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On April 28 2012 08:29 Zealos wrote:
Ok. Here is my current mindset
So here is what I propose/have decided. Any more arguing between us will not promote a town environment. I am going to stop trying to defend myself from you until at least some of the lurkers have posted their thoughts on the current discussion. As it stands, most of town are voting Imallision. What do you think about that Imallision? Other towns, do you think I am scum? Give reasons, make arguments, and tell us who you want dead. To the 2 new players, why are you not scum? And if you're not, why are you not contributing *anything* not to mention things of use?
Thank God, this is all I asked you to do from the start.
It doesn't take much to seem town. All you have to do is not act like scum. This kind of thing is a GREAT start.
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On April 28 2012 08:37 Zealos wrote:
5.. It's not awfully useful posting new content if everyone thinks I am scum. The most useful thing a town player can do is prove his innocence (Straight out of Ace's guide IIRC)
Also straight out of Ace's guide, the best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum.
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On April 28 2012 07:36 Zealos wrote:
So I want to ask everyone, if me and Imallision became immortal for the day, who gets your vote, and give reasons. Anyone posting a name without any thoughts with it becomes super suspicious. Obviously I don't want to be a hypocrite, so I will be choosing: Stossel
His first and only post since replacing in involves regurgitating arguments that people have made time and time again, and not to mention - Pre-replacement, he was under a lot of pressure, and then out'ed for seemingly no reason. I don't know if this sort of meta argument should be used, but it certainly seems... odd. Not enough for me to lynch in front of Imallision, as I would like to give the new guy a chance to at least give some reads and what not, but he takes 2nd place by a cinch.
Stossel has actually posted, and posted useful things, which is more than I can say for the other two lurkers. imallinson's one post when he came back before he disappeared was to make a case on Dracolich, then disappear. Stossel's pretty strongly accusing imallinson as his #1 read (has yet to vote though for some reason). With a fairly light amount of suspicion on Dracolich even before imallinson made his case, what would be the point of them targeting each other in this situation if they're scumbuddies? It doesn't make a great deal of sense imo.
Right now, Stossel is neutral at best to me. Dracolich was only under pressure from Maju (and imallinson, but it's hard to count that if he's your scum target), so to say he was under heavy pressure is a bit of a stretch.
What do you think of oneplus and insectoceanx? And are you still reading Maju as scummy? It would be really hard to look back at Maju and Draco's filters and read them as scum together.
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EBWOP -- which is more than I can say for the other two replacements
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5 minutes to deadline! 1 vote keeping imallinson alive! Will we see the rare triple modkill in a mini game? Will we see a hero last minute lynch vote? Tune in at 10pm to find out!
Ze suspense, it is killing me.
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On April 28 2012 10:56 insectoceanx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 19:19 nreekay324 wrote:yomi flipped town, confirming his claim that he was making a play to get real discussion going. yomi had only the minimum 7/7 votes to be lynched, however. By acting crazy in the beginning, yomi singled himself out; as my first theory of Maju getting thrown under the bus is wrong (maybe), it seems more likely yomi was to be that easy target to get bussed. Some notes on yomi votes, may be more useful later in the game then now; + Show Spoiler +0-1 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
This seems highly unlikely. As a townie gaining so much suspicion early on, the mafia probably put him on their agenda and wanted to push us to mislynch him. Because of yomi’s early suspicion, early votes AGAINST him seem less suspicious as well. According to Midnight’s prelim vote count, some 6 hours before deadline, only 5 people had their vote on yomi, and not until somewhat close to the end 2 votes changed. As I previously mentioned, early votes against yomi would be less prone to suspicion, especially because there was a (so-so) case on him early on.
2-3 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
Seems extremely likely. The duration of yomi’s erratic play, probably a little over a day, would surely be long enough for two scum to make a case against him, and vote so. (or one make a case and another simply cite their support of someone else’s). The majority of the mafia would need to vote for yomi as he had the minimum 7/7. And with enough town support, it would be favorable to have someone NOT voting yomi, as a safety-card for when yomi flips green (2 votes). There is then always the consideration all 3 mafia voted for yomi, but it would be unfavorable to tunnel vision the votes.
WIFOM? + Show Spoiler + (Am i using WIFOM right?) As I was looking at the votes and writing this, I wanted to look at 0, 1, 2, 3, votes individually. But I realized this would be circular logic because I’d be making too many assumptions about the mafia’s agenda. However, I am convinced that the mafia worked to get yomi mis-lynched because yomi did so much of the mafia’s work for them. So some of my reads come from this likely motive.
That lead me to here.... some of my reads, and my reasoning 1. ArcticFox + Show Spoiler + First to vote yomi, but only after yomi has had enough time to make a case against himself. Also, he pressures everyone to vote yomi as the deadline approaches, insisting yomi’s play has been too scummy, and not acting erratically. Also, looking at his filter, I notice that AF posts are 1)plentiful, 2)insistent on good town discussion 3)provide pressure to lurkers 4)continously PRESSURES lurkers. And then this post + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 10:26 ArcticFox wrote:That quote *was* originally mine btw. It keeps getting credited to nreekay and I don't appreciate it. >.> Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 10:07 yomi wrote:
you are being way way way way too passive right now. post. a lot more. don't let anyone lurk. make them just post whatever's on their mind. this is SUPER stressful for mafia. mafia have to re-read their posts 10 times before posting and are super super careful about everything. making them have to give an opinion on everything is awful for a mafia. so punish (really punish, not just threaten) the lurkers hard and anyone that won't come out with near-constant lists of their reads on everyone and why. mafia hate hate hate that environment. on the other hand don't let it get super cluttered. just make everyone come out with frequent clear posts. last game you guys really almost had us on day 2. it was super scary how the posting was going. very organized, very clear, very concise. I just managed to discredit xatalos to win it but otherwise you guys had us made, many of the lists had 3 or 4 players picked of which 2 were mafia.
firm, aggressive, but reasoned and frequent posting is mafia's enemy. Really good advice that I don't want to go unnoticed. Our last game had over twice the amount of posting by this time, and it's hard to scumhunt when half the thread is inactive. He insists on being a strong pro-town voice and contributing to good town environment. strikes me as TOWN. Insectoceanx + Show Spoiler +I originally read insectoceanx as probably town, but this was mostly because he had the same read on Zealos as me, that Zealos is scum. However, insectoceanx then is the final vote on a vote change to get yomi lynched. This wasn’t the suspicious part, as I woke up a little before the deadline to scope out the yomi vote count. Insectoceanx could honestly have wanted to see what yomi flipped, as yomi’s ending play wasn’t really enough to redeem him ( and people weren’t around to discuss this, myself included). But then he posts this; + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 11:07 insectoceanx wrote:
That is all I have to say about changing my vote to yomi, I think zealos is the greatest chance of being scum at this point but yomi is close behind and I changed my vote to him for the sake of getting a lynch.
While I have not posted often, what I have posted is a collection of my thoughts from everything going on. These thoughts have not been one liners or contentless.
imallinson does make me a little suspicous with his last post being a little recap of what everyone else has discussed without adding anything of substance, he then votes for yomi, which i don't know if he is just jumping on the bandwagon at the end or not.
I agree with imallinson's assement that fox is not scum.
I am unsure of everyone else besides that zealos seems really scummy.
Maju is hard to read as most of what he said is in defence to yomi's erratic voting towards him. This came shortly after Night 1 began. Over half this post is insectoceanx defending himself, (Not sure of the grammar of 1st clause), trying to divert suspicion onto imallinson / zealos. I can’t analyze it much further, but this post seemed overly anxious in defending himself. SUSPICIOUS Imallinson + Show Spoiler + Bandwagon’d yomi, few posts.SUSPICIOUS Oneplus + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 16:09 oneplus wrote:
@Maju, Nreekay got the same read as me on Yomi which he’s an idiotic towny playing scummy. We are not protecting him, we want to bring out the fact that this is a possibility on his play. We should think out of the box and evaluating all the possibility, it is too early to make comfirmation that "Yomi is a scum" yet in my point of view. I just want everyone to think twice before yomi.
Maju, suspecting someone who is not defending you is not a good town play. He was the main, only supporter of yomi. Whether or not this was a scum “oh I called it, I must be town” play, I’m not sure. But I do know that in the above quote, he includes me in his read of yomi as an idiotic towny playing scummy. But he seemed much, much more sure than I was (I mainly thought Zealos was safer lynch) I don’t see any reason for mafia to single themselves out this much, especially before yomi started revealing his accusation play. strikes me as TOWN. Zealos + Show Spoiler +I had originally thought scum, 100%. Now I think he may have been caught up in yomi’s play. Zealos didn’t set Maju up for yomi to accuse. It seems, now, rather Zealos got swept into the play. And the more he got accused, the more cynical he got. But Zealos has neither come up with a defense nor indirectly done so by contributing. As yomi pointed out (RIP), Zealos has still been setting up Maju. I’m at 75% right now, so for now FOS List FOS1. Zealos 2. Insectoceanx 3. Imallinson Better be town1. ArcticFox 2. oneplus + Show Spoiler + If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. + Show Spoiler + If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face Looking back at this post by nreekay, it gives me one fear. This fear is only in my mind if imallinson ends up not being mafia... Show nested quote +If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face + Show Spoiler +Could this be the line that got nreekay killed? What if Arcticfox is mafia. Case: He has been most active in routing out lurkers in a game filled by lurkers. All the lurkers cannot be mafia, and if the mafia were not lurkers they would be pretty high above suspicion. Case in point, Arcticfox who has spent his entire time confronting lurkers and has never been suspected. The downside of lynch all lurkers is that the active mafia could put all suspicion on townies that lurk. That part of nreekays post is the only thing that makes him stand out in anyway, all of his other posts never really said much. Again this may just be complete bs, but I also share nreekays fear, if he is mafia we are all in a lot of trouble.
He also called you out as scum in the same post, you know.
If you want to build a case against me, go for it. There's almost 70 posts worth of material for you to work with. If your case is that I'm pressuring lurkers, you've got a long way to go.
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Midnight, you have NO idea how hard I needed that laugh. That picture and those lines sum up how I feel so well.
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On April 28 2012 11:11 insectoceanx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 10:59 ArcticFox wrote:On April 28 2012 10:56 insectoceanx wrote:On April 25 2012 19:19 nreekay324 wrote:yomi flipped town, confirming his claim that he was making a play to get real discussion going. yomi had only the minimum 7/7 votes to be lynched, however. By acting crazy in the beginning, yomi singled himself out; as my first theory of Maju getting thrown under the bus is wrong (maybe), it seems more likely yomi was to be that easy target to get bussed. Some notes on yomi votes, may be more useful later in the game then now; + Show Spoiler +0-1 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
This seems highly unlikely. As a townie gaining so much suspicion early on, the mafia probably put him on their agenda and wanted to push us to mislynch him. Because of yomi’s early suspicion, early votes AGAINST him seem less suspicious as well. According to Midnight’s prelim vote count, some 6 hours before deadline, only 5 people had their vote on yomi, and not until somewhat close to the end 2 votes changed. As I previously mentioned, early votes against yomi would be less prone to suspicion, especially because there was a (so-so) case on him early on.
2-3 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler +
Seems extremely likely. The duration of yomi’s erratic play, probably a little over a day, would surely be long enough for two scum to make a case against him, and vote so. (or one make a case and another simply cite their support of someone else’s). The majority of the mafia would need to vote for yomi as he had the minimum 7/7. And with enough town support, it would be favorable to have someone NOT voting yomi, as a safety-card for when yomi flips green (2 votes). There is then always the consideration all 3 mafia voted for yomi, but it would be unfavorable to tunnel vision the votes.
WIFOM? + Show Spoiler + (Am i using WIFOM right?) As I was looking at the votes and writing this, I wanted to look at 0, 1, 2, 3, votes individually. But I realized this would be circular logic because I’d be making too many assumptions about the mafia’s agenda. However, I am convinced that the mafia worked to get yomi mis-lynched because yomi did so much of the mafia’s work for them. So some of my reads come from this likely motive.
That lead me to here.... some of my reads, and my reasoning 1. ArcticFox + Show Spoiler + First to vote yomi, but only after yomi has had enough time to make a case against himself. Also, he pressures everyone to vote yomi as the deadline approaches, insisting yomi’s play has been too scummy, and not acting erratically. Also, looking at his filter, I notice that AF posts are 1)plentiful, 2)insistent on good town discussion 3)provide pressure to lurkers 4)continously PRESSURES lurkers. And then this post + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 10:26 ArcticFox wrote:That quote *was* originally mine btw. It keeps getting credited to nreekay and I don't appreciate it. >.> Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 10:07 yomi wrote:
you are being way way way way too passive right now. post. a lot more. don't let anyone lurk. make them just post whatever's on their mind. this is SUPER stressful for mafia. mafia have to re-read their posts 10 times before posting and are super super careful about everything. making them have to give an opinion on everything is awful for a mafia. so punish (really punish, not just threaten) the lurkers hard and anyone that won't come out with near-constant lists of their reads on everyone and why. mafia hate hate hate that environment. on the other hand don't let it get super cluttered. just make everyone come out with frequent clear posts. last game you guys really almost had us on day 2. it was super scary how the posting was going. very organized, very clear, very concise. I just managed to discredit xatalos to win it but otherwise you guys had us made, many of the lists had 3 or 4 players picked of which 2 were mafia.
firm, aggressive, but reasoned and frequent posting is mafia's enemy. Really good advice that I don't want to go unnoticed. Our last game had over twice the amount of posting by this time, and it's hard to scumhunt when half the thread is inactive. He insists on being a strong pro-town voice and contributing to good town environment. strikes me as TOWN. Insectoceanx + Show Spoiler +I originally read insectoceanx as probably town, but this was mostly because he had the same read on Zealos as me, that Zealos is scum. However, insectoceanx then is the final vote on a vote change to get yomi lynched. This wasn’t the suspicious part, as I woke up a little before the deadline to scope out the yomi vote count. Insectoceanx could honestly have wanted to see what yomi flipped, as yomi’s ending play wasn’t really enough to redeem him ( and people weren’t around to discuss this, myself included). But then he posts this; + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 11:07 insectoceanx wrote:
That is all I have to say about changing my vote to yomi, I think zealos is the greatest chance of being scum at this point but yomi is close behind and I changed my vote to him for the sake of getting a lynch.
While I have not posted often, what I have posted is a collection of my thoughts from everything going on. These thoughts have not been one liners or contentless.
imallinson does make me a little suspicous with his last post being a little recap of what everyone else has discussed without adding anything of substance, he then votes for yomi, which i don't know if he is just jumping on the bandwagon at the end or not.
I agree with imallinson's assement that fox is not scum.
I am unsure of everyone else besides that zealos seems really scummy.
Maju is hard to read as most of what he said is in defence to yomi's erratic voting towards him. This came shortly after Night 1 began. Over half this post is insectoceanx defending himself, (Not sure of the grammar of 1st clause), trying to divert suspicion onto imallinson / zealos. I can’t analyze it much further, but this post seemed overly anxious in defending himself. SUSPICIOUS Imallinson + Show Spoiler + Bandwagon’d yomi, few posts.SUSPICIOUS Oneplus + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 16:09 oneplus wrote:
@Maju, Nreekay got the same read as me on Yomi which he’s an idiotic towny playing scummy. We are not protecting him, we want to bring out the fact that this is a possibility on his play. We should think out of the box and evaluating all the possibility, it is too early to make comfirmation that "Yomi is a scum" yet in my point of view. I just want everyone to think twice before yomi.
Maju, suspecting someone who is not defending you is not a good town play. He was the main, only supporter of yomi. Whether or not this was a scum “oh I called it, I must be town” play, I’m not sure. But I do know that in the above quote, he includes me in his read of yomi as an idiotic towny playing scummy. But he seemed much, much more sure than I was (I mainly thought Zealos was safer lynch) I don’t see any reason for mafia to single themselves out this much, especially before yomi started revealing his accusation play. strikes me as TOWN. Zealos + Show Spoiler +I had originally thought scum, 100%. Now I think he may have been caught up in yomi’s play. Zealos didn’t set Maju up for yomi to accuse. It seems, now, rather Zealos got swept into the play. And the more he got accused, the more cynical he got. But Zealos has neither come up with a defense nor indirectly done so by contributing. As yomi pointed out (RIP), Zealos has still been setting up Maju. I’m at 75% right now, so for now FOS List FOS1. Zealos 2. Insectoceanx 3. Imallinson Better be town1. ArcticFox 2. oneplus + Show Spoiler + If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. + Show Spoiler + If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face Looking back at this post by nreekay, it gives me one fear. This fear is only in my mind if imallinson ends up not being mafia... If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face + Show Spoiler +Could this be the line that got nreekay killed? What if Arcticfox is mafia. Case: He has been most active in routing out lurkers in a game filled by lurkers. All the lurkers cannot be mafia, and if the mafia were not lurkers they would be pretty high above suspicion. Case in point, Arcticfox who has spent his entire time confronting lurkers and has never been suspected. The downside of lynch all lurkers is that the active mafia could put all suspicion on townies that lurk. That part of nreekays post is the only thing that makes him stand out in anyway, all of his other posts never really said much. Again this may just be complete bs, but I also share nreekays fear, if he is mafia we are all in a lot of trouble. He also called you out as scum in the same post, you know. If you want to build a case against me, go for it. There's almost 70 posts worth of material for you to work with. If your case is that I'm pressuring lurkers, you've got a long way to go. As I said this is not a full strung theory, and since there was no lynch it has no evidence behind it all. With no info on so many players as they have not posted, and now not even voted it seems to me as a somewhat valid fear. The question now is where do we go from here? We have 3 days before we can lynch again and we lose another townie tomorrow night.
My theory is that they were afraid to shoot me because they were afraid of a medic possibly being there, so they shot into the town got INCREDIBLY lucky with a blue snipe. You can confirm that theory when I turn up dead tonight.
You'll also notice that his suspect list lines up right with mine -- imallinson, zealos, and you. I add in oneplus as a suspect because I wasn't as convinced that his posting was as good as people thought. Now, with oneplus being the reason that we couldn't get imallinson lynched, there's even more reason to suspect him.
I'm almost certain that 3 out of the 4 of you are the scum team. The rest of the night is just figuring out who's who before I'm shot.
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EBWOP -- I had town/null reads on the people that the no-voters replaced, with the exception of Draco who could be scum. Stossel could still be scum. Hard to tell when they don't post, so my job is to get my strongest scum read lynched first (imallinson), and hopefully the replacements post so we can figure out which side they're on.
It's all we can really do.
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Shocker.
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Oh man this game was so frustrating. Beyond frustrating. >< So frustrating that I'm taking a break from mafia for a while because of it. Which is fine, I need to focus on my SC2 anyway. I'll keep lurking and watching though. ^_^
I had Zealos made Day 1 (like everyone else on the planet), but I never pushed him. yomi came out of the gate acting like a crazy person (i.e. -- exactly how he did in SMMVIII) and I was just so sure he was scum right up until about 2 hours to deadline. That close to deadline though, I couldn't be sure that he wasn't just a scum begging for his life. =/
Night 1 I made a misstep in mentioning that we should shut up, when really, the game was too inactive to merit that.
Day 2. The Hell day. Nobody was posting. It was annoying. Still had Zealos made, his posting didn't really improve at all until I thread-coached him into it. imallinson was just inactive as hell (and ALSO playing just like SMMVIII) but Zealos should have been the obvious candidate anyway.
I pushed imallinson because I thought both he and Zealos were scum, and I could lynch one today and set up a lynch on the other the next. By the time I woke up the next day I realized that I had made a mistake, but there was NO WAY to get the vote changed over to Zealos by then. Hell, the thread wasn't even active enough to get imallinson lynched, let alone get the vote switched over to someone new. (more on this later)
And Night 2 I was dead. I was mafia shot, roleblocked (which I don't think stops vet? really wish I had been though.  ), AND vigi shot. VIGI SHOT. Really, I was your scummiest choice?
I PM'd 3 different people for coaching. sandroba gave me some solid advice with a "there's enough information in the thread for you to find the scum, fuck the discussion, they're going to keep lurking, just PUSH PUSH PUSH." -- I just took that advice and pushed the wrong guy. XD But it was still good advice, I was too passive after I had someone made.
wherebugsgo gets coach MVP though. He took the time to go through a meandering book of a post I sent him and answer every one of my points individually, and give me a real direction to go. My next game is going to be much, MUCH stronger due to his advice and I send many thanks and your favorite alcoholic beverage your way. <3
As a final note, I really, REALLY am against the idea of an extended majority lynch in newbie games. It's hard enough for town to reach a consensus, even when everyone's playing -- just 3 people going inactive made it more or less impossible for town to get anything done until the lynching rules were changed Day 3. Day 2 I wanted to get the vote switched to Zealos so bad, but with 12 hours left and an inactive town, it was literally impossible to do so, while I could have managed it in a Plurality Lynch.
Either way, I did at least have some fun (until about middle of Day 2) even if inactivity did screw the game for town. I also learned a ton from the coaches. Thanks to GM and Midnight for putting this on and dealing with the frustration of having to find a million replacements. ^_^
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On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
I felt bad shooting you Arctic. Real bad, you were the only one really posting much of anything.
lol, hey, that's how the game goes. If you're mafia, you take out the top townies and make the rest sheep you. You did what you needed to to win.
I will say you got crazy lucky N1 with that medic hit, else I would have made your Day 3 a living hell. 
Of course, even as vet I would have been dead N2 since I got vig shot and mafia shot. So many bullet holes. x.x
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On May 05 2012 00:03 oneplus wrote:
This is so sad T.T I wan a lynch between draco and zealos since day2. Well sorry Arctic i shoot you because you are not supporting my proposal which is lynch between draco and zealos which make me think that you are in their gang.
First off, I was totally for a Zealos lynch. By the time you showed up in the day though, it was way too late to get the vote switched off (again, Extended Majority Lynch sucks T_T), so I stuck with the vote I thought I could get pushed through, seeing as I thought both were scum. Draco I wasn't sure about just yet, but I was getting there.
Second....why not shoot either Draco or Zealos then?!?!?! Shooting me made absolutely no sense. T_T
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On May 05 2012 08:20 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:36 ArcticFox wrote:On May 04 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:
I was such an obvious an obnoxious mafia :3
I felt bad shooting you Arctic. Real bad, you were the only one really posting much of anything. lol, hey, that's how the game goes. If you're mafia, you take out the top townies and make the rest sheep you. You did what you needed to to win. I will say you got crazy lucky N1 with that medic hit, else I would have made your Day 3 a living hell. Of course, even as vet I would have been dead N2 since I got vig shot and mafia shot. So many bullet holes. x.x Here is mine line of thinking, ArcticFox: 1) Had Mutant continued playing, you would have been a bad kill, because you thought him to be very likely town. And being desperate, you needed to count on some. 2) The kill on you only meant a very little bit, because you were nearly the only active at the time it happened. Basically to kill the motivation of the town. 3) However, you really didn't do anything, but post. As active as you were, you could have pretty much been the driving force of the town(with FTD away), but you never were, just most active, and therefore most likely town, with few gonna question that. I hope you understand what I mean with this. If you thought you were gonna be killed, you should have guided the town somewhere other than inactivity(for the most part). Mafia basically just continued with that. 4) It was crazy lucky that Insect voted for Yomi. I had forgotten about the majority vote, and wasn't online after I gave my vote, so never read Scum QT till next day. That Nreekay was medic was a lucky hit, bluerole, not so much. He was aimed at for being read as one of the best players, though hadn't participated much, and what I thought was a breadcrumb - furthermore with little notice of him - and him on to Zealos, made him a good early kill - and most of my focus throughout was finding blueroles. It can't be done with so little without luck, and we were lucky to some degree, but not as much as you thought throughout, and you should have delved more into the kill, rather than just thinking it was a lucky hit, and now you could die. I really felt sorry for you, and from what you say, you have spent a lot of time into the game,but as it seems you didn't trust your own gut very much. And though I am more than certain wherebugsgo, have been a superb help in himself, it seemed to have a paralyzing effect on you. Of course I do take into account that your premises were very poor, and motivation would be hard.
I didn't send messages to wbg until Night 2, where I was already fucked. XD And let me quote something from that PM that I sent him:
"My weakness, on the other hand, is that my analysis skills are piss poor -- being the towniest town that ever towned a town is fucking useless if I sheep the town into lynching other town every time. Right now, based on what I perceive as "scum", over half the town could be scum."
As JJ was mentioning earlier, I need to stick to my Day 1 reads harder and push those -- Zealos and Draco/Stossel would have been lynched Day 2 and 3 in that case. I end up WIFOMing and second-guessing myself all day. I didn't have anyone to bounce ideas off of either and keep me on the right track, because the only other person talking was scum. -_-
That's why we have newbie games though, to learn.
At least I didn't quit halfway through the game like some people. *glares in your general direction*
And actually, I also *was* the driving force in town, just, as mentioned, my scumreading skills were godawful. I got yomi lynched D1, and I did my damnedest on Day 2 to get imallinson lynched, just nobody showed up to finish it off. =/
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