• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:31
CEST 16:31
KST 23:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"2ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!24Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)90
StarCraft 2
General
Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters
Tourneys
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion How Famous was FlaSh before his Debut? Animated Gateway BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Games can Help with Majo…
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4133 users

Ranting on SC

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
December 11 2011 03:58 GMT
#1
This started as a post in the Stephano thread and by the end of it I realized I would get banned if I posted it in that thread so here it is in the blog section where I can maybe get by with just a warning.

stephano is a fluke and he cannot play in code A at his current skill level.

only people that practice in korea can play in GSL

he is there now so he will improve but don't expect anything great from him for awhile. he still has to prove he can handle the korean schedule. he came out with something new and unexpected and won a tournament for it. good for him but he is not a world class (read: gsl caliber) player. GSL players are a tier above everyone else and no one can play w/ the GSL crowd consistently without living in korea.

I thought HuK would get knocked out of GSL a long time ago but I do think he will soon be eliminated and that he will be the last foreigner to ever play successfully in the GSL. I don't think we will ever again see a non korean national in code S. Or anyone that can consistently play on their level. If we do it will be certainly be a player living in korea.

Alomst no one living outside of Korea can, has, or ever will be able to play against Korean players consistently.

Idra was at one time capable of playing in code S but does not have the mental fortitude for tournament starcraft. nothing against the guy.

Very few people on earth are capable of playing games for a living. this includes SC, poker, chess and of course real sports. it takes a warrior mentality that most people just don't have regardless of talent. They can't handle the stress of having to win to eat and I don't blame them.

Idra is one of very very few foreigners with the speed to play at the GSL level but trained in korea for so long it is hard to even call him a "foreigner" anymore. It's not a blood DNA thing that makes koreans so much better. It is cultural, that is why I barely count Idra as a foreigner.

naniwa is not a gsl caliber player and never will be. he is a fluke as are all foreigners.

The foreigners are incredibly bad. All of them are bad. Not as pathetic as we were in BW but foreigners cannot play Starcraft against Koreans and that's just all there is to it really. Most of the foreign "pros" shouldn't even call themselves that as they make no money. There is very little money in starcraft in general and 90% of people calling themselves "pros" are making less than minimum wage aka they are not pro at anything. I don't know how these terrible foreigners make any money. They are basically professional internet celebrities.

Players like Idra and iNcontroL have more in common with Athene than MVP.

Nothing against them, I'm not calling them comedians, I'm just saying they are video game entertainers and not really hardcore tournament players making a living off of tournament winnings. They get by on their well-earned celebrity. Idra was a world class player and iNcontroL is a great personality and they both have in their own way done a lot for the community. But it bothers me when they are put in the same category of "pro starcraft player" as the code S guys.

Code S players are pro in the sense that they make a living from placing high in Starcraft tournaments. Foreigners are pro in the sense that they are professional at playing starcraft. Not professional at winning in starcraft.


also forGG is currently the most talented sc2 player and will soon be the best unless another current BW pro moves over.

Former BW pros are one thing but the current ProLeague is a lot harder than when Boxer, Nada, and July played in it no offense to these great legendary players. if they would have played in the current ProLeague they probably would have risen to the occasion and been the best but we don't know that for a fact. You can only be as good as your opponents will help you train to be. They are immensely talented but are not practicing nearly as hard as they used to. Point is even at their best they were not as good as the current ProLeaguers.

People that didn't follow BW I think don't understand just how fast these players are/were. Watching forGG stream lately has been a real treat, I haven't seen speed like this in a long time. I'm just watching him cycle hotkeys and I remembered all of a sudden what real lightning style tournament starcraft is supposed to look like. None of the current SC2 players are playing this incredibly fast physical style of SC that dominates in the BW proleague today. Not trying to bring back up that obnoxious elephant in the room article but it was right, these players in sc2 are not that fast. MMA I think is the only sc2 player I've seen show the intense speed of a BW player.


tournament starcraft is 90% pure speed. it is not really a strategy game and has a lot more to do with street fighter and quake than chess and poker. the strategy is pretty simple and revolves almost entirely around the first few minutes dealing with different all in builds. also certain base trading scenarios require tough decision making. there is almost no strategy at all in a standard macro game, it is even more a pure speed game. the BW pros are incredibly fast and if/when they switch over they will show all of the remaining "tricky" (not pure apm) players what real tournament style starcraft looks like.


Thanks for reading my rant bye.

User was temp banned for this post.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Summer Champion…
12:00
Summer Cup Group D
WardiTV954
IntoTheiNu 942
TKL 216
IndyStarCraft 138
Rex113
LiquipediaDiscussion
Escore
10:00
Season 3 Week 4
escodisco2574
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 345
TKL 216
IndyStarCraft 138
Rex 113
ProTech74
RushiSC 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 2906
Shuttle 2064
Horang2 846
EffOrt 756
Mini 570
BeSt 505
firebathero 380
Soulkey 366
Snow 224
ggaemo 221
[ Show more ]
actioN 194
hero 191
JYJ 123
Sharp 92
Rush 82
Hyun 55
Free 42
Mind 42
Barracks 40
Hm[arnc] 39
Aegong 38
Bale 37
910 32
soO 31
Sexy 30
NaDa 18
scan(afreeca) 15
Rock 14
Yoon 14
Shine 12
IntoTheRainbow 11
zelot 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Dota 2
qojqva1290
syndereN341
XcaliburYe33
League of Legends
KnowMe50
Counter-Strike
fl0m3454
Other Games
FrodaN2427
singsing2052
hiko922
B2W.Neo919
Lowko410
uThermal375
Mlord340
crisheroes325
DeMusliM228
Hui .226
ToD181
Liquid`VortiX153
C9.Mang0133
XaKoH 124
djWHEAT82
CosmosSc2 78
QueenE72
Trikslyr24
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 15
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV428
League of Legends
• Nemesis1954
• Jankos1546
• TFBlade552
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
1h 29m
Soulspirit vs goblin
TriGGeR vs Bunny
OSC
7h 29m
Korean StarCraft League
12h 29m
Afreeca Starleague
13h 29m
RSL Revival
18h 29m
Serral vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
Online Event
1d
Replay Cast
1d 9h
RSL Revival
1d 18h
Clem vs ByuN
Rogue vs Lambo
OSC
1d 21h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
INu's Battles
3 days
Cure vs herO
ByuN vs Rogue
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Patches Events
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-22
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Escore Tournament S3: W4
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.