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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 20 2012 16:39 GMT
#1128
On April 21 2012 01:34 jaj22 wrote:
Logically it would have been correct to lynch Yomi on day 1 even after BKEXE's failpost. If BKEXE is scum, why would he make a late switch to the vote-leading townie? His vote reasoning was garbage, sure, but the agenda made no sense unless Yomi was also scum. The possibility of BKEXE simply having a massive logic failure as town made Yomi the correct lynch choice.

It's rather sad because this is the closest I've seen a newbie town get to a day 1 scum lynch, and it was well deserved. Day 1 town play was generally very good.

Day 2 wasn't up to the standard of day 1, unfortunately. Too many players stopped scumhunting and you ended up with a choice between a martyr pushed by scum (Dittert) and a style case pushed by a lurker (Xatalos), with almost no pressure or analysis on anyone else. Until Acrofales turned everything upside down, Dittert had the most useful post of day 2 (yomi/willz case).

There's no good reason for that. On day 2, you should be going back through every filter with an open mind and looking for evidence. Don't get into the mindset of looking for two popular cases to choose between. If town is playing on cruise control, you'll just end up with the lynch that's most popular with scum. Also don't stop prodding people when you spot something that doesn't make sense, even if it's from days back.

Day 3 started with the same problem. Note that without the DT claim, town would still have been choosing between two townies. Was everyone really sure that either of Xatalos or Willz were scum? Apparently not, as no-one seemed to have a strong opinion except Xatalos and Willz themselves. So re-read the filters and find a better case. Don't be scared to break up a fight that you think might be between two townies. If nothing else, seeing their reactions to another case can tell you a lot more than just watching them defend themselves.



Yeah, I think I went with the peer pressure. Everyone voted for BroodKingEXE in like 5 minutes, and there was only less than 30 minutes left? I didn't think I could convince the others to go with yomi anymore. Had there been more time, or had BroodKingEXE actually defended himself, it would have been a Day 1 Mafia lynch (and a pretty likely town win after that, looking at the connections with yomi etc.)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 20 2012 19:29 GMT
#1131
Yeah... Well, now he knows better! Indeed I doubt Mafia would make a last-minute switch on Day 1, of all days. There was some logic in what he did, but it was under the assumption that Mafia wouldn't be ready to bus their teammate (yomi), which they were clearly already going to do.

Also, I think one of my mistakes was to make accusations on so many targets (at once / after one another). Every townie knows they are town, so they'll become automatically suspicious of someone who wants to lynch them. That's partly the reason why I couldn't convince Willz or funcmode to vote for KharadBanar (either one of them would have been enough) at the decisive moment: I had been ready to lynch them both just a while earlier, so they would rather believe the other "pro-town voice" (KB) who didn't want to lynch them!

I should focus on one target a time, not the whole possible Mafia team... Being too wide in my accusations just leads to OMGUS from the townies I accuse (even if they try to ignore the feeling, my credibility in their eyes drops because of that).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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