Newbie Mini Mafia IX - Page 23

On April 17 2012 06:32 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Some interesting developments this evening.

In the space of 12 hours, Nova's tone has changed completely. From aggressive defense (when he was only aware oneplus suspected him), to a long period of silence and then muted responses to my initial case, to a reasonably patient defense that seemed reasonable but didn't really cover off or satisfy my case against him, but definitely won some people over.

I still have him pegged as scum, especially after his classic scum slip. Here is his quote:

- What he meant to say was "switch over to either oneplus or Solohan50", but for some reason said Crossfire instead. Why would he have said Crossfire? Because Crossfire is his scum ally, and he was in discussions with Crossfire at the time he posted. This is the most classic case of a scum slip possible.

Now how did Nova respond to this? Did he say a correction straight away? Nope. He didn't say a thing until TheRavensName commented on it, saying it was strange. Nova's response:

That is a damning as it gets. Crossfire was around at this time as well, because he was posting in the thread also.

I stand by my case against Nova, and I add what I've posted above to it. In addition to this, in my initial case I commented that I believed his accomplises were Lazermonkey and Crossfire. I'm even more convinced of this now.

Look at Lazermonkeys filter around the time I made my case against Nova and linked him to Lazer. Lazer vote flips in an absolutely classic attempt to distance himself from his scum partner. They then go into a back and forth about it, further attempting to distance themselves, but what do you know - they both have their votes on oneplus. As does Crossfire. When it looked safe to bandwagon oneplus, they did it.

I want to go into Lazer's posts in more detail, and I will if I get the chance tomorrow. But the filter is there for you to read it, and I encourage you to.

I've had a brief read through Crossfire's filter and the last bunch of posts are an absolute mess. He seems the least scummy of the three, but Nova's scum slip convinced me I was on the right track.

oneplus is town. I'm convinced of it, and you've bandwagoned onto it and played right into the mafia's hand.

On April 18 2012 07:59 Pure-SC2 wrote:
I'm not sure what is going to happen as we flip into the next day, so I'm going get my reads out there so everyone is clear on my stance and they can do what they want with it.

My case against Nova: I still believe in it, but he has done a good job defending himself once he changed his approach, and has enough support that he's not likely to get lynched at this point. I will be highlighting any further suspicious behaviour from Nova as I see it. Qudos to Nova for adjusting his approach.

Putting my case against Nova aside for now....


The case against Lazermonkey

I won't be as detailed with this as I was in my case against Nova. However I will state the main reasons why I find him suspicious.

Soft support of Nova with no stated reasoning
- Agrees with Nova's stance on Solohan without stating any reasoning. This in itself isn't condemning, but was what initially had me noting him as suspicious.

Lazermonkey's vote flip following my case against Nova (which included a link to him):
- This ia stereotypical scum behaviour. Once a link to Nova was raised (regardless of whether Nova is scum or town), Lazer flipped on him very quickly, going from supporting him, to voting for him to be lynched.
- During the post he made where he switched vote to Nova, he stated he thought Nova's early game was good - then why is he voting for him?
- He made sure to state the possibility that I might be scum, even though he liked my case against Nova. He is positioning himself to be able to play this out either way, which I find suspicious.
- What is his motivation for this statement?

- If you are looking for scum like behaviour, this is it. It's not some random read based on gut feel, this is based on how he reacted when the pressure of being linked to someone who had a case made against them.

Leads a lynch vote against oneplus, even after stating he thinks he is a townie
- Some quotes from Lazer about oneplus:


- He then leads the vote against oneplus anyway.
- Also makes a connection between oneplus and Lorant as "imo both him and durant is acting really strange" (Durant actually meaning Lorant). This was because Lorant offered to help with oneplus's english, which actually seemed townie to me.

Other than a comment to the admins, his filter has remained completely silent since voting for oneplus.

Lazermonkey has moved to number 1 on my scumlist. Nova is still leaning strong scum for me, and would be my second choice to lynch.

Pure’s case on Lazer is very good in my opinion. Just want to add something on the whole Nova-Lazer connection:

- Nova is the first of the Nova-Lazer pair to agree to lurker lynch
- Nova is the first to call Solo scummy
- Nova has his vote on macheji when Lazer puts his on the same player
- Nova asks Solohan to find his own suspicious behavior, Lazer says Solo should respond
- When oneplus calls them out, Lazer is the one who first turns on the other.

These aren’t really buddies. This is Lazer trying to ride on Nova’s wave, and he gets off the wave right as Nova gets suspicious in some people’s eyes. This is not something we can really hold against Nova in my opinion. This is certainly something that makes Lazer suspicious.

On April 19 2012 04:59 Lazermonkey wrote:
Sorry for inactive for some time now.

First of, I realise that my play have been quite suspicious up untill this point. I don't really know how to response to this tho. Some of you may not like that I blame my inexperience, but it does play a factor in here. This is in fact my first game ever of forum mafia. As for my voteswitch on oneplus, after Pure's post about Nova I was overwhelmed. I thought there was a very big chance of Nova being scum at that point. But I really liked his defense and he had been contributing as oposed to oneplus. At the same time oneplus never failed to amaze me with loads of scummy posts. I still wasn't quite sure whether he was a bad town or actually scum and at that point where I voteswitched, I was basically fliping a coin in order in order to decide which one I would go for. I also didn't like the way everyone seemed to bandwagon Nova so easy, althought admittedly I was one of thoose who voted for in the beginning.

Now as for my own scumreads, here we go:

Macheji - started the game out as a lurker, has a couple of posts which doesn't contribute at all(which doesn't tell to much because it was just a few hours into the game). Then he doesn't say anything for a long time. Obviously this was due to his computer, as a don't really think you would lurk so hardcore that you are basically minutes from being replaced. He then puts his vote on Nova, which doesn't have an impact at all as it made the vote go from 6-3 to 6-4. His resoning behind this vote was that he didn't like the way Nova pressured with his votes in the early game, found in this post:+ Show Spoiler +
Some strange things are found in this post such as:
Now, that was the reasoning behind my vote. But now that i've read your case-post i am alot more sure of my vote. If i don't die tonight, i am voting for him again.
Not sure what to think about this. "if I don't die tonight" could be a possible scumslip. And the fact that he was so willing to vote against Nova again seems strange, why would you decide who to vote for now, when it is almost 72h before next lynch?

Another pearl I found in this post was this Small line:
More than this, i saw a post in wich he said ( correct me if i'm wrong here, i went thru everything kinda fast ), that in the last game he got killed for beeing to silent as a mafia.

Very instresting post. Nova even himself claimed that he is spamming alot as mafia, which is easily confirmed if you check his post history. I guess It's possible that he actually was going through everything very fast and missed this. But another possibility is that this post was a way of trying to spread false rumors about Nova with the possibilty of falling back by saying: "Oh, I must have missread that".

Not to long ago he posted a long post about most in this game. This post was good in the way that it did show his opinions on several persons. However, it was more of a summary than anything else and didn't add much to the discussion. Also I think his logic was flawed for in some ways, for example giving Therapist (++) only for saying he didn't want to misslynch. And I'm not just saying that cuz I'm mad that I got (----) : ).

As you may have noticed I have been refering to Nova in alot of cases. Say what you want about him, he does create some good discussions.

As for other honorobel mentions:
Therapist - lurking like a boss atm. Said he liked long posts, but is yet to post one himself. Only playing safe cards, could be because he his scum, could be because he is scared townie.

Nova - I'm leaing towards town in him. I think he is contributing alot. I also liked Fourfaces/Durants post on that the kill on Crossfire somewhat proves that Nova is innocent because Cross unsure of whether Nova was scum or townie.