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On April 25 2012 22:43 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:34 Mattchew wrote:
I feel like right now we are either lynching scummy newb (Ottox) or scummy lurker (BM, Daniel, and Zeph/Sent to an extent)
There are always going to be arguments and hold ups to a lynch hence why nothing is absolute. I just feel right now the BM and Ottox have the highest chance of flipping scum due to their play. When I made a post like this I was attacked on the grounds that I don't make a stance  . BJ came up with that I'm noob since then whatever I post no one reads it, Mementoss had a case against me that was reasonable all the other bs I replied to a lot of times.
a. smilies set off a huge alarm with me. They are usually a subconscious scum tell of you trying to be "cute" and buddy the thread.
b. I look at your posts. I find nothing scummy about Johnny. I don't feel the need to defend him because he is not at risk of being lynched.
c. I don't really care about your defense (I do read it I just don't respond to it) because you will skew the case and your answer to put you in the best most townie light as town or scum, so your personal defense is pretty much meaningless in my eyes. I will judge you off your cases, interactions with others, opinions, and overall gameplay, not your self-defense
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ps guys, if we don't consolidate votes soon scum can easily pick their lynch and only have to use 1 or 2 players to do so
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On April 25 2012 23:00 johnnywup wrote:
ottox, what about that case is interesting? that first post I didn't vote for Zeph because I wanted to read other peoples filters? That doesn't make me scum. I've said many many times I want zeph dead but I was considering other possibilities such as sentinel because of gonzaws wishes.
I still feel it is scummy that you hesitate to vote first, asking for a town consensus to jump a wagon. You had a strong read, vote for it.
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On April 25 2012 23:04 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:43 Ottoxlol wrote:On April 25 2012 22:34 Mattchew wrote:
I feel like right now we are either lynching scummy newb (Ottox) or scummy lurker (BM, Daniel, and Zeph/Sent to an extent)
There are always going to be arguments and hold ups to a lynch hence why nothing is absolute. I just feel right now the BM and Ottox have the highest chance of flipping scum due to their play. When I made a post like this I was attacked on the grounds that I don't make a stance . BJ came up with that I'm noob since then whatever I post no one reads it, Mementoss had a case against me that was reasonable all the other bs I replied to a lot of times. a. smilies set off a huge alarm with me. They are usually a subconscious scum tell of you trying to be "cute" and buddy the thread. b. I look at your posts. I find nothing scummy about Johnny. I don't feel the need to defend him because he is not at risk of being lynched. c. I don't really care about your defense (I do read it I just don't respond to it) because you will skew the case and your answer to put you in the best most townie light as town or scum, so your personal defense is pretty much meaningless in my eyes. I will judge you off your cases, interactions with others, opinions, and overall gameplay, not your self-defense
a) I'm just frustrated that no one reads my posts I have to repeat everything 10 times. Also the posts 90% lack that kind of contribution that it is expected from me.
b,c ok. then stop asking /attacking me about myself, ask me about other ppl
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On April 25 2012 23:10 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 23:00 johnnywup wrote:
ottox, what about that case is interesting? that first post I didn't vote for Zeph because I wanted to read other peoples filters? That doesn't make me scum. I've said many many times I want zeph dead but I was considering other possibilities such as sentinel because of gonzaws wishes. I still feel it is scummy that you hesitate to vote first, asking for a town consensus to jump a wagon. You had a strong read, vote for it.
Why is asking for a consensus scummy? we need to consolidate votes so scum can't ninja vote one target and have a townie killed.
and the time that i posted that and didn't vote for zeph? 16 minutes after day post. that's not withholding my vote, thats investigating the information the night gave us. you're grasping at straws here.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 12:37 iGrok wrote:Day 2![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/077/Raisins_Face.jpg)
It was midnight...... the aliens had woken up......... the aliens started to eliminate one by one.... the survivors of yesterday's incident..... No outside contact had been made yet...... Though the Government were worried on why the communications were out, the government was fearing the worst... Back in the command center.... it was one hour past midnight.... the aliens were communicating secretly between each other........ Then, they reached a conclusion... "Hey!!!!!Wha-" gonzaw screamed........ it wasn't over however.... the aliens clawed gonzaw with huge ferocity...... "Hey....... I....... See somethi-" slOosh was then also clawed........ The aliens quickly shape shifted back into their human forms and then..... they pretended to sleep again. In the morning. "Hey! What's this! I see blood!" Paqman yelled, everyone else were woken up because of this. "I.... I think something happened last night....." Janaan as he shared his opinion "We better quickly eliminate these things, I guess" Mementoss said... "Yeah...." "I think so too......." Others responded It was now day, they again, started discussing with each other on who was the alien.
gonzaw the Townie was brutally clawed!
slOosh the Townie was also clawed!
It is now Day 2, the deadline is at 8:00p, EST in two days.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 12:53 johnnywup wrote:
Gonzaw had a lot of reads and I think we should look into them. Particularly he seemed very convinced that Sentinel was scum. Other than Sentinel he found BroodkingEXE, Daniel, Risen, and Zephirdd scummy as well. I suggest we take a close look at each one of them. Everyone else he found townie to some extent, except he finds BJ worthless, ottox "neutral", but somewhat suspicious (I'm interpreting it that way at least). He also says ghost is "maybe town", and that MG he didn't really look into.
Gonzaw suggested to vote to lynch Sentinel today. While I'd prefer a Zephirdd lynch, I'd be willing to support a Sentinel lynch as well if it gains enough popularity. He seemed scummy all game long, but I couldn't really put into words why. Gonzaw made a good post about why, and now that Gonzaw is dead (read: confirmed town), I feel that a Sentinel Lynch would be good.
slOosh's filter leads me to believe he thought MidnightGladius to be the most likely scum, with Zephirdd in 2nd place. The zephirdd in 2nd place is based solely on the "Marv: thoughts on MidnightGladius and Zephirdd" post, but it shows he has zephirdd in his mind and wants opinions on him.
I hadn't really looked into MG, like Gonzaw, and will be looking at him closer soon. Will report back when I read MG's filter and come to a conclusion.
For now, I want to ask who town would like to lynch more: Zephirdd or Sentinel?
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johnny, he means that it's scummy because you aren't placing the vote at the time so you won't be "registered" as the first voter.
Which is bad reasoning, it's perfectly fine for a town to ask consensus; Even with a strong read you want second opinions, also generating discussion, and then you find who has an opinion that seems to push a scum agenda. You don't have to necessarily vote for someone: your vote only matters at the deadline.
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@johnny
If you strongly believe in this, why did you voted not much later for Zephird when there was no consensus?
You post asking others who to vote -> MG attacks you -> you vote for someone no one else voted. I think you got scared.
also you ignored that gonzaw attack Risen too
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i am in classes and work until about 2 hours before the deadline and then im going home. I try to read during all this, but I will not be able to respond at length to anything really. Around an hour before the deadline I will be on an actual computer with a keyboard
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I'm going to be out for up to the rest of the day. I'm hoping to get back on before the deadline, but no promises. I think that Ottoxlol has the best chance of flipping scum, so I'm going with that.
##unvote [UoN]Sentinel
##vote ottoxlol
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Pages 63-65 are blocked on my school filter so all the news I have right now are the eight posts.
I'll have to leave around two hours before deadline for swim practice and won't get back until 1-2 hours after.
On whatever date and time Ottoxlol wrote:
a) I'm just frustrated that no one reads my posts I have to repeat everything 10 times. Also the posts 90% lack that kind of contribution that it is expected from me.
Personally, it's not that I don't read your posts, and yes sometimes you do repeat things twice. But sometimes you scoot your way around a question or give an awkward answer where repeating it will do nothing. So, I agree with Mattchew on this:
because you will skew the case and your answer to put you in the best most townie light as town or scum, so your personal defense is pretty much meaningless in my eyes. I will judge you off your cases, interactions with others, opinions, and overall gameplay, not your self-defense
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EBWOP: The pages suddenly worked! My filter is apparently blocking me trying to get to my posts from TL Home, but from here it works perfectly fine.
So right now I'm switching my vote to Ottoxlol. Currently my plan of voting is Otto -> BM -> St. Dan (for lurking, the fact that he's otherwise active means I have no problems attacking him for lurking)
I'm really hoping Otto is scum, because if he isn't, it's prolly a death sentence for me.
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On April 26 2012 01:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
EBWOP: The pages suddenly worked! My filter is apparently blocking me trying to get to my posts from TL Home, but from here it works perfectly fine.
So right now I'm switching my vote to Ottoxlol. Currently my plan of voting is Otto -> BM -> St. Dan (for lurking, the fact that he's otherwise active means I have no problems attacking him for lurking)
I'm really hoping Otto is scum, because if he isn't, it's prolly a death sentence for me.
I find this an odd comment to make.
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On April 26 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 01:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
EBWOP: The pages suddenly worked! My filter is apparently blocking me trying to get to my posts from TL Home, but from here it works perfectly fine.
So right now I'm switching my vote to Ottoxlol. Currently my plan of voting is Otto -> BM -> St. Dan (for lurking, the fact that he's otherwise active means I have no problems attacking him for lurking)
I'm really hoping Otto is scum, because if he isn't, it's prolly a death sentence for me. I find this an odd comment to make.
How is it odd? If I was scum I'd already know if he was with me or not. If he flips town, I'm suspecting the wrong people (I thought VE was bullshitting and now Otto has crap posting) and I'm that much more scummy. Even if I'm not next in line for lynching, I'm going to have that much more trouble with my analysis because first I have to ask myself what I'm doing wrong.
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On April 26 2012 01:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote:On April 26 2012 01:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
EBWOP: The pages suddenly worked! My filter is apparently blocking me trying to get to my posts from TL Home, but from here it works perfectly fine.
So right now I'm switching my vote to Ottoxlol. Currently my plan of voting is Otto -> BM -> St. Dan (for lurking, the fact that he's otherwise active means I have no problems attacking him for lurking)
I'm really hoping Otto is scum, because if he isn't, it's prolly a death sentence for me. I find this an odd comment to make. How is it odd? If I was scum I'd already know if he was with me or not. If he flips town, I'm suspecting the wrong people (I thought VE was bullshitting and now Otto has crap posting) and I'm that much more scummy. Even if I'm not next in line for lynching, I'm going to have that much more trouble with my analysis because first I have to ask myself what I'm doing wrong.
Maybe. Being wrong != scummy, though.
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@Marvel It seems like your posting has gotten a lot better since you started so I am going to take my scum suspicions off you. I still have mixed feelings on your scattershot accusations, but they seem to be based off real facts. You asked me about
Zephirdd/Sentinel/Ottoxlol. Out of the three of them I find Zephirdd pretty scummy, his last minute vote seemed rushed to me as if he was a Mafia trying to jump a bandwagon. Regardless of the fact that he mistimed the vote he made a post like this:
On April 23 2012 07:53 Zephirdd wrote:
Oh it seems I have an hour still. Will reconsider.
I see this post as quite scummy, what does he mean by will reconsider? That statement leads me to believe that he bandwagoned the vote(which he in fact admitted) and is trying to set up a situation where he can say that the vote was rushed later.
On April 23 2012 09:53 Zephirdd wrote:
because it's fun to create a scumlist prior doing any analysis or whatsoever,
MidnightGladius
marvellosity
PaqMan
--insert unknown scum here--
List done out of pure feelings and zero evidence or analysis and should not be taken seriously at all
Also, may I remind you that my vote was completely and ultimately worthless, as in, even if I didn't vote VE would die. Also, keep this in your mind: if I knew VE was going to die already, and if I already knew he was a JK(as in, if I was scum), why the fuck would I instantly jump right at the deadline and put a worthless vote on him when I could simply vote, say, marvellosity?
Suddenly, I'm not looking that bad anymore, am I?
Also I agree with BMurray being vigged. I'm not sure if he is town or scum, but it would be better if he just died and we didn't had to care about him anymore.
This post is also very scummy, what is the point of creating a scum list based on no evidence? He says not to take it seriously, but then why did he post it? He then says that he would have put his vote on marvel, one of the people on this "emotion-based" scum list, seems pretty fishy to me. He easily could have made a scumslip, and is trying to make up a hypothetical situation which makes him look better.
He then flips around the idea of him making a case/analysis, and proceeds to say that he doesn't need to make a strong case against anyone. Recently he has been using more of his hypothetics to convince people to not vote for him. This is WIFOM reasoning and leads me to believe he is trying to mislead the town. I only see one useful post (the one about his reads on the town), but it even has a lot of unsupported conlclusions and blatant contradictions.
I'll have my thoughts on Uon and Ottoxol in my next post.
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On April 26 2012 01:24 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm going to be out for up to the rest of the day. I'm hoping to get back on before the deadline, but no promises. I think that Ottoxlol has the best chance of flipping scum, so I'm going with that.
##unvote [UoN]Sentinel
##vote ottoxlol
You attacked Sent because he did not had a good strong case on VE just voted then disappeared, guess what are you doing now.
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Is there a reason you haven't responded to my case against you ottoxlol? Went to sleep expecting a response by the time I woke up... It's on page 62 if you somehow missed people talking about it...
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On April 26 2012 02:50 Risen wrote:
Is there a reason you haven't responded to my case against you ottoxlol? Went to sleep expecting a response by the time I woke up... It's on page 62 if you somehow missed people talking about it...
cause its pointless. as i have pointed out a bunch of times before
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Good to see BKExe back and with a decent post. I agree with the case against zephir and you're just pointing out things that have already been said for the most part, but at least you're posting. Having said that I want to see your thoughts on ottoxlol.
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Yep, first q is wrong I did not vote gonzaw at all, he fosed my n1, this post is from d1.
The other things I explained clearly I think. Its only suspicious because I don't find a good target, I am the only one with lot of votes, maybe Sentinel but no other strong case. I would vote for him if I am forced to. however the case against him is mostly that he voted VE then he did not provide any reasoning or he didnt participate in the debate afterwards.
The last post is everyone attacking me for my plans and that I had no scumread so I made a post for your request that contained what I think of each case.
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