EPTTL Mafia 'Area' LIII - Page 69
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You couldn't put that in 1 sentence instead of 4? Also you didn't bring me out, I brought myself out. Although if you want to put the credit on someone else it would be gonzaw and his legitimately solid case. How often have you seen the following situation? => OMG HE LURKS ##VOTE LURK => Hi guys Im back => OMG HE NO LURKS ANYMOAR ##UNVOTE LURK That's the same fucking thing. Geez. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:50 Mementoss wrote: Two fairly convincing cases on Zephridd, scum buddies trying to bail ottoxol out? Seems unlikely at least for marv, not sure what to think about sentinel though. The fact that Sentinel is posting a legit case when hes in no danger to get lynched today gives him a lil' bit of town cred in my book, that is unless, both him and ottoxlol are scum. However I got a question for you Marv: What would scum motivation be saying lynching Risen or Johnny is retarded unless one of them is scum as well. Or unless its just completely random. Do you have a scum read on either Risen or Johnny? Also, why would he mention Johnny of all people, someone who was pushing the lynch down his neck very early. Just search Johnny in Zeph's filter to see how much they interact negatively. Hmm. I can't see johnny being scum at this stage. His posting has simply been too sincere. Risen is a possibility, but I kinda have a null read on him atm - I've not seriously combed his posts. I don't think it's worth that much to think about connections like that right now, because it could mean anything. If you or anyone has a serious objection against my case or others brought against Zephirdd, now is the time to say so, because as it stands he is my clearest scum read. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Earilier i may have written that gonzaw made points against him but i was incorrect. SlOosh is the player that made a case against him. Since Mignight Gladius is probably scum, hitting slOosh has become much more understandable. Mignight is not being proactive about posting and he has again tried to play down and discredit my accusations against him rather than be open or honest about his acitions. He has kept his posting to a minimum. Today we have had a much more "productive" discussion, and by that i mean nearly everything has been centred about who to lynch and why, it has consisted largely of players giving their opinions and sharing reads. By contrast much of yesterday was spent discussing the set-up (to get discussion going) there was an awful lot of trashy/hateful posting proportionally far less of the postin gthat we have seen today. When the discussion was not serious but was easy to post thoughts without having to give strong opinions Mignight was posting a lot and he was posting long. Now that he can only post about who he thinks the scum are, he has gone quiet, and the posts he has made have been shorter and devoid of content. i also didn't place vote yesterday ##vote MignightGladius | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:51 Zephirdd wrote: gotta love StDaniel's ninja vote. Also gotta love how forced people are analyzing my posts. Geez I should play more like Kenpachi and Bill Murray, I bet I'd feel more comfortable with this. Sentinel, I just pointed out town-confirmed reads, as in, reads that can be trusted to be pro-town. Opinions that we know that aren't scum opinions. Y'know, trustable opinions. No, I never said they are right. Marv, just because I never mention Sentinel, teh lurker, doesn't mean I can't vote him to bring him out. Simply put, after he posted I switched to Ottoxlol. I Love how Midnight, StDaniel and marvellosity switched their votes to me at the end of the day. I am aware that I need one more vote to be sniped, which will be achieved by some clueless town or simply by the fourth scum(*ahem Ottoxlol ahem*) It's okay. I admit I've done some shit there and here, but some town players should realize that a lot of these 'cases' are just bad logic. When I flip green, you'll realize how dumb all of this was. Scum, you are killing yourselves by trying to kill me. Just a tip. So you moved your vote off someone you didn't mention before on to something else. Let's look at your entire filter and your cases and mention of Ottoxlol. On April 25 2012 09:49 Zephirdd wrote: My scum reads are actually similar to BH's: marv, Midnight and Ottoxlol look bad to me. In fact, I'd say Ottoxlol is a better target than Sentinel for now. That's it. Literally, that's all you have on Ottoxlol. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:58 Zephirdd wrote: How often have you seen the following situation? => OMG HE LURKS ##VOTE LURK => Hi guys Im back => OMG HE NO LURKS ANYMOAR ##UNVOTE LURK That's the same fucking thing. Geez. No, I'm special. I don't have to lurk to be considered a scum. Welp, that's it for me. I'll be home around 01:30 GMT (+00:00) to check out the thread, and I wish you all the best of luck. Let's hope we get someone red today | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote: I can't see johnny being scum at this stage. His posting has simply been too sincere. Risen is a possibility, but I kinda have a null read on him atm - I've not seriously combed his posts. I don't think it's worth that much to think about connections like that right now, because it could mean anything. If you or anyone has a serious objection against my case or others brought against Zephirdd, now is the time to say so, because as it stands he is my clearest scum read. Honestly the evidence against both them seems good to me, both cases are well laid out and have a couple people supporting them on both sides. They are almost equally scummy to me, right now im looking at who I see green on which sides Zeph: Marv (greenish) St.Daniel (null-red) MG (null-red) Janaan (null) Jdub (greenish) Ottoxlol: Mementoss(green) sent (null-green) Zeph (red) BM (null-red) Risen (greenish) ghost (null) Lol that didn't help me out at all. Also we have 2 confirmed town who thought either of them were scum before they died (Gonzaw and BJ respectively) Fuck. This is hard shit. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 09:16 Zephirdd wrote: Okay, whoever thinks what he did was reasonable should also rethink a little. I"m not taking blame for that either; it was VE's own play that did that. His claim made no sense and he did us the favor of not posting the freaking case against him. I'm all into a marv. lynch for the next day given how bad he wanted VE dead. I mean seriously, his latest posts were like a dog drooling at a piece of meat. On April 23 2012 09:53 Zephirdd wrote: because it's fun to create a scumlist prior doing any analysis or whatsoever, MidnightGladius marvellosity PaqMan --insert unknown scum here-- List done out of pure feelings and zero evidence or analysis and should not be taken seriously at all Also, may I remind you that my vote was completely and ultimately worthless, as in, even if I didn't vote VE would die. Also, keep this in your mind: if I knew VE was going to die already, and if I already knew he was a JK(as in, if I was scum), why the fuck would I instantly jump right at the deadline and put a worthless vote on him when I could simply vote, say, marvellosity? Suddenly, I'm not looking that bad anymore, am I? Also I agree with BMurray being vigged. I'm not sure if he is town or scum, but it would be better if he just died and we didn't had to care about him anymore. More things that irk me: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 12:24 Zephirdd wrote: No, I haven't. It's midnight right now and I have class tomorrow. Expect something from me in about... idk, 14 to 16 hours? Yeah that should be it. I'll probably log in with my cellphone and maybe post something, but a real analysis will come in about 14 to 16 hours minimum. It's monday and I don't have to call my gf in the afternoon(finally, the girl was driving me crazy) so yeah, I'll finally get time. I may even have to retract my previous statement about you, PaqMan. I know that I've been useless so far, but I promise you all that I'm not scum right now. I also got a bit of British speech, I just finished watching Sherlock Holmes. The first one. I love these kinds of movies. You tell me that you're going to give me a real analysis. The next day you tell me this: K I was planning on making a case on someone But then I realized that there is no point in making a case right now. Instead, I'll just post whatever the fuck is flowing in my mind about the game. I agree that there's not much of a point to write up some big analysis during night, but your attitude about it screams extreme laziness to me. You're purposely putting hardly any effort into your analysis, which makes sense if you look at it from a scum point-of-view. Why would you put so much time and work into your posts when you're scum? The rest of that post is the only real contribution he's made so far. Also, you totally ignored the question I asked you. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 08:51 PaqMan wrote: Also a quick note: I think ottoxlol is bad town or good scum. Bad because well, you guys can tell from his posts and lack of any real contribution + lack of pro-town play. Good because he's fooling me into thinking he's bad town. But it is his first game, so I'm thinking bad town. Also: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 23:10 Zephirdd wrote: *sigh* BH/J flipped town. That means all the opinions from the two-headed player are town opinions. That means two town players were thinking that Marvellosity and Ottoxlol were scum. Gonzaw's latest thoughts were that me and Sentinel were scum Sloosh does not state anything specific, but he accused MG and asked for people's opinions on both me and him. Also It's his first TL Mafia game and you'd know it if you read his filter By the way, lynching Risen or johnny is retarded. IF you want my opinion, I'd say Sentinel is the best lynch target right now. Last post of his: It's been about 12 hours. He also has very little substance. Leaving my vote on him for now. This post doesn't do much except recount the dead's scumreads, which was already done by several people. But it looks like it's contributing right? I want your opinion on why it'd be retarded to lynch Risen. Read: bold I feel that Zephirdd is scummier than Sentinel. However I think either one would be a good lynch candidate. I still believe that Ottox is bad town. He's been posting consistently and he's been keeping up with his reasons even under pressure (he keeps stating that he doesn't have a scum read on anyone, etc etc). He's playing bad but I think he's town. So we should keep the lynch candidates small, as someone earlier stated. Zephirdd/Sentinel and Risen. This is the last time I'm going to post about Risen since I'm guessing I have no support whatsoever. Just please pay attention. 1) At the beginning of D1, Risen is just passively chilling. As soon as he gets mentioned and put to attention, however, he has this violent outburst. As soon as the spotlight is pointed at him, he accuses layabout of trying to start an "easy wagon." Only two people (layabout and sloosh) start discussing him and he declares himself as "easy wagon #1". + Show Spoiler [seen here] + On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. 2) After VE claims, Risen starts defending him. I agree in that Risen has some good points, but the ferocity in which he defends VE is astounding. VE claimed a role that could not be confirmed. It's as if Risen was 100% certain that VE wasn't lying about being town. He doesn't even question it. Risen hops on this and defends the HELL out of VE. He goes so far as to declaring that anyone voting VE should be lynched/vigi'd. VE even voted for himself yet Risen tries to stop other people from voting VE as if he was the one getting lynched. Does that not strike odd to anyone else? 3) His response to my case against him. It doesn't matter what he said, it's the way he responded. (it's okay Risen I forgive you). The arguments I made against him were valid and he knew it. So the only way he could respond was by throwing insults. 4) His only town contribution is the case against Ottoxlol. I think he's the scummiest out of the other two. I believe he's scum so I'll keep my vote on him a little while longer and see how Town responds. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 26 2012 07:02 layabout wrote: If you have a town read on MignightGladius please speak out. Earilier i may have written that gonzaw made points against him but i was incorrect. SlOosh is the player that made a case against him. Since Mignight Gladius is probably scum, hitting slOosh has become much more understandable. Mignight is not being proactive about posting and he has again tried to play down and discredit my accusations against him rather than be open or honest about his acitions. He has kept his posting to a minimum. Today we have had a much more "productive" discussion, and by that i mean nearly everything has been centred about who to lynch and why, it has consisted largely of players giving their opinions and sharing reads. By contrast much of yesterday was spent discussing the set-up (to get discussion going) there was an awful lot of trashy/hateful posting proportionally far less of the postin gthat we have seen today. When the discussion was not serious but was easy to post thoughts without having to give strong opinions Mignight was posting a lot and he was posting long. Now that he can only post about who he thinks the scum are, he has gone quiet, and the posts he has made have been shorter and devoid of content. i also didn't place vote yesterday ##vote MignightGladius With an hour left, I don't like that you are avoiding the 2 most popular lynches. So you can't be put on a person with a possible green flip, since you would be almost the deciding vote. Although I see I do see the possibilty of MG being scummy. | ||
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PaqMan
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Bill Murray - 1 votes Mattchew Risen - 1 Vote Paqman Zephirdd - 5 Vote johnnywup Janaan MidnightGladius St. Daniel marvellosity Ottoxlol - 6 Votes Mementoss Risen Bill Murray Zephirdd ghost_403 [UoN]Sentinel MidnightGladius - 1 Vote I think this is what it looks like. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 26 2012 07:11 Mementoss wrote: With an hour left, I don't like that you are avoiding the 2 most popular lynches. So you can't be put on a person with a possible green flip, since you would be almost the deciding vote. Although I see I do see the possibilty of MG being scummy. Agree with this. Also agree with your 'this is fucking hard as shit' comment. I have too few positive town reads to be able to narrow down the scumreads easily. There's lots of people who 'could' be scum atm. But I think Zephirdd is the most scummy by a margin (to repeat, his two votes today have a total of about 20 words combined backing them up. Wow). I would urge people to vote for Zephirdd ahead of Ottoxlol who could still just be bad town. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
I just wanna know what everyone thinks of Risen and why ;_; | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Mementoss - I can't entice you with some red Zephirdd? | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 26 2012 07:11 Mementoss wrote: With an hour left, I don't like that you are avoiding the 2 most popular lynches. So you can't be put on a person with a possible green flip, since you would be almost the deciding vote. Although I see I do see the possibilty of MG being scummy. with 2 hours left i avoiding a townread and a lynch that i view to be inferior to the person that i voted for. click here search for mentions of "zeph" or zephird in MG's filter Look at how MG says he has a scum read on zeph late into day1 (after his vote), says that we should lynch into the players that voted VE (including zephird), repeats that he has a scumread on zephird, never explains why, and then votes for Zeph because zeph did not managing to change MG's opinion of him: On April 26 2012 05:37 MidnightGladius wrote: I'm putting my vote on zeph. He has said nothing recently to make me change my mind about his earlier posting, and johnny's recent posting has made me less suspicious of him. He has stopped sheeping actively, and raises good points. I do want to tell johnny that building on gonzaw's cases is reasonable, but though we know that he was innocent, we have no idea as to whether or not he was actually right. Sentinel is pretty much impossible for me to read, and his latest WIFOM is incredibly frustrating. My intuition on him is apathetic town, but he could easily be scum, and I just can't tell. I don't feel like he's taking things at all seriously, and his unwillingness to push cases beyond Ottoxlol doesn't help. And we still have so many lurkers, and no vig claims to deal with them... BKEXE, any conclusions yet? St.Daniel, now that you're replaced out of SNMMX, any thoughts? We really can't do this without you guys. ##Vote: Zephirdd He also gives up on his "big scumread" Johnnywub that he actually bothered to make a case against day1. Judging by his lolwtf unvote of johnny to vote for ghost earlier, i can't help but wonder at what point MG decided that he couldn't push Johnny anymore, but whenever that was, it seems like it was a long time before he was willing to tell the thread. This implies that he was willing to make a case against a player that he did not think was scum to make himself look better. he makes this criticism of ottoxlol On April 25 2012 05:01 MidnightGladius wrote: I'm exhausted and going to take a nap, but I want to say that Ottoxlol's play one these last 2 pages alone is really scummy. He's willing to push any of BM, Zeph, or Sent, again without any particular conviction. The excuse "they're all equally likely to be scum to me" is incredibly flimsy. [i]not full quote] even though he is guilty of the same. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 26 2012 07:16 PaqMan wrote: Well damnit. I honestly think Ottox is bad town. I'll be part of the deciding vote and pick Zephirdd. I like the attention anyways. I just wanna know what everyone thinks of Risen and why ;_; I think Risen is town, why would he risk a blue possibly not getting lynched day 1? Its not like he said his shit and peaced. He legit stayed around trying to convince people. If VE woulda came back and contributed it coulda easily almost been a BM lynch. Scum taking that risk, I don't think so. He never said anything like confirmed town, he said you dont lynch a doctor on day 1, which no one else said before him, and I found myself agreeing with the points he was making. If he was scum, don't you think there woulda been a little bit of gloating today? Saying shit like, you shoulda listened to me, I was right, with a pinch of "im confirmed town" without saying it directly. He seems to be posting openly in day 2 discussion. Those are the reasons I think RIsen is town, however, I could be highly biased based on my in the thread at the time feelings. Also, alot of this is assuming scum agenda and WIFOM So take this opinion with a grain of salt. However I would trust him over half the people in this game atm. | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
##vote Zephirdd The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools. | ||
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