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shot night 1 so very much noob still | ||
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Hope I live longer....ObsQT is fun, but it's more fun mixing it up with everyone. >.> | ||
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On April 20 2012 09:11 yomi wrote: /in Ahhhh....we meet again. >.> | ||
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On April 20 2012 13:06 yomi wrote: hurry up and start this I have the mafia bug now Let me live for more than 1 night and I'll cure ya of that. >  | ||
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On April 21 2012 01:05 GreYMisT wrote: + Show Spoiler + GreYMisT is Coaching! SO? Do you want to learn to be a badass like this guy? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LzFCb.jpg) Well lets take a look at what he has that you don't! 1) A cool jacket Cape thing! 2) Smoke effects! 3) A Blue-Eyes White Dragon! Will these things help you in mafia? OF COURSE! Just Look at what people are saying about GreYMisT Coaching! "I can't believe I have met someone better at mafia than me" -Ace "This man...Is a God" -Foolishness "I kill GreYMisT BEFORE mafia games start, he's that good" -Palmar "He is clearly more attractive than the rest of us" -GMarshal Well what are you waiting for? Contact your local GreYMisT and GET YOUR BLUE-EYES TODAY! Bitch please! I AM THE KING OF GAMES. ##youactivatedmytrapcard | ||
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I better get a pre-invite. | ||
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On April 23 2012 06:10 MajuGarzett wrote: I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia. Why wouldn't someone need help this early? When I played my first game, I was bugging my coach a day and a half before it started. Not too many people have posted so far. Game started like 5 hours or so earlier than we expected, so I guess that's natural. But I will be checking to see who hasn't posted so we can start making people talk. The most important thing is for everyone to be active. If we allow people not to post, it also allows scum not to post, which is the easiest way for them to play. I would highly suggest that everyone make a notepad file or excel sheet and start keeping tabs of who they think is giving off townie and scummy vibes. As the game gets longer, it will be very helpful to have a quick guide to go back to for remembering how you felt about everyone. It will help you when you re-read filters as well to see how it lines up with the notes you've taken. As it stands, there are now 7 people who haven't posted yet. Last game we nearly lynched scum Day 1 because we had some really good discussion going right out of the gate. For example: Maju's idea to lynch lurkers. It's so standard that it's not even really worth discussing, BUT it's the only thing that's been brought up, so when you make your first post, post your thoughts on it. My personal thought is I want the game to be active enough that we don't have to, but if you won't talk, you can hang. Discuss! (P.S. Zealos stop acting so scummy, unless you *are* scum, in which case continue so we can lynch you first. <3) | ||
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##FoS: Zealos for being called out for scummy behavior last night and not responding to it. I'd like to see your responses to this accusation, and specifically why you think posts like: On April 23 2012 05:30 Zealos wrote: So you ask people the question to pressure them to make an answer, then follow by telling them that it was only to get them to answer. Nice. and other such 1 line responses are helpful to town and not indicitave of scum behavior. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yomi's play is already confusing. His first post was a random vote against a guy whose filter is reading very much like a first time town player (slightly clueless, but learning, active, and interested). His filter since then is full of gems like: On April 23 2012 10:13 yomi wrote: I'm not moving off maju atm he is a total dunce/mafia so not much lost if he ends up town anyway. On April 23 2012 11:31 yomi wrote: I'm voting for you because you are stupid or mafia but you cannot be a good townie. You don't vote to get rid of "dunces." You lynch to hit scum. If you don't think he's scum, there's no reason to vote him. On April 23 2012 15:36 yomi wrote: i told you why I voted for you. btw you are annoying i'm not talking to you any more for the next 12 hours More 1-liners and aggression. Yomi's filter reads like Scum 101 right now -- he started a fight with a player, mucked up the thread with a bunch of nonsense, posted a couple of 1-liners he thought might make him look townie, then disappeared and hoped people would look at Maju instead of him. It didn't work on me. ##Vote: yomi Yomi, if you'd like to rebutt, focus on hunting scum instead of your rabid defense and pointless bickering strategy. | ||
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On April 24 2012 05:16 yomi wrote: I'm not going to go through and run a search on all of you guys. post your dam games or at least say if you're played or not y/n how can this request meet so much disagreement and noncompliance? Doing your research is all part of the game. You should have already done this if you're town and trying to do meta-reads. Also quite the aggressive way to get people to do it. I'm not sure why you're trying to draw attention to the way people have played in the other games. You're posting is pretty close to how you acted in our last game (Newbie 8), where you were scum, and I also put my vote on you Day 1. Furthermore, posting metaplay in the main thread is distracting -- anyone who's interested has already done it, and if there's not a case being made based on it, it's pointless to bring it in without having a relevant discussion attached. It's entirely different if you're bringing up someone's filter from another game specifically to make a case. Without making cases, it's another way to fluff up your post count without actually contributing anything, plus it brings up easy ways to WIFOM and distract the thread into a meaningless discussion. Side note -- I'm loathe to do connection play this early, but I find it highly interesting that the only person so far to follow along with this idea of yours to post our game history is my 2nd strongest scumread right now. @Zealos, your filter still reads full of one-liners, a negative attitude, and a whole bunch of posting without saying anything. I'd like your best scum read so far, based on the information we have, and why? @imallinson -- you're lurking HARD right now, with only 1 post. Step up and contribute. Same question -- top scum read, and why? @oneplus -- same thing from you. You have a couple of very short list posts, with one particularly alarming bit: On April 23 2012 23:33 oneplus wrote: But I don't think Yomi is scum because it's simply too dangerous for scum to act in such way, high chance he will be lynch if he randomly target someone in this case who is Maju. If you haven't read the newbie guide yet, go look up WIFOM and read about it. Talking about motivations leads you in circles. So if yomi isn't a scum in your mind -- who is, and why? | ||
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On April 24 2012 14:52 mutant wrote: @ArcticFox: What does ##FoS mean? It's shorthand for "Finger of Suspicion". It means I believe he's scum and I'm keeping an eye on him. There's a nice list of all the often used abbreviations in the newbie guides. On April 24 2012 15:26 oneplus wrote: @Arctic, I don't fluff my post so it is always short and simple straight to the point, the more fluffy your post are the more scummy you are. Also, I think you didn't go through my post clear enough as you ask the question I have already answer which I said Zealos is a decent vote after trying to protect Yomi as his play is too aggresive to be mafia. It's all good to read other players past games but it is really bad to use the past information to convince people in the current one. You has also started to bring your previous game information into this one where you had voted yomi as one of the evidence to vote yomi. I never said you needed to fluff up your posts. I said that so far your 2 short posts hadn't said anything, and I was right. I wanted you to contribute more, which you've started to do. As for the "it's bad to use past information" part, showing connections to how someone acted when they were town/scum in a previous game is an important skill to have, and if it strengthens your case, it can be helpful to link it or show it. But blindly just linking all your past games is just an easy way to say you're bringing in information without actually adding anything relevant. It's a complete scum move. Now, with that out of the way -- my greatest concern this morning is that we have 3 people with votes on them, and the votes are all over the place. The lynch is an extended majority lynch, meaning with 12 alive, we'll need 7 votes to lynch anyone. The vote is in 10 hours. I would like us to get to a consensus on a good lynch target. I wouldn't be opposed to a no-lynch if there were no suspects, but we have 4 legitimate targets, and the field needs to be narrowed down. MajuGarrett -- The case has already been made against him, and I have my own opinions on it, but I'm far more interested in what he has to say in his own defense, so I want to see him post again before I jump to any conclusions. Zealos -- A lot of issue was made (started by me, actually) about his negative seeming comments at the start of the game. His last couple of posts show some effort, but again, I want to see what Maju has to say about the case before I comment on it. He still seems red, not a bad lynch choice, but I think there are better. yomi -- My case is clear, and has yet to be refuted. yomi's posting has become no better since then, and my vote remains here until I'm convinced otherwise. imallinson -- If yomi isn't lynched, this is my 2nd choice. He's posted once, said nothing of substance, and disappeared. Could be disinterested town, but he's playing much more like a lurking scum so far. We have 10 hours left, and we need more active discussion than what we've had. Let's step it up a bit. Specifically I'd like the people who haven't voted yet to place your vote somewhere so we can start narrowing down this list more. I'd also like Maju to say what he thinks of Zealos' case against him. I'd also like imallinson to say anything of substance. | ||
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On April 25 2012 01:00 yomi wrote: trying to hide information all true statements but you just made a meta argument yourself but this IS a connection play I don't think you get what this phrase "WIFOM" means. It doesn't mean you don't look at motivations. It means you don't confuse yourself with levels and levels of guessing games. "He knows that I know that he knows etc". The first one or two levels of guessing games are pretty much the only way to find mafia at all. Mafia will attempt to act in their best interest. Therefore if you identify a move you think benefits mafia, and someone makes that move, they are probably mafia. Do you agree with this reasoning? And if so how is it not "talking about motivations".[/QUOTE] Let's break this down step by step: 1) I'm not trying to hide information. All the information is out there. I'm saying I shouldn't do your work for you because you can't be assed to do it. Posting my game history when all you have to do is hit my profile and look at my posting and you can see the mafia games I've played in seems like a pointless way to add unnecessary information to the thread. 2/3) As I said -- posting a list of prior games and tallking about "well it could be important later" is pointless, because it's obvious. Specifically picking out the fact that someone acted the same way in a previous game as they do to this game is making a case, therefore relevant and not just filling up the thread pointlessly. Can you see the difference? 4) Also as I said -- I don't like making connections this early, but it was an interesting fact, and something to keep in mind for later, as it was relevant to my 2 strongest scumreads at the time. 5) Thanks for making my point for me. He said that it was SO obvious of a scum play that scum would never do it. That's why it's WIFOM. If it's an obvious scum play, then it's an obvious scum play. Therefore, by countering his argument, you're saying that what you did is an obvious scum play. Thanks for making my case stronger. | ||
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On April 25 2012 02:09 ForTheDr3am wrote: @ArcticFox: There is one thing I'd like you to clarify for me. What makes imallinson so different from other people who haven't posted a lot, such as insectoceanx or St.Daniel? Even mutant has basically only asked yomi questions that others have asked already. Insect has at least put a case together and voted for someone. I'd like to see more from him obviously, but you have to pick your battles. nreekay's filter reads a little thin too. St.Daniel is on the list of people who haven't voted or said a whole lot of substance. imallinson has posted 1 post showing what a few other people are doing, but since has disappeared and hasn't shown up in over 24 hours now. The difference to me is "little effort" vs. "no effort". He's just as likely to get modkilled/replaced though, so if your implication is that it would do us better to focus on people acting scummy, rather than those not acting at all, I can't argue against that. The ability to lurk without pressure is what killed us last game though -- I do not want a repeat performance of that. As mentioned, I would far prefer a yomi lynch. Zealos is a good choice too. And I seriously want Maju to show up and say something to the case brought against him. | ||
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St.Daniel -- Still need to hear from you, and need your vote. (Question for Mods -- if someone doesn't vote, does that mean we only need 6 to lynch? (since it's only 11 voting?) or does it just count as a "no lynch" vote for voting purposes and we'd still need 7?) I think at this point we can safely narrow it down to yomi or Zealos for lynch candidates tonight. For those who have a vote that isn't on either yomi or Zealos -- can you be persuaded to vote for one of these targets instead so Day 1 isn't a no-lynch? Or is a no-lynch a better idea in your mind? If so, why? For those currently voting Zealos -- I know at least a couple of you also have yomi as your second strongest scum read. What would it take to persuade your vote over to yomi? If we end up with a no-lynch because people are opposed to either yomi or Zealos based on insufficient evidence, that's fine, if questionable (and as mentioned, I'm against it since we have solid targets), but it means that the decision to no-lynch was made. But if we just end up with a no-lynch because people didn't bother to check the thread before the deadline, then we're in serious trouble and making mafia's job incredibly easy. | ||
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On April 25 2012 07:51 yomi wrote: ya look how little content we've generated so far. I flamed people for spamming last game because the activity level made me very nervous as mafia. I knew I would have to post a lot. You guys are letting them fit in with the other lurkers easy mode. If you have suggestions on how to get the town to post more, I'm all ears. I've called out several people by name, but I can't put pressure on all of them at once if they all refuse to post more than 1 or 2 lines once or twice a day. =/ There can't be 6 scum in the game, but that's the level of activity I'm seeing in the filters. On April 25 2012 07:46 St.Daniel wrote: ##Vote: yomi The vote is nice, but...do you have anything extra to add to the subject? Any other reads to share with the town since this is the first thing you've said in a day and a half? | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:03 yomi wrote: I voted for the biggest lurker and made a (small) case against him /shrug dont know what else to do So who else can you put a case together against? So far you've spent a day calling Maju a dunce, then another randomly jumping around throwing suspicions toward a bunch of different people as soon as the votes started piling up on you. You started to put together some info on mutant, cobbling together a trumped up case that didn't really say much of anything. You voted imallinson only after I'd already posted about him, which looks like a desperation move from my perspective. If you do get lynched tonight and flip green, you know we're going to go over the contents and look at what you've said. If you want to make a contribution, now's the time to start. I'm still convinced you're going to flip red though, as nothing you've said so far has made me believe you're acting in the best interests of town. | ||
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Dracolich70, Zealos, insectoceanx, nreekay324, oneplus -- Are the 5 of you ok with a no-lynch based on the information we have? It's on one of you to switch your vote to yomi if you want his lynch to go through. Otherwise we get to go through this whole routine again on Day 2. "Sorry I missed the deadline," won't be an acceptable excuse, either. With ~54 hours played, we have more than enough activity information to really start pressing the lurkers hard on Day 2. Inactivity only hurts the town. Speaking of -- St.Daniel, I'm still waiting on you to post something more substantial after a day and a half abscence. | ||
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That quote *was* originally mine btw. It keeps getting credited to nreekay and I don't appreciate it. >.> On April 25 2012 10:07 yomi wrote: you are being way way way way too passive right now. post. a lot more. don't let anyone lurk. make them just post whatever's on their mind. this is SUPER stressful for mafia. mafia have to re-read their posts 10 times before posting and are super super careful about everything. making them have to give an opinion on everything is awful for a mafia. so punish (really punish, not just threaten) the lurkers hard and anyone that won't come out with near-constant lists of their reads on everyone and why. mafia hate hate hate that environment. on the other hand don't let it get super cluttered. just make everyone come out with frequent clear posts. last game you guys really almost had us on day 2. it was super scary how the posting was going. very organized, very clear, very concise. I just managed to discredit xatalos to win it but otherwise you guys had us made, many of the lists had 3 or 4 players picked of which 2 were mafia. firm, aggressive, but reasoned and frequent posting is mafia's enemy. Really good advice that I don't want to go unnoticed. Our last game had over twice the amount of posting by this time, and it's hard to scumhunt when half the thread is inactive. On April 25 2012 10:07 yomi wrote: I'll excuse it in AF b/c he played the last game w/ me and I am playing this one very similarly and he has a little grudge against me I guess from last game. No grudge, but the pattern is eerily similar. My primary point was that, yes, it was similar to your scum posting, but more importantly, a town has no reason to act that way. If all your posts were as useful and reasoned as these past few, nobody would even be thinking of lynching you. The problem I have is now you've already acted this way, and now *this* is an inconsistency. I'm curious to see how this turns out now. 35 minutes to lynch. If you survive, I wouldn't be surprised, but I would need an effort much more like these past few posts before I started trusting you as town. | ||
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On April 25 2012 10:38 insectoceanx wrote: Let's hear some more from the lurkers in the thread on the next day. I guess we shall see if yomi is town or not. You're one of the lurkers, you know. Is this all you have to say about it? | ||
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I guess we'll know for sure in a few minutes. I'm going to be extremely disappointed in your play if you flip green. | ||
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 As promised, I'm extremely disappointed in your Day 1. I see your thought process, but it's too antagonistic to get people to trust you.Unfortunately, the result of that is that we've lost an extremely active townie, in a game where most people are lurking like it's the Brood War. Going mostly silent for the Night. I'll post something close to the deadline, in case I'm shot. | ||
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On April 25 2012 11:03 nreekay324 wrote: @ yomi- "mafia play to survive, town plays to win" right? Speaking of lurkers....why the hell were you silent until just now? I will be coming after all the lurkers on Day 2. Be ready. | ||
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On April 25 2012 15:17 Gossemerr wrote: Please don't do this. Post as much as you can. We need to be active if we want to make an accurate assessment on people's alignments. NOBODY should be worried about dying or saying anything that might get them killed. An active town discussion is what we need. Not posting allows the scum to just sit around without having to contribute. So, lets get the discussion's, analyses, and POST-based cases going starting this night. Welcome to the game, Gossemerr! God that was hard to spell. I'ma call you Goss so I don't have to spellcheck it every time I try to type it out. In general, posting at night doesn't help town out a great deal. Anyone with a blue role should know by now what they're going to do, and mafia are discussing amongst themselves who they're going to shoot -- most of the time, any information given out during the night just helps them to make this decision. However, the game has been so inactive thus far that I'm not entirely opposed to lurkers showing up and trying to make themselves useful, so long as the posting also continues into Day 2. On April 25 2012 20:06 oneplus wrote: The only thing i feel abit suspicious about ArcticFox is he is too active at the deadline which could be either way. If you'll notice, hardly anyone was active at the deadline, except for me and yomi. In an ideal world, every single town would be active at the deadline. If the vote is already going scum's way, there's little reason for them to show up -- mislynch or no-lynch are both a success in scum eyes, though obviously a mislynch is better for them. insectoceanx will be getting a lot of heat tomorrow based on that last minute vote switch coupled with his hardcore lurking. After posting exactly 2 things in the course of 2 days, only one of those being useful (a post making a case vs. Zealos and saying "yomi is acting very suspicious"), he comes in and does a vote switch after yomi was already starting to look much more townie in the last few minutes, then refuses to explain anything except: On April 25 2012 11:07 insectoceanx wrote: I think zealos is the greatest chance of being scum at this point but yomi is close behind and I changed my vote to him for the sake of getting a lynch. Which he posted *after* the lynch already went through. It put me in a very difficult position, as I was the only one online (if you actually buy nreekay's post about being online exactly 3 minutes after the deadline came up, which I strongly have my doubts about) at the deadline, so it left it to me as to whether the yomi lynch passed or not. It's kinda hard for me to fault him though...if yomi had posted something that useful even 2 or 3 hours sooner, with enough time to cycle through a few people who came online, we'd very likely be looking at Zealos' flip today instead of yomi's, as Zealos was certainly the stronger scum read at deadline. Again, I'm very disappointed in yomi's play that spent too long "setting up his trap" that nobody fell into and not enough time showing us that he was town. That will be my last comment on the yomi issue. We know his alignment now, and that's important. Day 2's agenda will involve heavy pushing of lurkers and include a re-analysis of Zealos' behavior, including why he also decided to lurk instead of making himself useful at deadline when he was one of the top 2 scumreads for town. Again, a much longer and more detailed analysis post will come near deadline (I've already posted more than I wanted to for a night cycle  ), in case mafia decides to take me out, so you'll have a baseline of my thoughts to work from. Lurkers, I would not be opposed to you making yourselves useful, as you will be the first ones I call out. | ||
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On April 26 2012 00:10 Zealos wrote: I lurk at deadline as I am asleep during that time. It's gonna be like that for most days/nights, sorry about that. I agree that you should look over my posts so far if nessesary, and I am happy to respond to issues' - Provided I am awake at the time. I would say, don't post too many big reads until right before the night deadline, so as not to influence the scum hit. That's what I will be doing. So which is it? Will you be asleep at the deadline or will you be posting your scum reads right before the deadline? Mainly because you haven't said anything in over a day, lurking on a day where you were on the hot seat for a lynch, I would be interested in hearing your scum reads relatively soon. | ||
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insectoceanx Gossemerr (as St. Daniel's replacement) mutant zealos imallinson So far, the above list of players REALLY need to step it up and make mafia's job harder. oneplus and nreekay are starting to post more, but I'm still keeping an eye on them, as they were more or less inactive for the first half of the game. That means out of 11 alive players, Five are able to be picked out as lurkers for sure, and two are on the edge. That makes mafia's job of blending in so much easier. At bare minimum, 4 of these players (likely 5 or 6) have to be town. Until you start posting, there's no way to pick out the mafia from the town. I don't even mind you guys posting at night, because it would be posting something to work with. What shouldn't be posted right now would be things like your strongest town reads, or instructions to blue players. That's information mafia will use to decide on their night targets. If you wish to use town reads to make your case, it would be more beneficial to town if you wait until close to deadline for this (there are few times I would publicly post a town read, the notable exception being if they're under pressure for a lynch and I'm almost certain they're actually town) What SHOULD be posted right now -- your strongest scum reads. Anything you find odd about someone's play. Thoughts on yomi's filter, as he is our only confirmed town (concentrating more on the latter half than the earlier half, unless it's specifically about people's reactions to the first half). Thoughts on the arguments going on between Maju, Dracolich, and Dr3am. Thoughts on insects' last minute switch to yomi, and my and nreekay's reactions to it. There are SO many topics to pick from, just pick something and start making a logical, reasoned case about it. If you're town, you have nothing to lose from posting like this -- not posting because you're afraid of looking dumb just makes it easier for the scum to hide in the shadows and not expose themselves. | ||
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On April 26 2012 04:03 insectoceanx wrote: If you werent going to be around you wouldnt be around, if you were gonna be around why wouldnt you just keep posting. Simple answer here -- most of the advice I've gotten says and from my previous readings I've seen that not a lot usually gets done at night, so I typically avoid posting anything major at night to not give mafia as much information to work with. However, as thin as the posting has been, I reconsidered and decided that any move that would serve to make that discussion even *thinner* probably wasn't a good move. Thus, the increase in posting to try to spark discussion. nreekay as town and dream as scum are interesting reads to me. I'd like you to elaborate on these for me if you wouldn't mind. Specifically, nreekay reads as a null to me, as there's not really enough information there for me to say either way (plus popping up 3 minutes after the deadline is extremely curious, and would lean more scum than town to me). Also, Dr3am is one of the more active posters we have in the thread (granted, nothing in the last 24 hours...which should say something about the thread activity level, if he's not in my lurker list....). With the hard stances he's taken on everything, and the not being afraid of asking people pointed questions, what specifically about his posting is troubling you enough to make him your #1 scum? Thanks for contributing. It's a start! Let's get everyone involved and posting! Share that info! | ||
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On April 26 2012 05:40 insectoceanx wrote: The two lines that I bolded out of his filter I thought could be a little telling. If he is red, he saw an opportunity in yomi as everyone else saw yomi as possibly scum, yet no one had voted for him yet so twice he made comments about how the fact that no one was voting for him seemed like he was scum. Perhaps he was worried he would lost an opportunity to get a townie lynched the first day. FTD explain what you meant by those two bolded statements above and now that yomi is gone who do you suspect? And your thoughts on nreekay? You've said you thought he was town, but have given no reasoning thus far. | ||
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On April 26 2012 06:57 ForTheDr3am wrote: @ArcticFox: I'm very thankful that you try to get the lurkers posting, but I am surprised you have not given a lot of your opinions on other people apart from that. I know, or rather feel, myself that it is hard though, and I hope your deadline post will shine more light onto that. It's entirely my intention. With the amount of lurkers we have though, I had no intention of quickly posting my scumreads and allowing an easy rewording of my thoughts/bandwagoning of my ideas. We have few enough original posts as it is. My current goal is to get discussion flowing so people have enough to talk to each other about in case I don't live through the night. Plus, as it stood, with 10 other people alive, I had 7 marked as lurkers. It's really freaking hard to give opinions based off of that. I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt, though, as the majority of lurkers by definition have to be town. Furthermore, my views on who have been acting suspicious haven't changed much since yesterday's posting -- Zealos was aggressive then went into lurk mode, imallinson is still coasting with 2 posts, and oneplus's contribution since my pressure on him have been a bunch of summary posts with no actual meat or new ideas introduced. With the lurkers not contributing, it's hard to add any new analysis to that. | ||
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Zealos -- Still my top scumread. His first few posts were full of aggressive attacks, followed by a case on Maju that was a trumped up load of crap that Maju deflected fairly well, and his total contribution since has been a post to excuse his lurking. There's been flat out no analysis, just a bunch of attacks and excuses. imallinson -- 2 posts -- one of which was a throwaway post, the other a useless list of obvious points and parroted cases that were already made. He needs to be pushed HARD to contribute something actually worthwhile. oneplus -- As mentioned already, his only contributions have been a defense of yomi (while mentioning that he's acting like scum, but still calling him town), followed by a summary post. It's a bunch of useless throwaway while trying to say "I don't fluff my posts," while doing nothing but making a single fluff post in the last 24 hours. This guy reeks of scum right now. @insectoceanx -- I still have my doubts about you based on how the yomi lynch worked out, but you've doubled your post count today so I want you to keep that up. Your reads for the most part boggle my mind, and have little to no reasoning behind them. It's another curse of doing list posting like that -- if you try to analyze every player of the game at once, you put pressure on nobody, scum really don't have to answer, and you give mafia a really good idea as to which townies are looking most townie. My best advice is to focus on your 1 or 2 best scum reads and make them answer every question you throw at them, while poking the lurkers with a stick to make them active. Other issues -- nreekay's posting is apparently fooling some people into thinking he's saying something. He hasn't. He made a summary post on Zealos's actions. He showed up 3 minutes after the lynch and took a jab at yomi. He also pulled the same summary post deal that Oneplus did. It's useless. It's either a clueless town or complete scum move. He needs to be pressed tomorrow. The Maju/Dracolich bullshitstorm that is swirling between them seems to me to be two townies reading too much into each other. The fact that nobody has really stepped in to take sides on it points to mafia not wanting to get terribly involved in it, and the cases themselves are full of nothing but air. I hope they stop the bickering and get back to the scumhunting. You can consider anyone I don't mention to either be a town read or a null/lurker read. At this point, add mutant to the lurker list, and move insectoceanx to the semi-lurker. Keep pressing everyone to post. Ask direct questions if you want direct answers, making long listy posts of your reads is generally pointless because scum feels no obligation to answer, while overzealous town feel like they have to defend themselves and you end up bickering amongst each other while the scum can sit back and laugh. Specifically, if I am going to ask questions: imallinson -- why should we not lynch you tomorrow? You've been 100% worthless to town so far. oneplus -- Do you have any actual analysis to add? The list. summary, and parrot posts are scumtells to the core. Where are your actual cases? zealos -- You've hidden long enough. Best scum read and why. And a real case this time, not the trumped up load of crap you tried to make stick to Maju. lurkers -- STEP UP AND POST. Town has no reason to be afraid. Post loud and strong, and it will force the scum to not use lurking as a weapon. Mafia are not winning this game so much as town is just pissing it away right now. Scum fears activity. Be active. We can't catch scum if we don't force them to do anything, and we can't force them to do anything while half the town is silent. | ||
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@Zealos -- If you're going to try to discredit the case against you, post the whole case. My argument wasn't that you were aggressive, it was that you are aggressive in an unhelpful way, that you lurked hardcore, and have made a grand total contribution to town of one case on Maju that's about as watertight as the Titanic. That fact that you "didn't vote for the wrong person" means absolutely nil. I can give good town and scum reasons both for not voting yomi. "I made a crappy case against Maju then disappeared from the thread." is not high on the reasons to believe you're town. Step it up and post something useful. Specifically, answer the questions mutant listed that we've been trying to get you to answer for 2 days now. @oneplus -- Why would I like that post, exactly? Analysis of voting patterns with no conclusion, discussion of blue roles that we can't be sure of, and trying to argue why the guy who flipped town is a town (huh?). It's a bunch of useless junk and moreover, I still have NO clue who you think is scum. How is that helpful? I sincerely hope your next post is better. @Maju -- Lists are nice, but press your case. Who is your top scum? Why so? Nobody has any reason to answer to anything in your post right now, including Dracolich, who you posted a lot to but never even asked him to post anything in return. If he's reading scummy to you, press him to answer something. If not, end the circular arguments and defenses that, frankly, give me a headache when I try to decipher you two's posts, and focus your efforts on unearthing a scum. Other than that, keep up the activity level and don't disappear on us again. >.> @Mutant -- At night you can make good reasoning for not posting analysis (though in this game's activity level, I'm for you posting your analyis whenever you damn well please), but during the day there's almost no reason to not post your reads. Be brave, be bold! I like that you have strong opinions, I just want to see them more often. Your reads at this moment line up very well with mine. Keep it up and feel free to press the people who answer your questions if you don't like their answers. That's everyone. 5 more people who haven't posted yet today. GET ACTIVE. | ||
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On April 26 2012 23:25 sandroba wrote: Hey if anyone needs someone to bounce off ideas I'll be glad to be of service! Use these coaching resources if you're only not posting for fear of not being useful. As we've been saying countless times -- the only people who should fear posting are mafia. If you have a read on someone, make it. More information isn't a bad thing -- if we agree, we'll tell you, if we don't, we'll argue with you. That's how this game works. Be active! It's the only way we're going to make progress in this game. | ||
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On April 27 2012 00:49 Zealos wrote: I suppose you're allowed to ask for a coach at any point? There are 5 coaches listed in the newbie section of the first page. Just shoot a PM to any one of them. So far none of them have bitten me. >.> Coaches so far have been giving general good advice on what to look for, rather than getting player specific. The idea is to get us all to think correctly about what we're doing, rather than give us what they're actually seeing. I have a feeling we wouldn't have lynched yomi if they could come right out and say what they think. But that's why we're all in a newbie game. It's only my 2nd game, I'm still working on my reading abilities. But it's nigh impossible to tell the town lurkers from the scum lurkers when nobody's bothering to post. | ||
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On April 27 2012 01:16 imallinson wrote: A case for Draco being scum: ----- ##Vote: Dracolich70 On April 27 2012 01:16 GMarshal wrote: Replacement found, Stossel replaces Dracolich70. Did anyone else laugh incredibly hard at this series of events? I couldn't help it. I laughed only to not cry. XD Any opinions on people other than Dracolich (Stossel now)? What are your thoughts on Zealos? oneplus? Any other scum reads you have that we should be made aware of? | ||
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On April 27 2012 01:35 Zealos wrote: Arctic, do you have any response to my thoughts? I'm in agreement on Maju insofar as his posting hasn't been solid enough. I don't read it as scummy simply because he's been open with his reads, but it's enough to take notice and expect more -- you'll notice I made this argument earlier today. I'm reserving judgement until I see his response and some solid reads rather than the listy posts he's done so far. I'm also more or less in agreement on Dr3am. I'm thoroughly looking forward to him putting forth analysis for today about what's gone on so far, especially in light of nreekay's flip. imallinson is the easy lurker pick. I have no arguments here, even after the post on Dracolich, in which he gave his opinion on one player and nothing else after being gone for 2 days (and it's the same posting technique he used in NMM8, though he's far less active in this game, probably because the average activity level is low enough he thinks he can get away with it). draco, on the other hand, has shit up the thread plenty, then suddenly disappeared (now we know why the lurky part happened.) I don't have much to say on this until his replacement starts contributing. Right now there's a lot of people out for blood on Draco, so we'll have to see if Stossel can do anything to alleviate that, or if this bandwagon will still gain steam. My main problem with the suspicion on Maju and Draco both is that they pretty much went at each other's throats, which is an odd move for scum to do when neither of them are really up for vote -- it's very likely either double town, or 1 town/1 scum, and highly unlikely that both are scum. We have 3 replacement players with a grand total of 1 post between them. I'm hopeful they'll be active and contributive. As for you, It'll take more than one post to get you off my scum radar, but it's a start. Keep up the activity. I'd like your opinion on oneplus's activity so far as well. | ||
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On April 27 2012 04:53 Zealos wrote: You guys: With 16 or so people in the game, suspecting the same people as others, and have similar reasoning cannot be seen as scummy surely. If you want something original then here goes: You're scum before you use @'s in your posts. I am doing it right? What is this post? What possible town motivation do you have to make this post? It makes an acceptable point, but it's a terribly aggressive response to the perfectly valid criticism from Dr3am that you made us wait 2 days for a fairly light post. This is not the productive style of posting that town needs. This is the type of aggressive post that gets you knee-jerk lynched. Stop it. | ||
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On April 27 2012 05:30 Zealos wrote: It was trying to make the point with an example. I didn't intent it to come out that aggressive, my apologies. I think we'll all calm down a bit once the replacements and last straggling lurkers come back and post, so we have something more to work with. Right now we're going in circles with stagnant information, and some fresh perspective might shine some light on things. As of right now, I can't think of any clear reason not to lynch imallinson tonight. | ||
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Now, I think we've given people ample time to show up and be useful. I'm more than ready to lock in my vote. ##Vote: imallinson He's almost made it his job to be useless to town. Had absolutely no opinion on anybody in town in his big summary post ("seems town, seems scum, null read, might be scum" etc etc -- you can check his filter and read it, it's not hard to find in his 4 posts), except for yomi, who he bandwagoned onto very easily. He had an FoS on Zealos after that, then decided to make his 3rd post on....Dracolich? He has volunteered no other opinions seperate from when I asked him directly about Zealos and oneplus, and his post there was STILL the "leaning town" and "fairly scummy" non-commital posting style he's done. In short, he's posted little, and what he's posted says nothing. He's scum and needs to hang. | ||
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I encourage everyone to start getting your votes in. We're over halfway through the day, and there's been some talking, but no voting. My vote's set and unlikely to change unless someone can really come up with a good reason why we shouldn't target imallinson. If you have a different read you'd rather see lynched than imallinson, post your cases and lay your votes tonight. With 10 of us alive, we need 6 to agree to a lynch, and 3 of the remaining players are scum -- we have to be near consensus on a scum target to push the lynch through. | ||
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On April 27 2012 15:43 oneplus wrote: Surprisingly many of you has started to vote for immallinson but still think that zealos chances of being scum is quite high and have him inside you scumlist. I got no idea why why Zealos is always in the FoS list and scumlist and no one going to vote for him. I can see that immallinson is not contributing much and lurk pretty much. But same for Mutant suppose to be Ydriel now who has not post a single thing after the replacement. Insectoceanx has also coming out recently and been lurking pretty much but he don't sound so scummy for me yet. @Arctic, You are my no.1 favourite townread. Mind to explain why Immallinson is a better lynch than zealos? ##Vote: Zealos Along with most other people, I'm fairly convinced that both are scum. imallinson has basically given up on posting anything, so keeping him alive serves no purpose. It's not just that he lurks, it's that when he finally does post, the posts have 0 content. Zealos, on the other hand, is still posting -- mind you, he still insists that the only thing that marked him as scummy was his aggression at the beginning, and feels no need to explain why over the past 3 days he's come up with a single list of reads that really didn't bring any new information to the table. He also continues to be aggressive without actually posting anything but continual over-defensive posts saying he's sick of being pointed out as scummy. As mentioned, I could possibly be talked into Zealos today and imallinson tomorrow instead, but nobody's really brought up a good reason why we should do so. To me, and judging by most of the posting I've read, imallinson is the slam dunk today, and then we can hang Zealos tomorrow. So let me turn that around on you -- you don't even have imallinson in your list of lynch candidates for today. Why is that? Do you believe imallinson is actually town? Or do you have a null read on him? Or is there some other reason we shouldn't hang him today? | ||
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On April 28 2012 04:18 ForTheDr3am wrote: Between Zealos and imallinson, one thought I had is that Zealos clearly isn't disinterested in the game - however, his main interest is insisting that suspicions against him are unfounded. The bandwagon against imallinson is going too fast currently. I did say that he was one of my prime suspects too, as his posts really looked as if he pretended to contribute, but now we are comparing that to people who don't even do that (and to a very defensive Zealos). I really want to hear from those. Our replacements have yet to vote. They're 4 hours away from a modkill. If they're all town, it's an autoloss if that happens, unless the imallinson lynch goes through. Which also won't happen if they're all town. We need 2 more votes to push the imallinson lynch through. imallinson won't vote for himself (and likely won't show up anyway), so that leaves Dr3am, oneplus, and (hopefully) the replacements. We're almost certainly hitting scum with this lynch. I don't see the downside to an imallinson lynch, unless your read is neutral/town on him. If he's scum to you, it should be an easy lynch -- I'm unsure of why it matters that we lynch Zealos first. For what it's worth, Zealos is at the very least active. It's enough to put a *hint* of doubt to his scumminess in my mind. A further reason I'm more comfortable with an imallinson lynch. Also the fact that with 4 hours left and the activity level of the thread, a change to a Zealos lynch at this point would be impossible. | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:13 Zealos wrote: I really genuinely want to know what the current suspicions against me are. I may sound like a broken record, but I'd quite like to clear my name for future posts. I gather it's just from a lack of content so far? You do sound like a broken record. I could not be more clear about this. You have no content, and your tone goes back and forth between abrasive/abusive and friendly townie, plus you didn't post anything for 2 straight days, saying "oh the content's coming, oh I'm just waiting for deadline....no wait, I'm actually asleep at deadline," then when the grand post came around, it said nothing new, and you've made no action to question people since then, only asking our opinions of your opinions, and bristling every time someone mentions you're scum. How exactly are we supposed to react to that kind of player? | ||
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Also what, to you, constitutes scummy behavior, if it's not lurking hard, posting no content, and waffling back and forth between being helpful or "being a dick" as you say. | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:47 Zealos wrote: Even if he isn't scum, it'll send a neat little message to anyone else that thinks they can slip under the radar. Not sure how it sends that message when half the thread is doing it. We lynch to hit scum, not send messages. | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:36 Zealos wrote: It seems all you've done recently is question and complain about me, along with half the thread (The other half attacking Immalision) How can accuse me of only attacking you when I've called out EVERY lurker and asked questions of every single person who's posted in the past 3 days? O.o The only reason you feel like you're being tunneled is because you keep saying that ONE post cleared your name. It didn't. It made you seem a *little* less scummy. Then you attacked dream with some sarcastic bullshit when he made a valid point against you. That makes you more scummy. Then you kept defending yourself, badly, without asking any new questions, cluttering up the thread with worthless shit. That makes you MORE scummy. It's frustrating how much you just flat out don't get it, and I almost wish I'd voted you instead of imallinson when I had the chance. I have to wait for tomorrow for your lynch now and keep hearing you repeat the same thing over and over and over. My 3rd scum read behind you and imallinson is either oneplus or insectoceanx. Both have given me a lot of reason to be suspicious of them, and I outlined why in my post at the end of Night 1. If I had to pull the trigger on one of them at this exact moment, it would be insectoceanx. He's able to slip by posting trash that nobody's really looking at because the only conversation that's getting had is how scummy you still are. | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:13 Zealos wrote: Alright well, I think I'll go back to lurking. People seem safer there, as opposed to the classic - More Activity = More Scummy mindset that occupies newbie games. The only reason that I keep defending myself, is that you keep attacking me. I have to say though, the people who don't respond when you call them out are much more likely to be town and we should all use them as a shining example. In fact, why would a townie ever even post in this game? It's so scummy afterall. (Yeah, I'm back to being aggressive) And it's these pointless gems that make you scum. If you're town, you're not playing to win at all. | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:19 Zealos wrote: You really don't get it at all do you? It's irritating running round in circles with you while everyone else sits back with popcorn in hand. So yeah, those posts don't help town at all, but I'm annoyed, so I'm not in the mindset to care right about now. Then go somewhere, wash your face, relax, and come back when you're useful. If you're actually town, giving us more ways to think you're scum is ridiculous. | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:14 Zealos wrote: Ofc, me being aggressive is a mafia trait, not a character one, so you should totally vote for me and not worry about anything else. Do you *really* want me to go meta on you? Because I read your Mafia LI, where you acted exactly like this, and your GoT, where you were actually useful. I can go into detail, if you really want this. I'd prefer to end the distraction already myself. | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:29 Zealos wrote: Ok. Here is my current mindset So here is what I propose/have decided. Any more arguing between us will not promote a town environment. I am going to stop trying to defend myself from you until at least some of the lurkers have posted their thoughts on the current discussion. As it stands, most of town are voting Imallision. What do you think about that Imallision? Other towns, do you think I am scum? Give reasons, make arguments, and tell us who you want dead. To the 2 new players, why are you not scum? And if you're not, why are you not contributing *anything* not to mention things of use? Thank God, this is all I asked you to do from the start. It doesn't take much to seem town. All you have to do is not act like scum. This kind of thing is a GREAT start. | ||
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On April 28 2012 08:37 Zealos wrote: 5.. It's not awfully useful posting new content if everyone thinks I am scum. The most useful thing a town player can do is prove his innocence (Straight out of Ace's guide IIRC) Also straight out of Ace's guide, the best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:36 Zealos wrote: So I want to ask everyone, if me and Imallision became immortal for the day, who gets your vote, and give reasons. Anyone posting a name without any thoughts with it becomes super suspicious. Obviously I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I will be choosing: Stossel His first and only post since replacing in involves regurgitating arguments that people have made time and time again, and not to mention - Pre-replacement, he was under a lot of pressure, and then out'ed for seemingly no reason. I don't know if this sort of meta argument should be used, but it certainly seems... odd. Not enough for me to lynch in front of Imallision, as I would like to give the new guy a chance to at least give some reads and what not, but he takes 2nd place by a cinch. Stossel has actually posted, and posted useful things, which is more than I can say for the other two lurkers. imallinson's one post when he came back before he disappeared was to make a case on Dracolich, then disappear. Stossel's pretty strongly accusing imallinson as his #1 read (has yet to vote though for some reason). With a fairly light amount of suspicion on Dracolich even before imallinson made his case, what would be the point of them targeting each other in this situation if they're scumbuddies? It doesn't make a great deal of sense imo. Right now, Stossel is neutral at best to me. Dracolich was only under pressure from Maju (and imallinson, but it's hard to count that if he's your scum target), so to say he was under heavy pressure is a bit of a stretch. What do you think of oneplus and insectoceanx? And are you still reading Maju as scummy? It would be really hard to look back at Maju and Draco's filters and read them as scum together. | ||
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On April 28 2012 10:56 insectoceanx wrote: Looking back at this post by nreekay, it gives me one fear. This fear is only in my mind if imallinson ends up not being mafia... + Show Spoiler + Could this be the line that got nreekay killed? What if Arcticfox is mafia. Case: He has been most active in routing out lurkers in a game filled by lurkers. All the lurkers cannot be mafia, and if the mafia were not lurkers they would be pretty high above suspicion. Case in point, Arcticfox who has spent his entire time confronting lurkers and has never been suspected. The downside of lynch all lurkers is that the active mafia could put all suspicion on townies that lurk. That part of nreekays post is the only thing that makes him stand out in anyway, all of his other posts never really said much. Again this may just be complete bs, but I also share nreekays fear, if he is mafia we are all in a lot of trouble. He also called you out as scum in the same post, you know. If you want to build a case against me, go for it. There's almost 70 posts worth of material for you to work with. If your case is that I'm pressuring lurkers, you've got a long way to go. | ||
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On April 28 2012 11:11 insectoceanx wrote: As I said this is not a full strung theory, and since there was no lynch it has no evidence behind it all. With no info on so many players as they have not posted, and now not even voted it seems to me as a somewhat valid fear. The question now is where do we go from here? We have 3 days before we can lynch again and we lose another townie tomorrow night. My theory is that they were afraid to shoot me because they were afraid of a medic possibly being there, so they shot into the town got INCREDIBLY lucky with a blue snipe. You can confirm that theory when I turn up dead tonight. You'll also notice that his suspect list lines up right with mine -- imallinson, zealos, and you. I add in oneplus as a suspect because I wasn't as convinced that his posting was as good as people thought. Now, with oneplus being the reason that we couldn't get imallinson lynched, there's even more reason to suspect him. I'm almost certain that 3 out of the 4 of you are the scum team. The rest of the night is just figuring out who's who before I'm shot. | ||
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I had Zealos made Day 1 (like everyone else on the planet), but I never pushed him. yomi came out of the gate acting like a crazy person (i.e. -- exactly how he did in SMMVIII) and I was just so sure he was scum right up until about 2 hours to deadline. That close to deadline though, I couldn't be sure that he wasn't just a scum begging for his life. =/ Night 1 I made a misstep in mentioning that we should shut up, when really, the game was too inactive to merit that. Day 2. The Hell day. Nobody was posting. It was annoying. Still had Zealos made, his posting didn't really improve at all until I thread-coached him into it. imallinson was just inactive as hell (and ALSO playing just like SMMVIII) but Zealos should have been the obvious candidate anyway. I pushed imallinson because I thought both he and Zealos were scum, and I could lynch one today and set up a lynch on the other the next. By the time I woke up the next day I realized that I had made a mistake, but there was NO WAY to get the vote changed over to Zealos by then. Hell, the thread wasn't even active enough to get imallinson lynched, let alone get the vote switched over to someone new. (more on this later) And Night 2 I was dead. I was mafia shot, roleblocked (which I don't think stops vet? really wish I had been though. ), AND vigi shot. VIGI SHOT. Really, I was your scummiest choice?I PM'd 3 different people for coaching. sandroba gave me some solid advice with a "there's enough information in the thread for you to find the scum, fuck the discussion, they're going to keep lurking, just PUSH PUSH PUSH." -- I just took that advice and pushed the wrong guy. XD But it was still good advice, I was too passive after I had someone made. wherebugsgo gets coach MVP though. He took the time to go through a meandering book of a post I sent him and answer every one of my points individually, and give me a real direction to go. My next game is going to be much, MUCH stronger due to his advice and I send many thanks and your favorite alcoholic beverage your way. <3 As a final note, I really, REALLY am against the idea of an extended majority lynch in newbie games. It's hard enough for town to reach a consensus, even when everyone's playing -- just 3 people going inactive made it more or less impossible for town to get anything done until the lynching rules were changed Day 3. Day 2 I wanted to get the vote switched to Zealos so bad, but with 12 hours left and an inactive town, it was literally impossible to do so, while I could have managed it in a Plurality Lynch. Either way, I did at least have some fun (until about middle of Day 2) even if inactivity did screw the game for town. I also learned a ton from the coaches. Thanks to GM and Midnight for putting this on and dealing with the frustration of having to find a million replacements. ^_^ | ||
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On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote: I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3 I felt bad shooting you Arctic. Real bad, you were the only one really posting much of anything. lol, hey, that's how the game goes. If you're mafia, you take out the top townies and make the rest sheep you. You did what you needed to to win. I will say you got crazy lucky N1 with that medic hit, else I would have made your Day 3 a living hell.  Of course, even as vet I would have been dead N2 since I got vig shot and mafia shot. So many bullet holes. x.x | ||
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On May 05 2012 00:03 oneplus wrote: This is so sad T.T I wan a lynch between draco and zealos since day2. Well sorry Arctic i shoot you because you are not supporting my proposal which is lynch between draco and zealos which make me think that you are in their gang. First off, I was totally for a Zealos lynch. By the time you showed up in the day though, it was way too late to get the vote switched off (again, Extended Majority Lynch sucks T_T), so I stuck with the vote I thought I could get pushed through, seeing as I thought both were scum. Draco I wasn't sure about just yet, but I was getting there. Second....why not shoot either Draco or Zealos then?!?!?! Shooting me made absolutely no sense. T_T | ||
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ArcticFox
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On May 05 2012 08:20 Dracolich70 wrote: Here is mine line of thinking, ArcticFox: 1) Had Mutant continued playing, you would have been a bad kill, because you thought him to be very likely town. And being desperate, you needed to count on some. 2) The kill on you only meant a very little bit, because you were nearly the only active at the time it happened. Basically to kill the motivation of the town. 3) However, you really didn't do anything, but post. As active as you were, you could have pretty much been the driving force of the town(with FTD away), but you never were, just most active, and therefore most likely town, with few gonna question that. I hope you understand what I mean with this. If you thought you were gonna be killed, you should have guided the town somewhere other than inactivity(for the most part). Mafia basically just continued with that. 4) It was crazy lucky that Insect voted for Yomi. I had forgotten about the majority vote, and wasn't online after I gave my vote, so never read Scum QT till next day. That Nreekay was medic was a lucky hit, bluerole, not so much. He was aimed at for being read as one of the best players, though hadn't participated much, and what I thought was a breadcrumb - furthermore with little notice of him - and him on to Zealos, made him a good early kill - and most of my focus throughout was finding blueroles. It can't be done with so little without luck, and we were lucky to some degree, but not as much as you thought throughout, and you should have delved more into the kill, rather than just thinking it was a lucky hit, and now you could die. I really felt sorry for you, and from what you say, you have spent a lot of time into the game,but as it seems you didn't trust your own gut very much. And though I am more than certain wherebugsgo, have been a superb help in himself, it seemed to have a paralyzing effect on you. Of course I do take into account that your premises were very poor, and motivation would be hard. I didn't send messages to wbg until Night 2, where I was already fucked. XD And let me quote something from that PM that I sent him: "My weakness, on the other hand, is that my analysis skills are piss poor -- being the towniest town that ever towned a town is fucking useless if I sheep the town into lynching other town every time. Right now, based on what I perceive as "scum", over half the town could be scum." As JJ was mentioning earlier, I need to stick to my Day 1 reads harder and push those -- Zealos and Draco/Stossel would have been lynched Day 2 and 3 in that case. I end up WIFOMing and second-guessing myself all day. I didn't have anyone to bounce ideas off of either and keep me on the right track, because the only other person talking was scum. -_- That's why we have newbie games though, to learn. At least I didn't quit halfway through the game like some people. *glares in your general direction* And actually, I also *was* the driving force in town, just, as mentioned, my scumreading skills were godawful. I got yomi lynched D1, and I did my damnedest on Day 2 to get imallinson lynched, just nobody showed up to finish it off. =/ | ||
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