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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 26 2012 05:16 Risen wrote: I haven't looked that hard into zeph or sent b/c my strongest read is ottox. I'm not exactly comfortable voting for the same person as zephir, sent, and BM. I haven't forgotten about BM but there's almost nothing to build a case on sans shouting lurker, and since that didn't work yesterday... They might be voting their scumbuddy to gain cred, but then again they might be voting a town player they think they can wagon... But that's some serious WIFOM and assumes all three are scum, which I don't think is the case. I'll look into zephir and sent when I'm done with my eve roaming. This is the only reason I don't like my current vote on Ottox. Cause I don't trust/ have town reads on BM Zeph or Sentinel at all. Its still a debate whether hes bad town or scum. I'm keeping my vote currently, unless someone can convince me why sentinel or Zephrid would be a better vote. Just cause Gonzaw said vote out Sentinal next doesn't make him any more scummy, the only thing it means is we can trust gonzaws read was honest. But the same can be said about BJ's last read on Ottox, we know it was an honest town view. I still think that there are 1-2 scum on the remaining people alive on the VE train, while others safely put vote elsewhere to stay away from that blue flip. I know most of the votes were obviously a town mistake, but to say scum weren't all giddy at the fact of a day 1 blue lynch would most likely be false. That being said I say we lynch one (Zeph Sentinel and Ottoxlol) and shoot into the best candidate for the rest. Reference below: Marvellosity BillMurray layabout Sentinel Ottoxlol Zephridd | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
Sentinel is pretty much impossible for me to read, and his latest WIFOM is incredibly frustrating. My intuition on him is apathetic town, but he could easily be scum, and I just can't tell. I don't feel like he's taking things at all seriously, and his unwillingness to push cases beyond Ottoxlol doesn't help. And we still have so many lurkers, and no vig claims to deal with them... BKEXE, any conclusions yet? St.Daniel, now that you're replaced out of SNMMX, any thoughts? We really can't do this without you guys. ##Vote: Zephirdd | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:22 Mattchew wrote: Ottox said the truth with his comment about voting the second highest person but his silly post about a scumslip and jkjk is just so passive and deflecting and scummy It was a joke. You are no fun | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Zeph starts off arguing against Marv and MG, then posts one of the fluffiest posts of all time, a Kanye-esque "I was gonna make a case but nah, let me just tell you how much these people suck. On April 23 2012 07:45 Zephirdd wrote: Just for the record, im last minute voting VE in order to avoid a modkill; I dont recall any other candidate better than him either, although I kinda lost track since page 30 or so And what I love is how he made more convincing statements on people he wasn't lynching than the one guy he lynched. More fluff, one liners, and on to page 3. BH/J flipped town. That means all the opinions from the two-headed player are town opinions. That means two town players were thinking that Marvellosity and Ottoxlol were scum. This thing. Townies can be wrong. And he contradicts his logic in the next sentence: Gonzaw's latest thoughts were that me and Sentinel were scum Sloosh does not state anything specific, but he accused MG and asked for people's opinions on both me and him. So BH thought Otto was scum, and that makes him scum? Since Gonzaw thought you were scum, does that make you scum? Because in this particular argument you've as much evidence against Otto as you have against yourself. By the way, lynching Risen or johnny is retarded. IF you want my opinion, I'd say Sentinel is the best lynch target right now. Four hours after I get back and post my offense/defense: On April 25 2012 09:49 Zephirdd wrote: Anyhow, I'm baffled about how much people can't consolidate reads. My scum reads are actually similar to BH's: marv, Midnight and Ottoxlol look bad to me. In fact, I'd say Ottoxlol is a better target than Sentinel for now. And retracts that statement. The rest of Zeph's filter contains similarly contradictory logic, retarded voting patterns, buddying with people to get his opinions, and retracting multiple opinions of his own. I think this is textbook scum and understand a little more now why people thought I was scum based on my D1/N1 play. I'll be leaving pretty soon again and won't be home until long after the deadline, but I'm keeping my vote on Otto unless someone can convince me otherwise. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 09:32 gonzaw wrote: Okay I don't think I'll have time to make a case against Zephird before the post goes up, so here it goes: About Zephird: What I first found suspicious about him was how he only had 3 posts in the whole game like half-way through D1 (here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=29#561 ) Then he posts filler, one-liners that don't contribute at all, etc. Of course he made that horrible last-minute bandwagon-jump on VE, and spent almost all of his time after the lynch to defend himself. I didn't see him scumhunt at all, nor take active part of discussions. He lurks, yet when he posts he posts one-liners and fluff, which means he isn't actually inactive and doesn't have time/etc to post (in which case his posts would have more contributions) but just posts to avoid suspicion and to fly under the radar. He's a fine lynch as well, although I'd prefer to lynch Sentinel first Hopefully I'm posting this before the post goes up  + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 08:34 marvellosity wrote: Now I did MG, Zephirdd too. His filter mainly gets a bit more interesting in the second half. The first section of his filter he says a lot of the things I thought about the VE lynch. Namely stuff like: Alright, good. The second half of his filter is a goldmine though. He flip-flops in so many ways against me I'm having problem formatting it. Let's give it a go. Somewhat before the deadline: Ok, here we have tacit support for BH's case. He then kinda retracts it shortly after So generally a null read now, and then ANOTHER mention of the Risen observation (MG and I asking for deadline times almost simultaneously). Fair enough, let's continue. His next post contained the following 'accident': Wow, so his 'inner' thoughts were that VE flipping JK would somehow make me look incredibly bad. What? This is despite him and I making practically identical points on VE on all counts. Again, what? It continues with I've already posted how stupid it would be for scum to have been so vocally pushing the lynch near the deadline when it seemed fairly clear the lynch was going through anyway. Fine. But how badly I wanted him dead? I was simply around and active, making all the points I thought were strong (yes, sadly incorrect), and to reiterate all the points that he had made about VE as well. It's just unbelievably hypocritical. A quick segway back to where he TWICE comments on Risen's observation about MG and I posted about the deadline at about the same time, if I may. Hrrr. Ok, what do we have so far on Zephirdd's kinda-finger-pointing-at-marv. He doesn't see anything particularly scummy in my filter other than some supposed scumslip, but then he kinda wants to lynch me because I wanted VE dead for all the same reasons he did, I was just more vocal about it. For emphasis. Lastly, he promises us a case on someone. Instead we get a load more wishy-washy finger-pointing. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 03:34 Zephirdd wrote: K I was planning on making a case on someone But then I realized that there is no point in making a case right now. Instead, I'll just post whatever the fuck is flowing in my mind about the game. MG strikes scummy to me. I don't know how he switched out of marvellosity into "I think lynching marv would be a terrible mislynch" so easily; especially when marvellosity's posting hasn't been that better. Oh, and I have to be honest here: I was willing to yell OH MY GOD YOU SUCK when he decided I should be lynched tomorrow, given everything that happened. He saw the easy lynch target in me after my "last minute" voting shit and decided it would be easy to push a wagon on me. Oh, and that way he switched out of marv makes me think he was just bussing him. johny strikes me as a bad town for sheeping the one guy that was voting him. This or MG is town and john is a scared scum; But to be honest he hasn't made much bad on the game so I can't really call him scum; hence 'bad town'. In fact, not even bad, just one bad move tbh. marvellosity has not made an actual case and went to VE's wagon(along with me). Although this is forgivable, I don't like activity without substance. There is not one scum push made by marvellosity besides VE. He talks about how BH is tunneling him, yet all he did was to talk about VE without caring about making connections or anything. Even now, he is caring about a worthless defense when he should be genuinely attacking someone. Yeah scum StDaniel inactivity is sad and I don't know if I should call him scum or not; when he has posted on another game(as pointed by someone else), that makes me think he is actually scum afraid of posting - very common considering it's his first TL game. Bill Murray sounds like a Kenpachi/Palmar mix. Fuck day 1, day 2 is where the action is at eh? At very least he hasn't been disruptive so far. Wouldn't mind a vig shot if he will keep playing like that tho. Well, I *kinda* have other reads but they are all null or town/null so, there you have it. Ask Me Anything. Overall? Zephirdd is looking pretty bloody scummy Anyway, a couple more things. Zephirdd thinking VE was scummy as fuck (all well and good) On April 23 2012 08:52 Zephirdd wrote: The simple fact that people are defending him right now makes it justifiable as scum. The fact that he didn't give us anything to work on in the event of his lynch(ie a fucking case or a simple "I think X is scum") makes no sense from JK pov. hence it's scummy as fuck. Again saying VE was superscummy On April 23 2012 09:16 Zephirdd wrote: Okay, whoever thinks what he did was reasonable should also rethink a little. I"m not taking blame for that either; it was VE's own play that did that. His claim made no sense and he did us the favor of not posting the freaking case against him. I'm all into a marv. lynch for the next day given how bad he wanted VE dead. I mean seriously, his latest posts were like a dog drooling at a piece of meat. But somehow he mysteriously makes the leap that I am now scum because of how badly I wanted VE dead. What is this? Stating so absolutely strongly himself how scummy VE was - why would I look bad for pushing someone who is 'scummy as fuck' - his words? Does it not make sense to push someone you think is scummy as fuck? Gonna bring up his 'inner thoughts' post again On April 23 2012 08:48 Zephirdd wrote: Now for instance, were VE really JK, this would make marvellosity look incredibly and extremely bad. Why? because fuck yes. I would look really bad because I was convinced - just like you and other people? Or... that I would become a handy scapegoat for the VE lynch? Yeah. Finally. I went to look at his voting pattern for today. It turns out he placed a vote on Sentinel, without, as far as I can see, mentioning him ONCE. The first time he mentions him is this - so apparently this is the entire reason he's voting for him? On April 24 2012 23:10 Zephirdd wrote: By the way, lynching Risen or johnny is retarded. IF you want my opinion, I'd say Sentinel is the best lynch target right now. Last post of his: It's been about 12 hours. He also has very little substance. Leaving my vote on him for now. Interestingly one of his defences against my spoilered post was that he hadn't promised a CASE, but an ANALYSIS. Was Sentinel on there? On April 24 2012 03:34 Zephirdd wrote: K I was planning on making a case on someone But then I realized that there is no point in making a case right now. Instead, I'll just post whatever the fuck is flowing in my mind about the game. MG strikes scummy to me. I don't know how he switched out of marvellosity into "I think lynching marv would be a terrible mislynch" so easily; especially when marvellosity's posting hasn't been that better. Oh, and I have to be honest here: I was willing to yell OH MY GOD YOU SUCK when he decided I should be lynched tomorrow, given everything that happened. He saw the easy lynch target in me after my "last minute" voting shit and decided it would be easy to push a wagon on me. Oh, and that way he switched out of marv makes me think he was just bussing him. johny strikes me as a bad town for sheeping the one guy that was voting him. This or MG is town and john is a scared scum; But to be honest he hasn't made much bad on the game so I can't really call him scum; hence 'bad town'. In fact, not even bad, just one bad move tbh. marvellosity has not made an actual case and went to VE's wagon(along with me). Although this is forgivable, I don't like activity without substance. There is not one scum push made by marvellosity besides VE. He talks about how BH is tunneling him, yet all he did was to talk about VE without caring about making connections or anything. Even now, he is caring about a worthless defense when he should be genuinely attacking someone. Yeah scum StDaniel inactivity is sad and I don't know if I should call him scum or not; when he has posted on another game(as pointed by someone else), that makes me think he is actually scum afraid of posting - very common considering it's his first TL game. Bill Murray sounds like a Kenpachi/Palmar mix. Fuck day 1, day 2 is where the action is at eh? At very least he hasn't been disruptive so far. Wouldn't mind a vig shot if he will keep playing like that tho. Well, I *kinda* have other reads but they are all null or town/null so, there you have it. Ask Me Anything. Um, nope. Whaddafuck? What the heck is this vote on Sentinel? Tonight I am voting for Zephirdd because he is scum | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
St. Daniel has voted for him without saying anything here. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
However I got a question for you Marv: On April 24 2012 23:10 Zephirdd wrote: By the way, lynching Risen or johnny is retarded. IF you want my opinion, I'd say Sentinel is the best lynch target right now. Last post of his: It's been about 12 hours. He also has very little substance. Leaving my vote on him for now. What would scum motivation be saying lynching Risen or Johnny is retarded unless one of them is scum as well. Or unless its just completely random. Do you have a scum read on either Risen or Johnny? Also, why would he mention Johnny of all people, someone who was pushing the lynch down his neck very early. Just search Johnny in Zeph's filter to see how much they interact negatively. Hmm. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:50 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, now I've voted for Zephirdd scum, I wish to note something else. St. Daniel has voted for him without saying anything here. dafuq | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Also gotta love how forced people are analyzing my posts. Geez I should play more like Kenpachi and Bill Murray, I bet I'd feel more comfortable with this. Sentinel, I just pointed out town-confirmed reads, as in, reads that can be trusted to be pro-town. Opinions that we know that aren't scum opinions. Y'know, trustable opinions. No, I never said they are right. Marv, just because I never mention Sentinel, teh lurker, doesn't mean I can't vote him to bring him out. Simply put, after he posted I switched to Ottoxlol. I Love how Midnight, StDaniel and marvellosity switched their votes to me at the end of the day. I am aware that I need one more vote to be sniped, which will be achieved by some clueless town or simply by the fourth scum(*ahem Ottoxlol ahem*) It's okay. I admit I've done some shit there and here, but some town players should realize that a lot of these 'cases' are just bad logic. When I flip green, you'll realize how dumb all of this was. Scum, you are killing yourselves by trying to kill me. Just a tip. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:50 Mementoss wrote: Two fairly convincing cases on Zephridd, scum buddies trying to bail ottoxol out? Seems unlikely at least for marv, not sure what to think about sentinel though. The fact that Sentinel is posting a legit case when hes in no danger to get lynched today gives him a lil' bit of town cred in my book, that is unless, both him and ottoxlol are scum. However I got a question for you Marv: What would scum motivation be saying lynching Risen or Johnny is retarded unless one of them is scum as well. Or unless its just completely random. Do you have a scum read on either Risen or Johnny? Also, why would he mention Johnny of all people, someone who was pushing the lynch down his neck very early. Just search Johnny in Zeph's filter to see how much they interact negatively. Hmm. I mention Johnny because I know exactly how he feels. He thinks he found scum, he is completely sure he found scum, and he will try as hard as possible to kill that scum. But he is wrong. He is town, but he is a town with a wrong read. Also got a strong green read on Risen | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:50 Mementoss wrote: Two fairly convincing cases on Zephridd, scum buddies trying to bail ottoxol out? Seems unlikely at least for marv, not sure what to think about sentinel though. The fact that Sentinel is posting a legit case when hes in no danger to get lynched today gives him a lil' bit of town cred in my book, that is unless, both him and ottoxlol are scum. Sent did a case on Zeph, but he left his vote on me so he's not really helping me | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:51 Zephirdd wrote: gotta love StDaniel's ninja vote. Also gotta love how forced people are analyzing my posts. Geez I should play more like Kenpachi and Bill Murray, I bet I'd feel more comfortable with this. Sentinel, I just pointed out town-confirmed reads, as in, reads that can be trusted to be pro-town. Opinions that we know that aren't scum opinions. Y'know, trustable opinions. No, I never said they are right. Marv, just because I never mention Sentinel, teh lurker, doesn't mean I can't vote him to bring him out. Simply put, after he posted I switched to Ottoxlol. I Love how Midnight, StDaniel and marvellosity switched their votes to me at the end of the day. I am aware that I need one more vote to be sniped, which will be achieved by some clueless town or simply by the fourth scum(*ahem Ottoxlol ahem*) It's okay. I admit I've done some shit there and here, but some town players should realize that a lot of these 'cases' are just bad logic. When I flip green, you'll realize how dumb all of this was. Scum, you are killing yourselves by trying to kill me. Just a tip. You've been my main suspicion all day, that much has been clear. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Sentinel, I just pointed out town-confirmed reads, as in, reads that can be trusted to be pro-town. Opinions that we know that aren't scum opinions. Y'know, trustable opinions. No, I never said they are right. Marv, just because I never mention Sentinel, teh lurker, doesn't mean I can't vote him to bring him out. Simply put, after he posted I switched to Ottoxlol. You couldn't put that in 1 sentence instead of 4? Also you didn't bring me out, I brought myself out. Although if you want to put the credit on someone else it would be gonzaw and his legitimately solid case. | ||
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