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On April 24 2012 20:14 Bluelightz wrote:Right now, I REALLY want to believe marv is scum, but I believe he is town, look at this: Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 05:32 marvellosity wrote:
Because I'm new and bad, obviously Would mafia be posting THAT unsafe? I feel like that marv didn't fear ANYTHING, so therefore he is town, Mafia wouldn't go like that (straightly pulling the newbie card) after being accused.
Here's the interesting part about you: You say that about every guy in this game and I already told you d1 I don't care about your townreads, that's a null. Scum can do that themselves because they know who is mafia and who is not.
so WHO do you think is mafia. You are against every lynch because EVERY guy is a townie according to you. Do you think this is some kind of 13 jester troll set-up done by Igrok or do you actually believe there are mafias within the 13 players?
Why do you always keep on telling us how everyone is town but completly ignore the fact that there are bound to be some mafias, yet you completly ignore that part of the game as far as I recall.
I haven't read your filter most recently because it was a bunch of nothing with some townreads every now and than mixed in but that's what I remember you for the most. A guy who keeps on telling everyone that everyone is town in this game.
How is that possible. Are you actually that much of a paranoid (well more the opposite of paranoid I guess?) townie or are you a mafia dodging accusations, talking only about your (easy to do) townreads who's not willing to give a single mafiaread?
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Nice list you've got there.
I basicly disagree with everyone on there except for my own name being green 8(
And no I was not exaggerating I probably just wasn't clear on what I was saying. You are not calling everyone a townie but you are calling everyone a townie you're talking about. Obviously you're not calling everyone ins this game a townie because you're not talking about everyone and I am totally fine with that method of scumhunting.
I am doing the very same thing (apparently with a completly different result) just that I don't tell people about everyone and why I think so because I want mafia to shoot those people I'm not sure about and not those I think to be town very strongly, which would render my work useless. Also I don't want to tell people why I think people are town because for the offchance that I am wrong I am giving mafia the key to manipulate me because they know what to do to make me think someone is town. Remember LI? Wherebugs said I am pretty sure to be town because I am making mistakes and I am being honest about those, telling people I don't have a case and I was transparent while VE was not. That was the best moment ever for me (although wbg had to do it at that point in time if he thought I am town because it was quite scarce between VE and myself). I figured that's the reason he thought so strongly about me as town but at that point in time I no longer cared about making sense at all, I only needed to look like that and I'm fine. Therefore I am not running around like a mad man telling everyone who is town and who is not.
Your 2 "scumreads" are something we can work with if you elaborate why you think so, so that we can actually understand what's going on in blue-Land.
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On April 24 2012 22:07 Bluelightz wrote:
Toad, could you elaborate in why you disagree with my reads? <3
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On April 25 2012 01:33 Radfield wrote:I was saying I was ok with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but didn't really see either of them as particularly likely to flip scum. ie, I was not going to push either, but I was willing to be swayed. My comments regarding no-lynch is that we don't get any truly tangible benefits from a no-lynch. For instance, imagine if by no lynching yesterday we would give ourselves an extra mislynch down the stretch(ie, push lylo from Day 4 to Day 5). In that situation, a no-lynch has tangible real benefits. When I said " it doesn't really do us any good", I did not mean that a no-lynch is bad. Simply that it literally doesn't do us a lot of good. In this situation, I think a no-lynch was better than a mislynch(which is not always the case). Not to mention that I was voting 5 minutes before the deadline in an obvious no-lynch situation 
I don't think it was that obvious. We had 4 votes on marv with all three of VE, prpl and yourself saying that you are willing to lynch marv. VE voted Sbrubbles to prove his willingness to lynch a lurker / marv (?!?!) and said he was fine with lynching marv. You because you were fine with it for whatever reason, I don't recall something specific there (!) and prpl because he wanted to avoid a no-lynch and out of nowhere 15 minutes before the deadline VE gets in here telling people he had a change of heart, you get in here voting a no-lynch as well, Ace gets in who had no proper clue about what was going on either, therefore voting some random guy who never was up for lynch.
You understand that I think the last 30 or so minutes before the deadline yesterday were pretty weird, don't you?
Not to mention that I still think marv is / was a good plan B, at least better than a no-lynch.
So basicly we were in a Situation were you (rad) tell people it's stupid to lynch a vet because they could be a strong town asset. Next thing happening is VE posting some crap like this:
On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion.
I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what.
What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank.
which basicly tells us that we don't lynch lurkers either, which brings me to the question:
Are you the bad guy manipulating VE when he is uncertain or is VE the bad guy using your uncertainty to get out of this for whatever reason (hint: in this explanation marv would be mafia)
It feels a little like you're behaving like blue, who's most recent post has to be the biggest troll ever, because I told him to stop calling EVERY SINGLE GUY in this game a townie and that we eventually have to lynch someone to get rid of mafia which finally gets him to post a scumread just to answer that one with another "yeah I guess I was wrong, that guy is a townie as well".
The difference here is that you are not blue. Neither is VE and one or the other is being manipulative imo.
--- Toad
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On April 25 2012 02:20 Sbrubbles wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 02:00 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 01:33 Radfield wrote:I was saying I was ok with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but didn't really see either of them as particularly likely to flip scum. ie, I was not going to push either, but I was willing to be swayed. My comments regarding no-lynch is that we don't get any truly tangible benefits from a no-lynch. For instance, imagine if by no lynching yesterday we would give ourselves an extra mislynch down the stretch(ie, push lylo from Day 4 to Day 5). In that situation, a no-lynch has tangible real benefits. When I said " it doesn't really do us any good", I did not mean that a no-lynch is bad. Simply that it literally doesn't do us a lot of good. In this situation, I think a no-lynch was better than a mislynch(which is not always the case). Not to mention that I was voting 5 minutes before the deadline in an obvious no-lynch situation I don't think it was that obvious. We had 4 votes on marv with all three of VE, prpl and yourself saying that you are willing to lynch marv. VE voted Sbrubbles to prove his willingness to lynch a lurker / marv (?!?!) and said he was fine with lynching marv. You because you were fine with it for whatever reason, I don't recall something specific there (!) and prpl because he wanted to avoid a no-lynch and out of nowhere 15 minutes before the deadline VE gets in here telling people he had a change of heart, you get in here voting a no-lynch as well, Ace gets in who had no proper clue about what was going on either, therefore voting some random guy who never was up for lynch. You understand that I think the last 30 or so minutes before the deadline yesterday were pretty weird, don't you? Not to mention that I still think marv is / was a good plan B, at least better than a no-lynch. So basicly we were in a Situation were you (rad) tell people it's stupid to lynch a vet because they could be a strong town asset. Next thing happening is VE posting some crap like this: Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion.
I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what.
What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. which basicly tells us that we don't lynch lurkers either, which brings me to the question: Are you the bad guy manipulating VE when he is uncertain or is VE the bad guy using your uncertainty to get out of this for whatever reason (hint: in this explanation marv would be mafia) It feels a little like you're behaving like blue, who's most recent post has to be the biggest troll ever, because I told him to stop calling EVERY SINGLE GUY in this game a townie and that we eventually have to lynch someone to get rid of mafia which finally gets him to post a scumread just to answer that one with another "yeah I guess I was wrong, that guy is a townie as well". The difference here is that you are not blue. Neither is VE and one or the other is being manipulative imo. --- Toad Toad, I've been wondering this myself. VE says he's up for lynching lurkers, votes me -> Rad says me and snarfs would be a bad lynch but would accept lynching marv or blue -> VE is convinced by that post that a no-lynch is better (huh?), votes no lynch -> Rad votes no lynch -> marv doesn't get lynched by 3 votes The thing is, even though I can see both of them as suspicious, I was getting the vibe (from the interactions between them) that they couldn't both be mafia, but I'm starting to rethink that. If one of them flipped red, do would think that would clear the other?
Disagree with you rethinking. It's like you (and I) just said, probably one of them is mafia and the other guy is town but yeah, both are suspicious and I'm not sure who's the townie and who's the mafia.
Both being mafia just makes no sense for some other reasons.
--- Toad
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On April 25 2012 05:31 Forumite wrote:
Do you two want to discuss anything before the deadline? I´ve been spacing out since the lynch, got to get back into the game.
what do you think happened yesterday
--- Toad
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I guess that means you won't discuss that. Any other stuff to discuss about? Do you want to ask questions instead? Do you want to talk about the weather? That's going to be hard considering we're in different places of the world,
--- Toad
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I think Zentor has a fairly decent point here
Not to begin with the fact that I was referring to the fact that we had 4 people voting marv and at least 3 more people saying they will vote marv and suddenly out of nowhere everyone screams no-lynch is the way to go. Sadly there's probably not enough mafia in this game to call everyone mafia who were defending their buddy which leaves me with the problem that either a couple of guys are manipulative and the rest is town or I am wrong about marv.
However, even if I am wrong that situation was highly strange. Why did everyone back off like that?
Anyways. Your turn of asking a question or turning the discussion somewhere else if you like.
--- Toad
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On April 25 2012 06:16 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:11 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I think Zentor has a fairly decent point here
Not to begin with the fact that I was referring to the fact that we had 4 people voting marv and at least 3 more people saying they will vote marv and suddenly out of nowhere everyone screams no-lynch is the way to go. Sadly there's probably not enough mafia in this game to call everyone mafia who were defending their buddy which leaves me with the problem that either a couple of guys are manipulative and the rest is town or I am wrong about marv.
However, even if I am wrong that situation was highly strange. Why did everyone back off like that?
Anyways. Your turn of asking a question or turning the discussion somewhere else if you like.
--- Toad To clarify, you think what happened was that Marvel is scum, he got too close to getting lynched, and everyone changed their mind and went for a no-lynch? I don´t know, it was very close to the lynch and we didn´t have a clear candidate, going for a no-lynch felt right at the time.
I don't know if marv is scum but I think some of the guys changing their mind last second seem pretty suspicious to me. I just don't know which of those. Radfield sounds like the best bet for tomorrow to me. He's basicly involved as mafia in every scenario I can think of.
But that's all under the assumption that we don't have 3 to 4 vets, all being town and all chickening out last second for their own reasons.
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On April 25 2012 06:39 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On April 25 2012 06:12 Forumite wrote:On April 25 2012 06:09 marvellosity wrote:On April 25 2012 06:08 Forumite wrote:
What was up with Marvel? Was it more than him avoiding attention? Cursory glance through his filter told me that he´s not very aggressive, but that could be because most of his posts have been used to defend himself from the lynch. Well, I could be more aggressive if you like. You big ninny. Any questions for me while we're here?  What do you think about snarfs? You and him are the only players I haven´t seen playing before. Having had a look through his filter, he seems to be posting quite normally. Perhaps s&b's case on him was a little forced on him after all. I found his going after me for my 'soft-defences' to be really quite odd. Snarf went after you for soft-defending? Meh, you are not the only one called out for soft-defending. Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:23 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 25 2012 06:16 Forumite wrote:On April 25 2012 06:11 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I think Zentor has a fairly decent point here
Not to begin with the fact that I was referring to the fact that we had 4 people voting marv and at least 3 more people saying they will vote marv and suddenly out of nowhere everyone screams no-lynch is the way to go. Sadly there's probably not enough mafia in this game to call everyone mafia who were defending their buddy which leaves me with the problem that either a couple of guys are manipulative and the rest is town or I am wrong about marv.
However, even if I am wrong that situation was highly strange. Why did everyone back off like that?
Anyways. Your turn of asking a question or turning the discussion somewhere else if you like.
--- Toad To clarify, you think what happened was that Marvel is scum, he got too close to getting lynched, and everyone changed their mind and went for a no-lynch? I don´t know, it was very close to the lynch and we didn´t have a clear candidate, going for a no-lynch felt right at the time. I don't know if marv is scum but I think some of the guys changing their mind last second seem pretty suspicious to me. I just don't know which of those. Radfield sounds like the best bet for tomorrow to me. He's basicly involved as mafia in every scenario I can think of. But that's all under the assumption that we don't have 3 to 4 vets, all being town and all chickening out last second for their own reasons. Was the case on Marvel that strong? What I saw at the time felt like it was more about him staying under the radar than him actually doing anything weird, on the other hand my readthrough was kind of rushed with just an hour before the lynch. There were a few players up for a lynch. If there were scum voting for a no-lynch, then it could have been to defend anyone of the frontrunners.
no the case wasn't strong, it was a Plan-B lynch. A "lynch the lurker" and I thought the other lurkers that were an option (zentor and sbrubbles) were more likely to be town than marv because they have stuff in their filter that makes them look townish. Marv on the other hand had not imo and kind of in Sandros opinion. Don't know what he thought about marv because he wasn't around at that time and still isn't but he thought the other 2 guys are town as well. I think marv's a little weird but I wasn't sure about him being mafia, neither am I right now, still thought it's a decent shot for a lurker.
Also he was the only lurker that never got some action. People attacked Zentor for being weird, people (VE) attacked Sbrubbles (god I have to c&p that name every time...) for being a lurker but noone attacked Marv. Why wasn't mafia using that opportunity at all, unless you think I am mafia.
That being said: fact that everyone was backing off like crazy paranoid people is weird above anything, no matter of marvs alignment.
And no, there were not a couple of guys taking votes. Marv had 4 votes and 3 people saying they're willing to vote him. the next guy had 3 votes and everyone else said they're not going to vote him followed by a bunch of 2 or 1 voters who noone was willing to support either. Marv was the only one who was at danger yesterday.
--- Toad
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My strongest mafia reads right now are rad + forumite + marv, just for the record. Rad being #1, unsure about forumite and marv is basicly a filler that makes sense.
Just in case of preemptive faceloseage.
--- Toad
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On April 25 2012 06:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
Freezing all night actions/action changes.
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