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MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
April 25 2012 01:39 GMT
#1261
Sentinel earlier admitted to not keeping up with the thread and to only responding to people accusing him. Normally, that would be pretty clear scum play, but considering all of the lurkers/near-lurkers we have, I honestly can't tell what's going on with him.

However, his recent posts have been much better, and I can't place him in a scum agenda, so I'm not confident enough to name him as scum.
Trust in Bayes.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 25 2012 01:39 GMT
#1262
Honestly, I had no places to go, not a lot of work to do, so I had a lot more time to read, digest and analyze the thread than I usually do. The only thing really blocking me now is my school's internet filter.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 25 2012 01:56 GMT
#1263
Janaan is the only person I have on my powerpoint that I don't have some sort of shade of red or green. What do you guys make of him?
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 25 2012 02:05 GMT
#1264
Day2 Continues
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 25 2012 02:13 GMT
#1265
What I'd like to know about Janaan is how he came from this

On April 22 2012 14:45 Janaan wrote:
I will say this, VE's claim fits his critique of Gonzaw's plan perfectly. At this point, I have no reason to doubt his claims.

Paqman, it's like you're purposely misunderstanding Mattchew about VE's claim, I understood exactly what he meant the first time he said it. Either that, or you just don't want to believe that Mattchew is actually making sense, which leads me to believe that you're tunneling him a bit too hard. Please, try to step back and objectively read what Mattchew is saying.

At the moment, none of the cases are terribly convincing for me. I also hate the fact that we're well over half through with day 1 and there are still players who haven't said a single word since the game started. I don't know if scum is among them or not, but at this point, it's impossible to tell.

The one vote that does make sense to me right now is Bill Murray. He's proven that he's in the thread, he's posted a few times, but he really doesn't seem to care at all. All his posts are entirely void of content, which makes me think that either he's scum trying to get away with not saying anything or he's a townie who just doesn't care about the game. Bill, if you DO care, start being more useful please.

##Vote: Bill Murray

I won't be on for another 14 hours or so, I'll be back in the thread around then if anything happens.


to this:

On April 25 2012 02:55 Janaan wrote:
At work so I don't have much time.

Ottoxlol, my question to you is this: You say you want to lynch to gain information. Ok, fine. That's not a good mindset, but I'll accept that you think it's a good idea for a minute. What I don't understand is why that makes BM the best lynch. He himself hasn't given any firm stances, and as far as I can tell, there hasn't been anyone who hasn't at least questioned him for lurking, and NO ONE has defended him. So exactly what information will we gain from lynching him that makes it the best choice? Working from the mindset that lynching for information is a good idea, it would make more sense to me to lynch a more controversial target.


Namely how he went from BM being his one true stance to saying we shouldn't lynch BM because he's so scum nobody would drop information or give intel.

Otherwise, he just seems to agree with the general mood of the thread on everything. So he's either decent town or clever scum. I'd be betting the former at this point because I have nothing to accuse him of.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 25 2012 02:16 GMT
#1266
Yeah that's my problem with him. There's nothing wrong with his posting, but he's not really doing anything other than what other people are doing either. So I'm completely white with him, while I have shades of green/red for everyone else.

Didn't notice the BM thing.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 25 2012 02:17 GMT
#1267
On April 25 2012 10:56 johnnywup wrote:
Janaan is the only person I have on my powerpoint that I don't have some sort of shade of red or green. What do you guys make of him?

I read him in isolation the other day, and even if his filter is only a page, his posting is very protown
i've got him in my leaning town category, and gonzaw had him as a townread with mattchew and layabout
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
April 25 2012 02:18 GMT
#1268
Janaan's play reads as pro-town and feels similar to his style from previous games. I'd like him to be more active, certainly, but I'm feeling good about him.
Trust in Bayes.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 25 2012 02:20 GMT
#1269
I'd like a couple of other people to answer on Sentinel too (jdub, BM as you're here for a change)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 25 2012 02:25 GMT
#1270
On April 25 2012 11:17 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 10:56 johnnywup wrote:
Janaan is the only person I have on my powerpoint that I don't have some sort of shade of red or green. What do you guys make of him?

I read him in isolation the other day, and even if his filter is only a page, his posting is very protown
i've got him in my leaning town category, and gonzaw had him as a townread with mattchew and layabout

notice that, marvellosity?
You're failing to realize I'm talking about the same post you're talking about

I saw the Sentinel case, and it has put him in my scum list, but he is behind both Ottoxlul and St.Daniel in terms of who I want to lynch today.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
St.Daniel
Profile Joined July 2010
United States29 Posts
April 25 2012 02:29 GMT
#1271
Sorry guys. To make a long story short, I was retarded and I had food poisoning. I sincerely apology. I'll try my best to dedicate to this games.
Tough Life? Let's play some StarCraft!
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 25 2012 02:42 GMT
#1272
That sucks. you feeling better now?
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
April 25 2012 02:52 GMT
#1273
On April 25 2012 11:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
What I'd like to know about Janaan is how he came from this

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 14:45 Janaan wrote:
I will say this, VE's claim fits his critique of Gonzaw's plan perfectly. At this point, I have no reason to doubt his claims.

Paqman, it's like you're purposely misunderstanding Mattchew about VE's claim, I understood exactly what he meant the first time he said it. Either that, or you just don't want to believe that Mattchew is actually making sense, which leads me to believe that you're tunneling him a bit too hard. Please, try to step back and objectively read what Mattchew is saying.

At the moment, none of the cases are terribly convincing for me. I also hate the fact that we're well over half through with day 1 and there are still players who haven't said a single word since the game started. I don't know if scum is among them or not, but at this point, it's impossible to tell.

The one vote that does make sense to me right now is Bill Murray. He's proven that he's in the thread, he's posted a few times, but he really doesn't seem to care at all. All his posts are entirely void of content, which makes me think that either he's scum trying to get away with not saying anything or he's a townie who just doesn't care about the game. Bill, if you DO care, start being more useful please.

##Vote: Bill Murray

I won't be on for another 14 hours or so, I'll be back in the thread around then if anything happens.


to this:

Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:55 Janaan wrote:
At work so I don't have much time.

Ottoxlol, my question to you is this: You say you want to lynch to gain information. Ok, fine. That's not a good mindset, but I'll accept that you think it's a good idea for a minute. What I don't understand is why that makes BM the best lynch. He himself hasn't given any firm stances, and as far as I can tell, there hasn't been anyone who hasn't at least questioned him for lurking, and NO ONE has defended him. So exactly what information will we gain from lynching him that makes it the best choice? Working from the mindset that lynching for information is a good idea, it would make more sense to me to lynch a more controversial target.


Namely how he went from BM being his one true stance to saying we shouldn't lynch BM because he's so scum nobody would drop information or give intel.

Otherwise, he just seems to agree with the general mood of the thread on everything. So he's either decent town or clever scum. I'd be betting the former at this point because I have nothing to accuse him of.


Keep in mind first off that these two quotes are 2.5 days apart. A lot happened between them. I've had other scum reads, BM actually started posting a little bit, etc. At this point I don't consider him "so scum" as you put it. Definitely still scummy, but not the scummiest.

The second quote in particular, I didn't say anything about him being "so scum". I'm basically noting that there isn't really anyone in the thread who is defending BM. This was in response to Ottoxlol suggesting that BM be lynched because it would provide information that would lead to scum lynches. I was trying to get him to tell me just what information he expected that would be so valuable that would be worth lynching someone that Ottox didn't actually say he specifically thought was scum. Maybe he did, I don't know, but if he did, he sure didn't say it.

What I was getting at with that post was this: I wanted Ottox to tell me essentially why he picked BM instead of other people he had listed. He said he wanted "information", so what information was he expecting to get that would make it worth a possible mis-lynch in his mind, since he hadn't specifically said he thought BM was scum? I honestly couldn't think of anything that would be worth that, even stepping into his mindset that lynching for information in the first place is a good idea. Since no one had taken a "pro BM" stance (just anti or ignore), if a bandwagon started and he is scum, it would be all too easy for scum-mates to just sidestep the issue, say he's just a lurker, and pass on by OR if the bandwagon looked strong enough, make an easy case that he's been lurking and get on the bandwagon no questions asked. I can't think of a piece of incriminating evidence that could potentially come out of lynching BM, if information is the goal of the lynch in the first place.
St.Daniel
Profile Joined July 2010
United States29 Posts
April 25 2012 02:55 GMT
#1274
thinking about it, I retract my previous statement about marvellosity. For now.

Why are you retracting your statement? What made you think that your previous analysis on Marvellosity was lacking or invalid? There must be a reason why you are not as sure as you were before. Also, "for now?" Do you still think Marv is a scum?

PS - I'm trying to get back into the game.
Tough Life? Let's play some StarCraft!
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
April 25 2012 02:58 GMT
#1275
On April 25 2012 11:20 marvellosity wrote:
I'd like a couple of other people to answer on Sentinel too (jdub, BM as you're here for a change)

Sentinel is still scummy to me right now, at the moment, though, I'd prefer a Zepherrd or Ottoxlol lynch today. Sentinel has slowly started looking better with his last couple posts, so I suppose he does have that going for him.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 25 2012 03:02 GMT
#1276
So guys! Where are those zephirdd votes? We've got less than 24 hours until Lynch. I feel very strongly that Zeph is scum and I've explained why.


On April 25 2012 09:27 johnnywup wrote:
I guess since no one's voting Zephirdd, I'll have to remake a case against him. I'm only going to post my thoughts on one post because I think it's enough to show how scummy Zephirdd is.

Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 10:16 Zephirdd wrote:
It was one hour before the deadline, there wouldn't be any bandwagon.

Besides, I suggested marv there because people had been voting him. In that specific post, I hadn't had analyzed people yet. I meant that marvellosity was a reasonable player to place a vote on and not look bad for voting VE. So lets get those votes going yeah?

There was nothing wrong there.

This post really pisses me off. I already posted I didn't like this and I thought it was contradictory. After I posted my disapproval of this post he says "Let me just place a palm in my face in the hopes that you realize how much of a bad logic that was." To restate what's wrong with it, if it's not obvious...it's that he says he Votes Marv because people had been voting him. Ok, sheeping. He hadn't analyzed him yet. Ok, relying on other people to be right. That's all scummy but the next thing blows it away. "I meant that marvellosity was a reasonable player to place a vote on and not look bad for voting VE". I think this is basically claiming scum because he basically admits to knowing how VE would flip. He knew he'd look bad if he voted VE before the lynch. How is that possible? Because he's mafia, obviously. His vote on marvellosity aside, that line alone makes him almost 100% scum in my eyes, and I already suspected him at that point.

johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 25 2012 03:06 GMT
#1277
"So lets get those votes going yeah?" isn't supposed to be in the quote ROFL
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
April 25 2012 05:39 GMT
#1278
Voting before I go to bed. In keeping with my prior suspicions:
##Vote: Zepherrd
I'll be back on tomorrow a few hours before the deadline. Start consolidating those votes, right now we have them FAR too spread out. It would be too easy for scum to force a no lynch if things stay the way they are.
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
April 25 2012 07:18 GMT
#1279
Zeph if u have read my posts you would know that I found yourself town, I explained it, that's why I defend you.


On April 25 2012 08:03 Ottoxlol wrote:
johnnywup

Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 13:12 MidnightGladius wrote:
That said, I still think that you're scum, johnny. You have zeph as your strongest scumread, but refuse to vote for him, and ask for town consensus first, when we've just started the day, and you have the most time to convince others? You have yet to actually push your own scumreads, outside of your earlier sheeping. Your unwillingness to actually put your vote where your voice is very suspicious, and I think that you're trying to gently push for a bandwagon without actually committing. This behavior is just like zeph's list earlier, which is why I'm of the opinion that you're bussing him.


I missed this case before, I think a couple of ppl too because no one really talked about this. I am feeling confident voting for johnny.

##Vote: johnnywup


This case is getting lost yet again.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 25 2012 09:47 GMT
#1280
Here are the current standings:

Bill Murray - 2 votes
Mattchew
[UoN]Sentinel

Risen - 1 Vote
Paqman

johnnywup - 1 Vote
Ottoxlol

Zephirdd - 2 Vote
johnnywup
Janaan

Ottoxlol - 4 Votes
Mementoss
BlazingJitsu
Risen
Bill Murray
Zephirdd

[UoN]Sentinel - 1 Vote
ghost_403

Ottoxlol is currently to be lynched (and I'll switch back my vote to him if we can agree on it)
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