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This post is very weird even as a first post for a rookie. First, you post a list which is basically a mix of events and statements, so pretty much completely use- and contentless. The rest of the post apparently is written with the intention to slow down scumhunting. You state that people might be emulating behaviorism, which is quite pointless to say as scum will always try to appear as town, with or without reference play. The list was trying to draw a picture of how I feel the events thus far. Which is either guided by paranoia, or as a initiator for debate(?). I am not sure if this is the right way, as it can clutter the thread mightily quickly.
If you feel it is content less, then it is because most of the accusations are pretty weak. It was pretty much the highlights, as I see it.
I just said that knowing the behavior of either one, makes it easier to manipulate, and right now, I feel/fear some are trying to manipulate the course of actions with pointing fingers left and right.
Then, you claim that making too many accusations will muddy up the place with fake/useless information, and that making cases is based on luck. You seem to be afraid of the town getting things done. Why would you be? You should be making cases yourself and analyzing people instead if you want to be helpful. Posts like this one make you seem like scum. I don't know if it is rocket science, but if we all take turns to point fingers at 2-3 in each of our posts, and they in turn do the same, it gets pretty muddied. Isn't saying "pointing too many accusations will muddy up the place" something logical? Sorry, it is to me.
I have still said I am okay with a lynch, however I am not a supporter of just lynching someone to make something happen. And as I stated - I am very open to valid information.
Is this the part where I should point fingers at you?
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Dracolich70: Stop trying to draw the scumhunt off of yomi. Besides him, there really hasn't been much finger-pointing recently.
yomi:
On April 23 2012 15:21 yomi wrote:
Because the two biggest sources of info in the game are who votes for who and the discussions that come out of discussing lynching.
No. Not good enough.
1. Why do lie about not wanting a lynch, then immediately vote for Maju?
2. If you really want conversation, then why is your filter filled with baseless accusations and garbage like this:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 08:12 yomi wrote:
hey bros. I'm not 100% convinced that we should lynch day1. but if we do On April 23 2012 10:13 yomi wrote:
not much to explain, it makes perfect sense if you don't play like maniac day1 townies who read way too much into things. there's nothing contradictory or unusual about what I said. On April 23 2012 10:13 yomi wrote:
I'm not moving off maju atm he is a total dunce/mafia so not much lost if he ends up town anyway. On April 23 2012 11:31 yomi wrote:
I'm voting for you because you are stupid or mafia but you cannot be a good townie. On April 23 2012 15:36 yomi wrote:
i told you why I voted for you. btw you are annoying i'm not talking to you any more for the next 12 hours
It's pretty much nothing but pointless one-liners.
And please, don't answer my questions with more one-liners.
##Vote: yomi
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On April 23 2012 14:53 nreekay324 wrote:
(P.S. Zealos stop acting so scummy, unless you *are* scum, in which case continue so we can lynch you first. <3)
Sorry, what? What on earth kind of a thing to say is this? You make a completely random accusation about me being scum with no evidence at all.
Oh, and, I am happy to respond to case's against me, but at the moment I can't see any. All I see is people posting lots of other people's names and then going on to tell town what they've done so far in the game. It doesn't help. We can read.
It seems like it's gonna be pretty hard to find the mafia team when there's so many people posting terribly.
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Oh, and, I really don't know how you can quote me and STILL spell my name wrong:On April 23 2012 14:53 nreekay324 wrote:-Zealous + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 05:25 Zealos wrote:
I think it's not a useful thing to discuss early on and leads to little scumhunting and a poor town atmosphere.
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I wrote this post last night and decided to wait a little bit more before posting it
On April 23 2012 14:39 mutant wrote:
1. Why do you say you don't necessarily want a lynch, then immediately vote for
Maju?
2. Why do you want town to start voting as soon as possible, before any real
conversation has happened?
1. why not?
Why do you guys think this is somehow contradictory? It's not. I don't know how to explain it other than to restate it. I don't think we necessarily should, but IF WE DO, here's my vote. maybe my answer to #2 will clarify
2. Because it makes people take sides and it starts a real discussion instead of the really stupid typical day 1 shit (like this conversation). You see how people react when they get REAL pressure on them. Not "i'm just doing this to pressure you teeheehee" baby shit. Real pressure that's really believable. I'm genuinely voting for maju. Not just seeing his reaction. I was going to sit on that vote until I got a reaction I can really respond to (more on that later).
I find it really telling how certain people flip out over one vote when the point of the game is to vote. I also think it's very humorous that some of you would honestly believe a mafia would play this way. If you have accused me of being scummy and this is not your first game, you are on my red list. Because any remotely experienced player knows that fearless town play (you think I didn't know I would get a backlash?) wins games and that mafia DO NOT play this way. so vote guys. trust me it's a lot better. day 1 is so so painful and full of ridiculous awful shit. it's better if everyone just votes asap and we can see what happens and we can always back down from the votes later if we aren't sure enough to go through with it.
If you are afraid to post information about yourself, you are red.
When you analyze posts don't just "look for suspicion". What are you suspicious OF? Suspicious that I play aggressively? Is this how mafia play? Think about what would a mafia do? What is the player trying to accomplish with this post?
This is probably the most interesting post for me so far
On April 23 2012 23:33 oneplus wrote:
1) Yomi try to start the game with a random lynch on Maju trying to pressure him for discussion in my point of view , he is either trying to scumhunt or he is a scum. Also, he is not targeting the lurkers but Maju which is a bit werid for me. Btw why bring history in? This will only make you become more suspicious. I think that past history shouldn't be taken account hence this is a new game.
But I don't think Yomi is scum because it's simply too dangerous for scum to act in such way, high chance he will be lynch if he randomly target someone in this case who is Maju. For me it looks like scumhunt more than scum.
2) Zealots is pretty much a 1 liner who doesn't really contribute anything yet, he is a decent vote at the moment.
3)Well everyone has posted something but they didn't say much they just say lynch someone which could be suspicious such as dracolich and insecto we might need more from them.
4)Inmallinson just pointed out he's a mafia last game is this intentionally? hmm...
He correctly identifies that I am not scum since a mafia would not play this way. BUT he objects to posting information about himself and encourages others not to do it? very very red thing to say.
This will only make you become more suspicious.
make who more suspicious? me? "one" in general? you?
why would posting information about yourself make you suspicious?
On the other hand he is defending the top lynch target which a mafia should not do right now. But on my last game when I was mafia I was really concerned with building town cred by "calling" all the lynches correctly. Ya, it's WIFOM, but I think it's a common mafia ploy. All the town seem to think playing aggro is a mafia trait. It's not. But this guy has interpreted it differently. Why? Is he more perceptive than you guys or trying to position himself to "i told you so" when I get lynched and flip town. When I played mafia, I tried to do the latter.
4) wtf? intentionally what? I mean he didn't type it by accident. What do you mean by this?
@maju
why are you playing so defensively? You have one vote on you. you need 6 or 7 to die. no one else has shown any interest in voting for you. you are in no danger. yet you can't do much other than ask me why I'm voting for your 3 or 4 times in a row. mafia play to survive, town plays to win.
@dracolich
if you think we can have "valid" information on day1 you are fooling yourself. no investigation roles went out so there is no valid information. we can't even get voting patterns b/c no one will vote.
most everyone said we should lynch day 1 yet has taken no action towards accomplishing that.
On April 24 2012 00:22 ForTheDr3am wrote:
but it seems that there is only one actual vote on him up to now, making me think that there are still people with an interest to keep him alive.
please elaborate on this comment
also note FTD is the 2nd player to openly criticize the sharing of information.
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On April 24 2012 01:24 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +This post is very weird even as a first post for a rookie. First, you post a list which is basically a mix of events and statements, so pretty much completely use- and contentless. The rest of the post apparently is written with the intention to slow down scumhunting. You state that people might be emulating behaviorism, which is quite pointless to say as scum will always try to appear as town, with or without reference play. The list was trying to draw a picture of how I feel the events thus far. Which is either guided by paranoia, or as a initiator for debate(?). I am not sure if this is the right way, as it can clutter the thread mightily quickly. If you feel it is content less, then it is because most of the accusations are pretty weak. It was pretty much the highlights, as I see it. I just said that knowing the behavior of either one, makes it easier to manipulate, and right now, I feel/fear some are trying to manipulate the course of actions with pointing fingers left and right. Show nested quote +Then, you claim that making too many accusations will muddy up the place with fake/useless information, and that making cases is based on luck. You seem to be afraid of the town getting things done. Why would you be? You should be making cases yourself and analyzing people instead if you want to be helpful. Posts like this one make you seem like scum. I don't know if it is rocket science, but if we all take turns to point fingers at 2-3 in each of our posts, and they in turn do the same, it gets pretty muddied. Isn't saying "pointing too many accusations will muddy up the place" something logical? Sorry, it is to me. I have still said I am okay with a lynch, however I am not a supporter of just lynching someone to make something happen. And as I stated - I am very open to valid information. Is this the part where I should point fingers at you?
Making "highlights" of what happened in the thread is a very easy way for scum to pretend that they are contributing. Unlike what you claim, it also does not give a picture about what you feel as you have no input on your own. It isn't even a proper list of events as random statements are mixed into it.
When you say manipulate, who will manipulate what? The mafia the general flow of the thread? Other people? Yes, scum will sometimes try to control the thread and always try to appear as town. Saying that is just as empty as your list.
Certainly, the fear of the thread going down in confusion from having too many people making too many accusations is a valid one - if that was actually happening. However, it isn't, and you preemptively tried to discourage people from making advances at a time where not too much has happened yet in first place. How, in your eyes, should town be productive at all if not by analyzing posts? If everybody posted like you did, we would have no suspects at the end of the day, no information to build on later. Why do you still refuse to put forth any sort of opinion apart from unsubtly hinting that I am cluttering up the thread?
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@Zealos:
It wasn't nreekay who made the case against you, it was ArcticFox. The question was, why would a townie be so blatantly unfriendly and disruptive. You have been called out several times now but only serve more posts of the same sort.
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@yomi:
You gave a very easy and obvious bandwagon to jump on, and I was surprised that apart from ArcticFox, nobody had voted for you yet.
I am also pretty sure I did not say anywhere that I don't condone the sharing of information. I called you posting your filter from last game ironic, as just like last time, you seem to think that it actually means anything.
Now to the latest wall of text.
I'm genuinely voting for maju. Not just seeing his reaction. I was going to sit on that vote until I got a reaction I can really respond to (more on that later).
So, you genuinely voted for him, not just to see his reaction, and were going to sit on that vote until you got a reaction. Ok.
Because any remotely experienced player knows that fearless town play (you think I didn't know I would get a backlash?) wins games and that mafia DO NOT play this way. so vote guys. trust me it's a lot better. day 1 is so so painful and full of ridiculous awful shit. it's better if everyone just votes asap and we can see what happens and we can always back down from the votes later if we aren't sure enough to go through with it.
"Mafia does not do this and that." The perfect line that makes town lose. If you think that what you are doing at the moment is good townplay, it stands to reason that you would attempt a similar play as scum as well. See how that works?
You also keep telling town what they are supposed to do - without doing much of the sort yourself.
You did point out oneplus' post, but only come up with even more WIFOM. "I think Mafia would do that because that what I tried to do when I was mafia!" (In the game where you nearly got lynched at day 1, one might add).
As I said before, refusing to randomly spam "information" from outside of the game is not suspicious. These meta-arguments are always very iffy, and it surprises me that you are so adamant about it. Do you think just by acting slightly similar to last game you will get town-cred?
Also,
I wrote this post last night and decided to wait a little bit more before posting it
how does withholding information (not that it was too relevant) help us? So that we have to spend more time contemplating the reasons of your erratic play?
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Do you think just by acting slightly dissimilar to last game you will get town-cred?
Fixed.
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Firstly, I apologize for spelling your name wrong , Zealos, I didn’t proofread very well, and I tend to type things based on how they sound in my head. However, in my defense I wasn’t the only one who did this,
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 23:33 oneplus wrote:
2) Zealots is pretty much a 1 liner who doesn't really contribute anything yet, he is a decent vote at the moment.
Assuming Zealots was meant to be Zealos. Also, it can be seen that oneplus is explicity stating you’re a decent vote, Zealos.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 02:12 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 14:53 nreekay324 wrote:
(P.S. Zealos stop acting so scummy, unless you *are* scum, in which case continue so we can lynch you first. <3) Sorry, what? What on earth kind of a thing to say is this? You make a completely random accusation about me being scum with no evidence at all. Oh, and, I am happy to respond to case's against me, but at the moment I can't see any. All I see is people posting lots of other people's names and then going on to tell town what they've done so far in the game. It doesn't help. We can read. It seems like it's gonna be pretty hard to find the mafia team when there's so many people posting terribly.
The quote of me stating that you are acting scummy, is a re-quote from ArcticFox’s first post. That creates a list of ArcticFox, oneplus, and me believing your posts have been suspicious. Therefore I don’t believe that the accusation is random, at all.
Here’s what I saw;
1. You state that it’s typical scum behavior to post a lot of stuff under the guise of useful posting, yet most of your posts are, as oneplus put it, one-liners and simple-agreement posts. It seemed contradictory to me, suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 06:54 Zealos wrote:
[It's very typical scum behaviour. Making no actual reads, but posting a load of stuff under the guise of "useful posting"
2. The above statement indirectly states Maju is scum, but you don’t sort through Maju’s comments and build a case. You’re subtly setting up Maju for a lynch.
3.+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 05:58 Zealos wrote:
He's right, no lynch = really bad.
This statement is in reference to ForTheDr3am’s first post stating that the town shouldn’t be in favor of no lynch. FTD got called out for his original post, and had a few posts back-and-forth with St. Daniel re-examining his position. But you didn’t give any extra reasons, or really anything else, more suspicion.
4. Your latest reply in your defensive seems to be directed at me, as if I was the only person who believes you to be suspicious. + Show Spoiler +(Also, I listed a bunch of other people’s names and discussed their posts, but gave my opinions on them at the very least. that was still somewhat earlier on, and I thought it was a good point to jump in.)
I am under the impression that Maju was to be alienated and the town was to off-him early on. This is in line with my suspicions of Zealos, as he casually set-up Maju for this purpose. Then, shortly thereafter, Yomi jumps in and explicitly targets Maju.
I just read your latest post, Yomi. Looking at your filter, it’s somewhat believable to me that you wanted to play an aggressive towny. But I noticed some people ( me included) feel that he’s an idiotic towny playing scummy. So, where do you stand now with your vote? Still, Maju? But, if I may indulge in my theory of Maju being set-up, then you’d be scum, cleverly building a defense for yourself, and Maju would still be an easy D1 mis-lynch. And finally, by citing your history as scum another game as grounds for defending your current play doesn't seem like a good claim for your scummyness or innocence. Your posts have seemed to inject as much chaos into this thread as Maju's have, especially with your "elaborate" play of voting Maju = good discussion.
I'm currently on voting for yomi or Zealos, ima sleep on it.
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I don't even know....
My post was about the fact people have called me suspicious for no proper reason. It's just players looking to jump on the first person that doesn't fit in with their idea of a "Proper player"
So no, my post wasn't "Directed" at you (except for the obvious spelling blunder) Instead, it was at all the people calling me suspicious with no backup at all.
And on 3. I make my point, and have nothing more to say. It's just a fact, no lynches are not good, discussing policy any further is pointless.
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I'm not going to go through and run a search on all of you guys. post your dam games or at least say if you're played or not y/n
how can this request meet so much disagreement and noncompliance?
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I've played:
A Game of Thrones Mafia - Double Voter
Mafia VIII (I think was the name) - Mafia Goon.
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On April 24 2012 03:37 ForTheDr3am wrote:
@yomi:
You gave a very easy and obvious bandwagon to jump on, and I was surprised that apart from ArcticFox, nobody had voted for you yet.
It seemed to me that you were implying the people that "have an interest in keeping me alive" were mafia. Was this not your implication?
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On April 24 2012 05:18 yomi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 03:37 ForTheDr3am wrote:
@yomi:
You gave a very easy and obvious bandwagon to jump on, and I was surprised that apart from ArcticFox, nobody had voted for you yet.
It seemed to me that you were implying the people that "have an interest in keeping me alive" were mafia. Was this not your implication?
Not exactly. I didn't mean to say that everyone who defends you automatically makes himself suspicious in my eyes, but that the fact that you weren't jumped on is a slight indicator that you are not a perfectly innocent townie.
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*weren't jumped on harder
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Making "highlights" of what happened in the thread is a very easy way for scum to pretend that they are contributing. Unlike what you claim, it also does not give a picture about what you feel as you have no input on your own. It isn't even a proper list of events as random statements are mixed into it. Or it could just be a list of things that happened as I saw it when I opened up the thread for the first time, and saw people were already at each other with very little substance in their hand to guide them.
The highlights are pretty accurate, I believe. Highlights don't muddy threads, but clearify. I bet mafia likes obfuscation, what do you think?
I find it problematic for instance that you hope for good discussions, and then you bark at every tree you can find, and trying to suggest what people should be posting to be of use to you. Is that in relation with you not being around on deadlines, and want to control events?
When you say manipulate, who will manipulate what? The mafia the general flow of the thread? Other people? Yes, scum will sometimes try to control the thread and always try to appear as town. Saying that is just as empty as your list. Do you just post to post? Town/"town" can play in a lot of different ways, as can mafia. I hope you realize the dynamism of people having played before. If you find it empty, then so be it. I think of it making people aware, especially when people accused, then got counter-accused. Right now you are trying to dictate how I should play. I am not in the know of what people know, as this is labeled newbie game.
Certainly, the fear of the thread going down in confusion from having too many people making too many accusations is a valid one - if that was actually happening. However, it isn't, and you preemptively tried to discourage people from making advances at a time where not too much has happened yet in first place. How, in your eyes, should town be productive at all if not by analyzing posts? If everybody posted like you did, we would have no suspects at the end of the day, no information to build on later. Why do you still refuse to put forth any sort of opinion apart from unsubtly hinting that I am cluttering up the thread? Can you make up your mind? If I pointed out this is what has transpired, and it is valid, then my posting is valid. I was the first to say it. If people have jumped onto the right track, then I have been of more use than you have thus far with your guns blazing at shadows. So far I have spent most time explaining a post that is pretty self explanatory in the first place - twice now.
I have already given a name and accepted d1 lynch. I can still change it.
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I am going to agree that yomi is acting very suspicious, he jumped onto MajuGarzett for seemingly no reason and never gave much reason why. One possible reason I could see is this someone jumped on a fellow scum right away and he wanted to get the heat off and derail conversations without ever giving reasons for his lynch choices.
There were two people being discussed at this point as possible scum: St. Daniel and Zealos.
On April 23 2012 06:10 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 05:58 Zealos wrote:On April 23 2012 05:53 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Justice will prevail.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum.
That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place. He's right, no lynch = really bad. I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia.
Maju discusses st. daniel asking for help gives signs he may not be a vanilla townie. We don't have much evidence to either way to what st daniel actually is but seeing as he is new he could actually need some help and I don't think we have any evidence to really support he being anything other than a townie.
Zealos however is a little more suspicious. This is his first reply since the post above. In the post he criticizes the talk that has been going on. I see a problem with this since we may not have any solid information ro run off of right now, we sure will soon with results of lynching and who the mafia decides to pick off. All of this discussion while not very useful now may become very useful later on.
On April 24 2012 02:12 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 14:53 nreekay324 wrote:
(P.S. Zealos stop acting so scummy, unless you *are* scum, in which case continue so we can lynch you first. <3) Sorry, what? What on earth kind of a thing to say is this? You make a completely random accusation about me being scum with no evidence at all. Oh, and, I am happy to respond to case's against me, but at the moment I can't see any. All I see is people posting lots of other people's names and then going on to tell town what they've done so far in the game. It doesn't help. We can read. It seems like it's gonna be pretty hard to find the mafia team when there's so many people posting terribly.
Out of his own words earlier in the thread:
On April 23 2012 06:54 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 06:36 ForTheDr3am wrote:On April 23 2012 06:10 MajuGarzett wrote:On April 23 2012 05:58 Zealos wrote:On April 23 2012 05:53 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Justice will prevail.
One thing to keep in mind is that we are using an Extended Majority Vote in this game. I want to encourage people to not consider no lynch too much. It might seem tempting to not lynch day 1 because of the lack of information, but the best way to gather information is by good discussion. Any sort of consensus to not lynch will only benefit scum.
That being said, I won't be around for deadlines in this game, so I hope no major last-minute bandwagons take place. He's right, no lynch = really bad. I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia. How are exactly are we to understand the fact that according to you, he has "shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie" but "no distinct signs of being mafia? It's very typical scum behaviour. Making no actual reads, but posting a load of stuff under the guise of "useful posting"
Except it seems zealos has never added much of anything to the thread other than to criticize the discussion that was happening. Originially when writing this I was going to vote for yomi, If he is mafia he is running a very risky play, after going through what zealos has to say, which is that our discussion is terrible, my vote goes to him.
##Vote: Zealos
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On April 24 2012 05:16 yomi wrote:
I'm not going to go through and run a search on all of you guys. post your dam games or at least say if you're played or not y/n
how can this request meet so much disagreement and noncompliance?
Doing your research is all part of the game. You should have already done this if you're town and trying to do meta-reads. Also quite the aggressive way to get people to do it.
I'm not sure why you're trying to draw attention to the way people have played in the other games. You're posting is pretty close to how you acted in our last game (Newbie 8), where you were scum, and I also put my vote on you Day 1.
Furthermore, posting metaplay in the main thread is distracting -- anyone who's interested has already done it, and if there's not a case being made based on it, it's pointless to bring it in without having a relevant discussion attached. It's entirely different if you're bringing up someone's filter from another game specifically to make a case. Without making cases, it's another way to fluff up your post count without actually contributing anything, plus it brings up easy ways to WIFOM and distract the thread into a meaningless discussion.
Side note -- I'm loathe to do connection play this early, but I find it highly interesting that the only person so far to follow along with this idea of yours to post our game history is my 2nd strongest scumread right now. @Zealos, your filter still reads full of one-liners, a negative attitude, and a whole bunch of posting without saying anything. I'd like your best scum read so far, based on the information we have, and why?
@imallinson -- you're lurking HARD right now, with only 1 post. Step up and contribute. Same question -- top scum read, and why?
@oneplus -- same thing from you. You have a couple of very short list posts, with one particularly alarming bit:
On April 23 2012 23:33 oneplus wrote:
But I don't think Yomi is scum because it's simply too dangerous for scum to act in such way, high chance he will be lynch if he randomly target someone in this case who is Maju.
If you haven't read the newbie guide yet, go look up WIFOM and read about it. Talking about motivations leads you in circles.
So if yomi isn't a scum in your mind -- who is, and why?
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On April 24 2012 02:06 mutant wrote:yomi: Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 15:21 yomi wrote:
Because the two biggest sources of info in the game are who votes for who and the discussions that come out of discussing lynching. No. Not good enough. 1. Why do lie about not wanting a lynch, then immediately vote for Maju?2. If you really want conversation, then why is your filter filled with baseless accusations and garbage like this: + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 08:12 yomi wrote:
hey bros. I'm not 100% convinced that we should lynch day1. but if we do On April 23 2012 10:13 yomi wrote:
not much to explain, it makes perfect sense if you don't play like maniac day1 townies who read way too much into things. there's nothing contradictory or unusual about what I said. On April 23 2012 10:13 yomi wrote:
I'm not moving off maju atm he is a total dunce/mafia so not much lost if he ends up town anyway. On April 23 2012 11:31 yomi wrote:
I'm voting for you because you are stupid or mafia but you cannot be a good townie. On April 23 2012 15:36 yomi wrote:
i told you why I voted for you. btw you are annoying i'm not talking to you any more for the next 12 hours It's pretty much nothing but pointless one-liners. And please, don't answer my questions with more one-liners. ##Vote: yomi
I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a serious post.
1. Why do lie about not wanting a lynch, then immediately vote for Maju?
Um...really? Where do I lie? Specifically quote for me what I said that's a lie. YOUR post is actually a lie because it is such a gross, obvious, intentional misrepresentation of what I've said.
Sorry "one-liners" offend you so much. I'll be sure not to post when I have a single concise statement to make.
Because the two biggest sources of info in the game are who votes for who and the discussions that come out of discussing lynching.
what about this statement do you disagree with? what's "not good enough" about it? I think it's a perfectly legitimate rational for coming out strong and voting for someone.
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I so far have 3 main candidates for being mafia.
1. yomi
His first action this game was to state he's unsure of whether anyone should be lynched but then proceeds to vote anyways. When told that this was contradictory he said that he only meant if we do decide on lynching he would vote for me. While this does make some sense, if he was unsure of lynching why vote right off the bat. He could have instead just suggested whom to vote for and started a discussion about whether I as mafia.
He could not and still has not given reasons for his vote. To cover this up he says avoids the questions asked by multiple players and says that townies should have no fear of voting.
You should all be voting, townies have no reason to fear voting. Mafia are afraid to take concrete stances. Everyone vote asap plz.
He also says that there is nothing to lose by voting me off since if I'm not mafia I'm a dunce. This is untrue as the lynching of any townie brings the mafia closer to victory. So, as we can see, townies should be make sure their votes are sensible and not vote hastily as yomi would have us do.
From my point of view, yomi tried to get the one who had posted the most lynched and then when he couldn't give a reason why said he wouldn't talk to me as I was a dunce. Furthermore, he tried to escape suspicion by saying he voted to create discussion. How though did he think his vote would create discussion when he gave no reasons for his vote and therefore nothing to debate?
@maju
why are you playing so defensively? You have one vote on you. you need 6 or 7 to die. no one else has shown any interest in voting for you. you are in no danger. yet you can't do much other than ask me why I'm voting for your 3 or 4 times in a row. mafia play to survive, town plays to win.
Yes, I guess I was posting defensively. I did this not because I was mafia, but because yomi's was the first vote, and Zealos, one of the only others who had posted at that point, was accusing me of being scummy. I was fearful that yomi's ideas may gain traction early on so I was trying to highlight that your vote had no substance.
Yomi's next major post was to ask for everyone's history in mafia games. For the record, this is my first game. I suspect this was done as yomi was mafia in the last game and had posted in a similar acrimonious style. He would expect us to think that if he was mafia this game he would have realised the flaw in his posting style and stopped it. This response is shown quite well through oneplus' statement:
"But I don't think Yomi is scum because it's simply too dangerous for scum to act in such way, high chance he will be lynch if he randomly target someone in this case who is Maju. "
I however believe that he merely did not think his initial posts through and tried to use his previous game to make others think that he is not mafia.
Overall yomi gives me a vibe of trying to get rid of townies as quick as possible with as little discussion as possible and that his other posts are just trying to get attention away from himself. As of now I am leaning most towards voting for him.
2. Zealos
Looking at Zealos' filter, we can see that he has contributed very little substance to debates. He has avoided both voting and saying that he is suspicious of anyone. His posts have mainly been responses to people saying they are suspicious of him or voting for him. Like yomi, he posts in a rather acrimonious manner though this I don't think can be used as evidence against him as that may just be the type of person he is. My main qualm with Zealos is that he has been posting to avoid being labeled as a lurker but has really contributed nothing as of yet except for
It's very typical scum behaviour. Making no actual reads, but posting a load of stuff under the guise of "useful posting"
3. imallinson
This I am least sure of as he has only posted once. This post was in part protecting yomi who I strongly think is mafia which inclines me to think that imallinson is mafia as well. Essentially he seems like a lurker protecting a suspected mafia.
I am slightly suspicious of dracholich as he has been subtly discouraging voting and has not posted any opinions other than a condemnation of yomi which wasn't all that firm.
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