lynch" topic, yomi you make a good point is your previous 2 post. we can't just lynch for the sake of lynching, it needs to benefit the town. And just lynching a townie and not learning anything is just a waste. so personally i'd say lynch if suspicion be, and if not? i see no point in random lynching. Finally, he has his own opinion Show nested quote +I have to disagree with WhysoMuch
Lol no it wouldn't make me happy, but the information we gain from it outweighs the negative.
We don't get information from No Lynch because no one dies. The only way we get information is if there is a competing wagon against it, and in that case, that information isn't useful until that said competing wagon dies.
Even if nobody is lynched day1, we still gain a ton of imformation through our discussion. Even as we are discussing now, we are starting to get a picture on peoples view points, and where they stand. Sure we get more information when lynching, because we can start to analyse those who were for and those who were againts the lynch. But saying that no information is gained if we don't lynch is just false. Because we still get to anylase peoples behaviour. Unfortunately, a blanket anti-lynch platform seems very scummy to me. It gains the town nothing to wait and see who the mafia kills given how much time we have been given before the first day ends. If there were absolutely no way to guess who was scum, I'd agree that a no lynch is better than a totally random lynch. However, the first day seems a bit long so that we can have a very good discussion before our decision. + Show Spoiler [confession] +Yes, I have essentially flipped entirely from my earlier stance on lynching. I was however, under the impression that we were almost half-way to the first decision point when I first posted. I will do my best act on better information.
mordanis probably not scum
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On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:
The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker
The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.
nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?
Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.
how likely is it that veriat puts 3 townspeople in his scum list right before he dies?
this is the only mention he makes of nreeky that I could find in his filter.
he will be the next person i read
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I hear you guys don't like lists, but I dont care.
town > scum
SexDoll
Marvellosity
The_Zen_Man
Mordanis
WhySoMuch
Pure-SC2
Lazermonkey
nreekay324
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yoyoyoyoyo WSM
thoughts on enrique
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I'm very confident that nreekay is scum but will have a tough time convincing anyone. At best just trust me that my read is bangin after I die.
Read through all of his posts and the element of trying to figure things out isn't there. He's going through the motions and doing what he can to appear like he's hunting scum. Some things that stuck out for me were that:
1) he doesn't mention Veriat AT ALL on d1
2) once Veriat flips scum he tries to do a spew analysis which is a very easy thing for a scum to do because a lot of it will be very very subjective and it allows him to tailor his reads very easily to his own agenda. Not that reading for spew is inherently scummy, it's just that it's often the case that if the bulk of someone's work is spew analysis, theyre more likely to be scum.
3) he does stuff where he goes back and explains what he was thinking at a prior time. This is ANOTHER thing that scum can and will do often. This allows him to do something for a scummy reason, then go back and reverse engineer an explanation for his actions that evidence him being towny.
4) his weird vote on whysomuch at the very start of the game and his subsequent jokey explanation once he got heat for it. (he first gave some cursory explanation, then said it was just because he doesn't like twilight)
But really the read comes from a lack of genuine participation in scum hunting.
I also get teh feeling that the only person actually entertaining the idea that I'm not scum is the guy who made teh big case on golden, Marv. And that's not very good
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On May 05 2012 03:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm sorry for not posting in a while, I've been really busy IRL. Will be posting as fast as I can now!
Is this supposed to be sarcastic?
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On May 05 2012 05:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
Reading through the thread I see most people are suspicious of Golden/SexDoll. I wasn't sure that he was scum before but reading what everyones been posting I feel more convinced now than before. I havn't really been able to find any new things on him tho. I'm okay with voting him tho, as I still feel he have passed WhySoMuch on my scum-list.
Regarding The_Zen_Man - I feel my post was very rushed two days ago. What I meant to say was that The_Zen_Man didn't deserve his "untouchable" status he gained after D1. While it may be WIFOM to discuss I feel it is a great possibilty that he posted a case on Veriat in order to look contrubuting and all. That was how I feelt two days ago. After the day one lynch he have always been the one who jumps on teh bandwagon. First with WhySoMuch, when the vote then swang he quickly were in favor of a lynch Jailbreaker. He then jumps on SexDoll woth only a few hours left to post. His only arguement against Golden seems either to be WIFOM or saying that he wasn't contributing. All in all, if SexDoll flips scum I will be convinced that he is town. If not, I am quite positive to that he is scum.
give examples about the bolded as quickly as possible please
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On May 05 2012 05:35 Lazermonkey wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 05:25 SexDoll wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
Reading through the thread I see most people are suspicious of Golden/SexDoll. I wasn't sure that he was scum before but reading what everyones been posting I feel more convinced now than before. I havn't really been able to find any new things on him tho. I'm okay with voting him tho, as I still feel he have passed WhySoMuch on my scum-list.
Regarding The_Zen_Man - I feel my post was very rushed two days ago. What I meant to say was that The_Zen_Man didn't deserve his "untouchable" status he gained after D1. While it may be WIFOM to discuss I feel it is a great possibilty that he posted a case on Veriat in order to look contrubuting and all. That was how I feelt two days ago. After the day one lynch he have always been the one who jumps on teh bandwagon. First with WhySoMuch, when the vote then swang he quickly were in favor of a lynch Jailbreaker. He then jumps on SexDoll woth only a few hours left to post. His only arguement against Golden seems either to be WIFOM or saying that he wasn't contributing. All in all, if SexDoll flips scum I will be convinced that he is town. If not, I am quite positive to that he is scum. give examples about the bolded as quickly as possible please Basically marv's case.
that case was made a while ago and you said didn't find Golden scummy before, and you also just said that you're read on me changed because of "what everybody's been posting about me". EVERYBODY and HAS BEEN. plural and present tense.
it's likely that lazer is just jumping on me because I'm a very possible mislynch
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On May 05 2012 05:42 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:35 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Lazermonkey: It seems like this post is rushed as well. First tell me this, what is more scumlike, posting a case that convinces several people to vote for a scum, or voting for the other guy and lie about the circumstances of the voting?
Regarding my vote on Jailbreaker, that was done so that we would reach a majority.
Also, i was asked of an opinion of Golden/SexDoll, and when i was investigating him to form a opinion i found him suspicous.
Frankly, i feel like it is a waste of time to be answering to all of these accusations from you Lazermonkey, as they are often weak and lacking in many things. If you really want to prove that you are town, try to contribute with some analysis and cases. Obviously lying is. But that is not the point. And majority would've been reached with or without you vote. It didn't matter. Sure if we were one vote short and it was 15 minutes to lynch-time. But this was not the case. I don't think it's a waste of time. You've been 100% confirmed town since D1 and have had an insanly easy time to blend in. Yet if you ignore your case on Veriat I'd say you would be a very strong scumread for me.
it's veriat's case on zen more than zens case on veriat for me that makes him a likely villager
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On May 05 2012 05:49 The_Zen_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:42 Lazermonkey wrote:On May 05 2012 05:35 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Lazermonkey: It seems like this post is rushed as well. First tell me this, what is more scumlike, posting a case that convinces several people to vote for a scum, or voting for the other guy and lie about the circumstances of the voting?
Regarding my vote on Jailbreaker, that was done so that we would reach a majority.
Also, i was asked of an opinion of Golden/SexDoll, and when i was investigating him to form a opinion i found him suspicous.
Frankly, i feel like it is a waste of time to be answering to all of these accusations from you Lazermonkey, as they are often weak and lacking in many things. If you really want to prove that you are town, try to contribute with some analysis and cases. Obviously lying is. But that is not the point. And majority would've been reached with or without you vote. It didn't matter. Sure if we were one vote short and it was 15 minutes to lynch-time. But this was not the case. I don't think it's a waste of time. You've been 100% confirmed town since D1 and have had an insanly easy time to blend in. Yet if you ignore your case on Veriat I'd say you would be a very strong scumread for me. I am still conflicted on wether to vote on you or SexyDoll, as you are equally scummy. Could some other people post their views on Lazer and SexyDoll?
this is just so awful
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nreekay > lazer tbh
and I'm now of hte mind that thezenman being a villager is contingent on the fact that he doesnt really know what he's doing
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after today ppl need to take a long look at the possiblity of thezenman and veriat bussing each other.
that interaction is his only redeemable quality I've seen from him
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On May 05 2012 06:24 Pure-SC2 wrote:
I'm not really here (got 5 minutes before I have to go). I've just quickly read though the latest posts and it's moving really quick.
@Sexdoll - what do you find suspicious about me?
POE
I haven't read you much and have reasons to call the others townspeople
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WSM, removing everything Golden has done to this point, do you think i've been wolfy
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On May 05 2012 06:54 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, and did you read nreekay's filter like i said? do you not think is similar play to this game?
yes
there were similarities but subtle differences. don't have time to go into it.
my read is much less strong on him atm
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## Vote: LazerMonkey
lol spam filter making me wait to post
yay
once again, ppl are confusing golden's poor play for scummy play
this is a big leak in your games
you should probably try to fix it
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On May 05 2012 06:56 marvellosity wrote:
Please try to go into it
post that sticks out is one where he was talking about someone's role and was afraid of getting owned because he thought something they did was villagery but he thought if that person was good enough he could do it as scum. it shows a legit fear that new townspeople often have. haven't seen similar thought patterns in this game. not specifically that thought, but towny thoughts
im dead
you guys suck
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gg town
nice shot mordi
i do agree with WSM that vigs should be used as early as possible. getting killed before you get a chance to use it hurts a lot.
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EPT
