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On April 14 2012 06:04 vonKlaust wrote:
@Xatalos
Well, you're right about that it's likely that both are not scum. However I'm not at all confortable with saying that this fact makes it pretty sure that they both aren't town. Just look at the way Yomi has been posting. He just seem to post whatever comes into mind without really explain it. But on the other hand this isn't very pro town, and since Trumpetarn and HiroPro are pretty likely to abstain from voting, you could be right that he is our best bet after Willz. Looking back he has actually been pretty negative for the town so far. Still, I'm not convinced he is mafia.
The thing is that everyone seems to have forgot why we put Willz here in the first place. Sure, he has been posting more pro-town now, but as I wrote earlier, this would also be expected from a mafia member. It doesn't convince me fully. And on top of that he wrote a bunch of martyrish stuff which were just wierd.
I'm not saying Willz's OMGUS war with Dittert was pro-town, or his earlier secrecy with his own reads... But both of these things CAN be explained from a townie's perspective. The OMGUS war could have been just genuine frustration at Dittert's stupidity and his secrecy could have, like he said, been to make his suspects post more freely (although I have a harder time believing this than his frustration with Dittert).
Can yomi's actions be explained from a townie's perspective? Not in my opinion. Why would he repeat that Willz is his strongest town read, yet without hesitation vote for him pre-emptively? Why would he repeat that Willz is town to begin with? It's not like he said anything to prove it, he just repeated it without any reasoning. That seems more like a Mafia tactic than a genuine will to save Willz from the lynch. His responses to my case on him have also been full of fear and side-stepping, even using his vote pre-emptively on Willz. He hasn't started to contribute like Willz did after he had a bandwagon form on him... If you think Mafia could act like Willz did in the last hours, it's a small possibility, but much more likely Mafia would act like yomi now.
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Allright, I've been rereading, and I'm willing to give Willz another chance. His pressence in the thread has been way more positive than Yomi's. Allthough, I am not going to take any bullshit from Willz if he survives this. I will demand full transparancy and whenever he asks anyone to do anything I'm gonna make sure hes doing it himself.
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I still don't like your reasoning btw Xatalos. So far I think your cases have been pretty bad and you have to step up your analysis.
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All I'm saying is: just look at yomi's filter and compare it with Willz's filter. yomi has no useful content, Willz has plenty of useful content. If yomi were to flip Mafia, he would leave no traces to his Mafia teammates. It looks like he avoids contributing or leading anyone else to suspicion like the plaque. This, if anything, is Mafia play.
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I guess I do have a negative attitude. I flame people online that's definitely true. It is not unique to this game. This is me on tl:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293561
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326871¤tpage=7#129
attacking other people being supportive:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328386
Why am I like this online? I'm not sure, I'm very polite in person. I guess it's letting loose.
I don't even know if I should respond to xatalos anymore honestly. He claims I was/am not in any danger but that is so patently dumb I don't know what to say. Xat you are aware that if I hit 5 before willz that I am pretty much dead right? the order of the votes counts bud.....
You want me to act like willz, I am not willz.
I'll try to go through and grab a more concrete read on someone else but I don't want to stretch anything. A lot of people's arguments are HIGHLY speculative IMO and I don't want to be forced into pulling something out of my ass. If I only have a few reads I'm confident in then that's that. I'm not going to grasp at straws just to say I "contributed" when I think there's way too much spam in this thread and now I'm beginning to contribute to it myself.
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That is pretty much what I am thinking too. Yomi is gonna keep stiring chaos and I think we're gonna end up having to lynch or vig him anyway. Willz on the other hand has showed that he can actually be a force of good.
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On April 14 2012 06:25 yomi wrote:I guess I do have a negative attitude. I flame people online that's definitely true. It is not unique to this game. This is me on tl: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293561http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326871¤tpage=7#129attacking other people being supportive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328386Why am I like this online? I'm not sure, I'm very polite in person. I guess it's letting loose. I don't even know if I should respond to xatalos anymore honestly. He claims I was/am not in any danger but that is so patently dumb I don't know what to say. Xat you are aware that if I hit 5 before willz that I am pretty much dead right? the order of the votes counts bud..... You want me to act like willz, I am not willz. I'll try to go through and grab a more concrete read on someone else but I don't want to stretch anything. A lot of people's arguments are HIGHLY speculative IMO and I don't want to be forced into pulling something out of my ass. If I only have a few reads I'm confident in then that's that. I'm not going to grasp at straws just to say I "contributed" when I think there's way too much spam in this thread and now I'm beginning to contribute to it myself.
Anything helps, even if you have small Mafia reads. If you are Mafia, I don't blame you for not sharing your opinion openly, because that would just make it harder for your teammates tomorrow. But if you are town, you have NO reason to remain silent. Say everything (reasonable) on your mind at the moment. Mafia reads, town reads, anything.
BroodKing, what's your opinion now? Are you more convinced of yomi's suspiciousness after his recent actions? Or do you still think it's better to lynch Willz?
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And I agree vonKlaust, yomi would need to be Vigi shot even if he didn't get lynched now. So better just get it over with right away and save a Vigi shot.
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An updated vote count would be super!
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If I looked correctly, it's now 5 for yomi and 4 for Willz, right? BroodKing, I'm still waiting for your opinion. The rest are either AFK or lurking, so they seem to be set on their votes (thus irrelevant).
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Day 1 Vote Count!
yomi (5): ArcticFox, willz22912, Xatalos, KharadBanar, vonKlaust
willz22912 (4): Acrofales, Dittert, BroodKingEXE, yomi
trumpetarm (1): imallinson
Not voting: trumpetarn, HiroPro
The day ends in about 1.5 Hours! Remember that voting is mandatory!
yomi is set to be lynched!
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This vote is way to close I am going to vote for Yomi to make sure Mafia don't get the initiative to switch. I have already put some thoughts down, but his recent posts haven't helped his case. He talks about how he has been flaming, and that he is going to get more information. The problem with this is that its roughly 1.5 hours to vote, any information he brings foward won't be able to analyzed properly and the voting will turn to chaos. Although I think willz is more likely scum.
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Wait wait wait wait WHAT?
On April 14 2012 06:38 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think willz is more likely scum.
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On April 14 2012 06:38 BroodKingEXE wrote:
This vote is way to close I am going to vote for Yomi to make sure Mafia don't get the initiative to switch. I have already put some thoughts down, but his recent posts haven't helped his case. He talks about how he has been flaming, and that he is going to get more information. The problem with this is that its roughly 1.5 hours to vote, any information he brings foward won't be able to analyzed properly and the voting will turn to chaos. Although I think willz is more likely scum.
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##Vote: Yomi
What, WHAT? No, you can't get away with this.
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EBWOP -- hit enter too quickly. Going to use the chance to look back through brood and willz filters. Stand by.
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I'm willing to change my vote to Brood now if we get a concencus. Not only does he once again jump into a bandwagon, he also votes AGAINST what he believe would be good for town.
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Hello all, I've been afk for a while and just got back. I left when everyone was piling on Willz so I'm going to need to read through the thread so I can figure out what is going on. I shall reply shortly.
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Ok. I think you have poor reasoning skills and have never posted an actual "case" per say against me and neither has anyone else. This is your case? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328038¤tpage=20#395
I find this post comical at best and already debunked it.
I am an abrasive person and now I am dead. I don't know what you guys consider "helpful" but I guess I haven't done it. I think most of the posts in this thread are ridiculous at best and wildly speculative. I won't post anything speculative because I don't think more posting is automatically good and I only want to post things I'm at least somewhat sure of. I think more posting is actually bad and people should try to stay as concise as possible and post a lot less frequently or you guys are going to overwhelm yourselves with spam. I know I already can barely follow the thread. ~20 pages based on no actual information. I find this game bizarre.
I think the following players are suspicious:
xatalos - because his reasoning is frequently ridiculous. too dumb to believe (see dittert)
hiropro - not posting
dittert - can't believe the noob town act anymore.
brood:
this is his "case" against willz
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328038¤tpage=18#349
seriously? that passes for an argument now?
I think the following players are town:
willz
honestly not sure of anyone else at this point
well that's everything on my mind. I'm prob dead no matter what. gg.
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On April 14 2012 06:40 vonKlaust wrote:
I'm willing to change my vote to Brood now if we get a concencus. Not only does he once again jump into a bandwagon, he also votes AGAINST what he believe would be good for town.
I guess it goes without saying that I am also willing to switch to brood
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It makes willz case look SO much better too.
It's the most blatant scum move I've seen. Like pants-on-head dumb. Go read brood's filter immediately. I have to go pick up a pizza but I'll be back in about 40 minutes.
Brood, if you're town, that's literally the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. There's been suspicion near you but you've flown under the radar. Answer for this.
On April 14 2012 06:39 vonKlaust wrote:Wait wait wait wait WHAT? Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 06:38 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think willz is more likely scum.
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I can see the validity of your BroodKing case now willz, and I'm seriously considering switching my vote if we get enough backing.
Consider the following: If willz and yomi are both town (granted, yomi is a really noob townie then, but still), BroodKing can just bandwagon on whomever he sees the most town hate at the moment.
Even if willz is town and yomi is scum, a scum BroodKing can just go for the "easy" town cred in that case, saying he did vote on the right player when yomi flips red.
Can we please switch to BroodKing?
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