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On April 14 2012 05:03 Xatalos wrote:
KharadBanar, I agree that nothing is certain until death, but there is no real explanation for yomi's actions unless he is Mafia and Willz is town (in my opinion). It's not 100% certain, but certain enough for me to not focus on Willz anymore.
I also urge you to vote for yomi. I see you think Willz is town, but unless you vote for yomi, he might be lynched soon. Your vote on HiroPro is doing 100% nothing at the moment and would be infinitely more useful on yomi.
I was fine with the lynch moving to yomi when willz was responding confidently, and making reasonable, logical responses to everything that was thrown at him. Giving up to the lynch, making posts that weren't well thought out, and, finally, the deal-sealer in my eyes, voting for himself, then voting for Yomi just to save himself from the lynch, while consistently saying Yomi seems town, really makes things difficult. If yomi flips green D1, willz very likely dies Day 2, with no real discussion happening (or to vig shot, if we have it). If yomi flips red D1....nobody listens to willz anyway after that because he never actually made a case for yomi -- town confidence in him is zero right now.
Ever since the first time he was called out for his weak argument vs Brood, his posts have been progressively scummier. There's no logic or reason behind the posts anymore. It's all very desperate and martyrish and "well nobody will believe me anyway so why should I bother." There's a huge inconsistency going on here.
willz -- Who do you think is scum? Speak confidently and directly as you were yesterday, but present FACTS. This is more or less your last shot. I'm ready to change my vote over to you, and I've been pushing yomi for a full day. Settle down, go for a quick jog or something, wash your face, come back, and make a real case. The sooner the better though, as I'm not sure how many people will still be reading at the deadline. (I'll be here though!)
Mods: can we get another vote count? I think it's 4-3 between our top two right now, but with all the voting and unvoting I'm getting a little messed up in my counts. Thanks!
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Alright, so yes Yomi's case on Dittert is wierd. The timing is sooooo bad, and I don't think the case is very good either.
But to me Yomi falls into the same category as Dittert. I think he is just a noob town who doesn't really know what he is doing. About his famous comment about being the only one to write anything concrete for example. I simply can't believe he tried to lie about this concidering how his filter looked like at the time. To me it looks like he thinks he was contributing when he wrote:
Hi I just got back from lifting.
I can't think of a more pointless discussion than the one we are having now. It is being led by Broodking, Kharadbanar, and Dittert. I have the most confidence in willz and to a slightly lesser extent arctic.
I'm not sure what we SHOULD be discussing since no investigation abilities have gone out yet, but I doubt this is it. Getting people to talk just for the sake of it is great but my fear is that this discussion will bleed into day 2 when we will have some actual information.
I simply can't imagine he is trying to trick us that this is a good post, while not believing it himself. It would just be so amazingly suicidal. Also, on the point of him writing that he trust Willz, he has actually done that twice before throughout the thread, pretty early in the game. He never stated that he changed his mind about this. Not only just now when Willz seems to get lynched.
I must say that I am not at all as confident in your analysis as you are. Why do you think that Yomi and Willz can't both be scum?
At this point, If you've got nothing more on Yomi, I do not feel confident changing my vote to him.
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On April 14 2012 04:49 Xatalos wrote:
Willz, please listen. Look at the situation like this (I believe this is the case):
- Willz is town
- yomi is Mafia
Here are the possible outcomes:
A) We lynch Willz. He flips town. We lynch yomi tomorrow. He flips Mafia. There is no certainty about who are townies and who are not.
B) We lynch yomi. He flips Mafia. We now know Willz is town, as well as I and ArcticFox. We can lynch someone else tomorrow.
But what if I flip town? How does it confirm you and arctic if I am mafia? Mafia trying to distance each other etc.
This is not logical, this is circular. You are saying it is good to lynch me because I am mafia. OK. That's logical. Lynching a mafia is good. But your attempt to do this pseudo cost-benefit analysis is ridiculous as it is predicated on you being right in the first place, therefore it cannot be an argument for you being right!
You are saying if I am mafia and willz is town it is better to lynch me than willz. Is this supposed to be an argument?
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Day 1 Vote Count!
willz22912 (4): Acrofales, vonKlaust, Dittert, BroodKingEXE
Dittert (1): yomi
trumpetarm (1): imallinson
yomi (4): ArcticFox, willz22912, Xatalos, KharadBanar
HiroPro (1):
Not voting: trumpetarn, HiroPro,
The day ends in about 2.5 Hours! Remember that voting is mandatory!
willz22912 is set to be lynched!
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@Yomi the only "defending" of willz you have done is saying he is a townie. You haven't offered any evidence on why you think that is true. Also, if you think so highly of willlz than why are you going after dittert. If willz is your only confirmed townie what makes your opinion of ditterts actions scummy, while willz can interpret it as newbie. Your posts have so far revolved around two things dittert's suggestion of a policy and willz's township, both of which aren't backed up.
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[b]Xatalos is voting for yomi right now.[b]
And so am I. I accept the point you brought up, Xatalos.
##Vote: yomi
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EBWOP: This should read like so:
Xatalos is voting for yomi right now.
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You forgot to delete HiroPro from the list 
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Thanks KharadBanar (both for the correction and your belief in my analysis).
BroodKing, you bring up good points about yomi. Are you willing to vote for him yet? Did you read his and my filters through? Don't you think he has done pretty much nothing pro-town so far and he is MUCH more likely to be Mafia than Willz? If that is the case, I strongly urge you to vote for yomi.
vonKlaust, I believe yomi and Willz can't (very probably at least) both be Mafia because of yomi's talk about Willz's innocence. It would just make absolutely no sense if they were both town - why risk such an obvious connection between the two? It would only make sense if yomi is Mafia and Willz town. I also have a meta-argument: I highly doubt Mafia would let things progress so freely to a state where 2 out of 3 (67%) of Mafia are the very top lynch targets, and there are no competing townie lynch targets.
So it's 4-4 right now. vonKlaust or BroodKing, either of you could settle yomi for the lynch. At the moment Willz is going to be lynched. I don't know where Willz disappeared now (please come back fast and post more pro-town content), but I'm strongly confident in my read on yomi.
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Can't believe it has come to this but I have to protect myself
I am 100% sure I am town but only 70-80% sure of willz. I have to save a sure townie vs a probably townie.
##unvote: dittert
##vote: willz22912
I will GLADLY move to dittert, brood, hiropro
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maybe not hiropro actually, im gonna reread his filter right now. I never really looked at him too closely
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On April 14 2012 05:53 yomi wrote:
Can't believe it has come to this but I have to protect myself
I am 100% sure I am town but only 70-80% sure of willz. I have to save a sure townie vs a probably townie.
##unvote: dittert
##vote: willz22912
I will GLADLY move to dittert, brood, hiropro
Why so scared? If you are town, you should post and convince us you are innocent. Instead you try to protect your hide by sacrificing your "most townie read" even BEFORE you are set to be lynched. This makes me even more suspicious of you, which is quite an achievement. I can't see a motivation for town to do this.
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lol. ok that was comical
I am accused of not contributing enough and having bad arguments. just amazing.
ya I will go on hiropro NP
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On April 14 2012 05:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 05:53 yomi wrote:
Can't believe it has come to this but I have to protect myself
I am 100% sure I am town but only 70-80% sure of willz. I have to save a sure townie vs a probably townie.
##unvote: dittert
##vote: willz22912
I will GLADLY move to dittert, brood, hiropro Why so scared? If you are town, you should post and convince us you are innocent. Instead you try to protect your hide by sacrificing your "most townie read" even BEFORE you are set to be lynched. This makes me even more suspicious of you, which is quite an achievement. I can't see a motivation for town to do this.
Why so scared? I am one vote away from being lynched. I guess only a mafia gets scared when they are one vote away from being lynched.
before I am set to be lynched? what do you mean? you want me to post with 1 second left?
you can't see a motivation for a player to ensure they survive?
this is becoming dittert playing dumb level of ridiculous
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On April 14 2012 05:59 yomi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 05:55 Xatalos wrote:On April 14 2012 05:53 yomi wrote:
Can't believe it has come to this but I have to protect myself
I am 100% sure I am town but only 70-80% sure of willz. I have to save a sure townie vs a probably townie.
##unvote: dittert
##vote: willz22912
I will GLADLY move to dittert, brood, hiropro Why so scared? If you are town, you should post and convince us you are innocent. Instead you try to protect your hide by sacrificing your "most townie read" even BEFORE you are set to be lynched. This makes me even more suspicious of you, which is quite an achievement. I can't see a motivation for town to do this. Why so scared? I am one vote away from being lynched. I guess only a mafia gets scared when they are one vote away from being lynched. before I am set to be lynched? what do you mean? you want me to post with 1 second left? you can't see a motivation for a player to ensure they survive? this is becoming dittert playing dumb level of ridiculous
You accuse Dittert of playing dumb, but if anything, you are more guilty of that yourself. It says very clearly in the vote count that you were NOT set to be lynched yet, Willz was. Yet instead of trying to fight with your words to prove your innocence, you resort to the only weapon you have left: your vote. BroodKing, what do you think about this? Your vote alone would be enough to set yomi for lynch. Do you see sufficient evidence for yomi's Mafia play yet? vonKlaust, your vote will not be enough alone to set yomi for lynch, but you should still use it. Who knows what might happen in these last moments, a sudden vote switch or HiroPro emerging to vote for Willz.
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@Xatalos
Well, you're right about that it's likely that both are not scum. However I'm not at all confortable with saying that this fact makes it pretty sure that they both aren't town. Just look at the way Yomi has been posting. He just seem to post whatever comes into mind without really explain it. But on the other hand this isn't very pro town, and since Trumpetarn and HiroPro are pretty likely to abstain from voting, you could be right that he is our best bet after Willz. Looking back he has actually been pretty negative for the town so far. Still, I'm not convinced he is mafia.
The thing is that everyone seems to have forgot why we put Willz here in the first place. Sure, he has been posting more pro-town now, but as I wrote earlier, this would also be expected from a mafia member. It doesn't convince me fully. And on top of that he wrote a bunch of martyrish stuff which were just wierd.
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On April 14 2012 05:55 yomi wrote:
maybe not hiropro actually, im gonna reread his filter right now. I never really looked at him too closely
Read imallinson's filter while you're at it.
Also read your own filter while you're looking.
On April 14 2012 05:53 yomi wrote:
Can't believe it has come to this
Are you trying to tell me your filter doesn't look like scum? What have you actually done for town?
On April 14 2012 05:59 yomi wrote:
Why so scared? I am one vote away from being lynched. I guess only a mafia gets scared when they are one vote away from being lynched.
before I am set to be lynched? what do you mean? you want me to post with 1 second left?
you can't see a motivation for a player to ensure they survive?
this is becoming dittert playing dumb level of ridiculous
Thank you for continuing to post gems like this. You remind me why I set my vote on you in the first place -- you're continually defensive rather than posting scum reads.
On April 14 2012 05:33 yomi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 04:49 Xatalos wrote:
Willz, please listen. Look at the situation like this (I believe this is the case):
- Willz is town
- yomi is Mafia
Here are the possible outcomes:
A) We lynch Willz. He flips town. We lynch yomi tomorrow. He flips Mafia. There is no certainty about who are townies and who are not.
B) We lynch yomi. He flips Mafia. We now know Willz is town, as well as I and ArcticFox. We can lynch someone else tomorrow. But what if I flip town? How does it confirm you and arctic if I am mafia? Mafia trying to distance each other etc. This is not logical, this is circular. You are saying it is good to lynch me because I am mafia. OK. That's logical. Lynching a mafia is good. But your attempt to do this pseudo cost-benefit analysis is ridiculous as it is predicated on you being right in the first place, therefore it cannot be an argument for you being right! You are saying if I am mafia and willz is town it is better to lynch me than willz. Is this supposed to be an argument?
This. If your filter was full of more posts like this, it would be golden, and yet it's getting glossed over because of how abrasive your tone is in so many of your posts. Xatalos' argument here was full of WIFOM and you nailed it on the head. It doesn't take any other situations into account except "I'm sure yomi is mafia." and "I'm sure willz is town."
So take it a step further. Does it mean anything? Many of Xatalos' posts have had these ridiculous logic leaps. It doesn't mean he's wrong here yet, because you haven't argued anything against it. I'm still convinced you're scum. But these are the steps you take to try to prove me wrong.
This is what it means to contribute -- point out the facts and the inconsistencies, not to continually be abrasive.
Remember -- even if you do get lynched as town, you still win the game as long as all the mafia are dead at the end. If you want town to win, post less pointless anger, and more scumreading.
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What the hell, Yomi isn't making this easy for me. He has such a bad attitude.
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