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At this point, I'm even ready to consider the possibility that Dittert's claim was actually genuine, but you abused his going AFK and turned it somehow into lynching me. Why do I think it might have been genuine?
A) KharadBanar was praised a lot from his previous game. B) In this game, KharadBanar has been mostly sheeping and using horrible logic, not actively pushing much of anything.
In that case, the only good option now would be to lynch Willz (since Dittert wouldn't be Mafia after all).
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The only thing in that situation I don't understand: why not let the Dittert lynch go through? It would have been an easy victory. But with these recent posts from KharadBanar, he must be Mafia. Which means the Mafia team is:
- Willz - KharadBanar - funcmode/imallinson/yomi?
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Or even vonKlaust. I don't even know anymore for sure. But I'm 100% certain Willz is Mafia, so that's the only reasonable lynch right now. After that, it's Dittert or KharadBanar.
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On April 20 2012 06:48 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 06:45 willz22912 wrote: @Xatalos, if you believe Dittert's DT claim to be real, why not vote KharadBanar since a DT check is also "100% confirmed Mafia" and Dittert also voted him as well, giving you +1 vote, making it more likely to save yourself?
Why vote me instead if you believe Dittert's claim (and do you think I'm also town considering Dittert is not willing to vote me anymore and he's a DT?)
He isn't considering Dittert's check to be real, he considers it to be very likely fake but you even more likely mafia. Even though I don't agree with him as much as he'd probably like, my opinion has since swung again in favour of him because you haven't been quite as active in saving me as I originally thought.
In that case... Will you vote for Willz or not? There's only an hour left, and your opinion carries weight. I can't be 100% sure which of you and Dittert is Mafia, but I can be 100% sure which of me and Willz is Mafia, so I'm going to vote for him now. Otherwise it might be a loss for town in just one hour.
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On April 20 2012 06:51 funcmode wrote: If there's one thing I've come as close as possible to convincing myself of tonight, it's that Dittert can't have been telling the truth with his DT claim.
If Dittert was telling the truth and he was town, and if Willz is scum would have known Dittert was town, and would have been happy for Dittert to be lynched (especially so if he was DT). The fact that he didn't, and went to all this effort to instead get people to switch to vote you instead (citing he'd still be happy for a Dittert lynch) suggests to me that Dittert can't possibly be telling the truth.
I might even vote for Dittert right now but I'm unsure of any implications this might have in regards to other people switching votes and what might result.
If Dittert was lying, then Willz and Dittert are Mafia. If Dittert was telling the truth, then Willz and KharadBanar are Mafia. The only logical conclusion is to vote for Willz right now.
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yomi, imallinson, vonKlaust, where did everyone go at a moment like this, seriously?!
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I'd rather lynch Dittert than myself, obviously. But with KharadBanar's recent posts, I'm not so sure about the DT claim being fake anymore.
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On April 20 2012 07:01 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 06:54 Xatalos wrote: If Dittert was lying, then Willz and Dittert are Mafia. If Dittert was telling the truth, then Willz and KharadBanar are Mafia. The only logical conclusion is to vote for Willz right now. It's exactly the same situation for me right now. If you are lying, then Willz and Dittert are Mafia. If you are telling the truth, then you and Dittert are Mafia. The only logical conclusion is for me to vote for Dittert right now. HOWEVER! Mafia is going to see this distribution of posts and laugh as loud as they can before they switch to the townie with the vote on him at the last minute. So the only conclusion is for everyone to make up their minds and put their votes on one player they really believe to be Mafia. I have an extremely hard choice between you and willz right now, therefore I'm asking if you are willing to switch to Dittert all together so we can avoid the unpleasant scene we would have otherwise.
Otherwise yes, but I have one problem: your latest posts have been so horrible from a town perspective, you might now be trying to switch the vote from me (town) to Dittert (Detective). I still can't decide between you and Dittert right now.
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In fact, in light of KharadBanar's recent posts, I think he must be Mafia together with Willz and that Dittert must be the actual Detective (additional weight to that since no other Detective has tried to dispute Dittert's claim yet). And imallinson was so fast to switch from Willz to Dittert to me and then disappear conveniently, he might well be the last Mafia.
##Unvote ##Vote: KharadBanar
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On April 20 2012 07:06 KharadBanar wrote: If you switch your vote to me, the votes will probably remain stacked on you because I can't cast a useful vote on Dittert at that point, and if you are really town then scum will rub their hands about this and not even have to do anything to win. If you switch to Dittert, we at least still have a decent chance of getting out of here alive.
What you claim might be true, but if I'm correct, Dittert is the real Detective. In that case, I must at least try to switch the vote to you, although it seems hopeless.
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On April 20 2012 07:09 willz22912 wrote: So now Xatalos is trying to weasel out of his lynch by voting anyone he can, sigh. Town you really disappoint me. KB, we can avoid your doomsday changevote scenario by just voting Xatalos and confirming his lynch.
If either of you have any further questions, just please take a look at Xatalos' filter for the last couple of pages, his logic is all over the place.
He says he possibly believes in Dittert's DT case against KB (ergo KB is 100% Mafia checked by a DT) but decides to vote me instead? D3 he was all for voting me and it was at a 2-2 standoff, but then Dittert came in with his DT claim, Xatalos switches to Dittert, but now he switches back to me (even though if he doesn't believe Dittert's fakeclaim that means Dittert is 100% Mafia and by his own previous reasoning, was the justification to lynch Dittert over me today)
What the heck? I just said I can't be sure which of them is Mafia, but considering the apparently friendly relationship with you and KharadBanar (plus the horrible logic KharadBanar is using to protect you now) KharadBanar must be Mafia. And Dittert already has his vote on KharadBanar, so unless all townies vote for KharadBanar, Mafia wins.
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Since Dittert must be town in this situation, and he already has the vote on KharadBanar, every townie MUST vote for KharadBanar or Mafia wins (they all already have their votes on me, so if it's 4-4, Mafia wins by being early). Although I'd rather lynch Willz, it's just impossible to win right now without lynching KharadBanar.
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I must say, KharadBanar, your play has been excellent, even better than Willz. It's too bad Mafia got all the best players. funcmode, if you are town, you HAVE to vote for KharadBanar or it's lost. Same for vonKlaust, if you're even there. And yomi.
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Then what about this, KharadBanar?
On April 20 2012 06:23 KharadBanar wrote: The main reason why I don't think of willz as that likely scum anymore is that he actively helped me defend myself and get out of Dittert's fake accusation when he could have easily switched his vote over to me and more or less assured a scum victory if any townie had taken the bait and voted for me. No scum would have ever done that. Not even Dittert. They would have thrown their victory away.
This post just makes absolutely ZERO sense if you are town. You are defending Willz with some of the most horrible logic I have ever seen. Considering your earlier analytic skills, it's impossible that you are town.
However, there's only 30 minutes left and every townie decided to go AFK for some reason. With that, the game is settled. GG Mafia (Willz, KharadBanar, imallinson/funcmode), really well played.
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On April 20 2012 07:24 vonKlaust wrote: Alright, I don't really know about this. I can't say I lean either way on Willz vs Xatalos really. I'm gonna trust my gut feeling, which says that Dittert is DT, and vote for KB.
##Vote: KharadBanar
Good that you agree with me Unfortunately it's not enough. We need every townie to vote for KharadBanar, and now it's only us three, because the two remaining townies decided to give Mafia the free win.
Something has felt off about KharadBanar all game, and now I finally notice it. He hasn't actually pushed even ONE lynch yet. I'd say his skill is comparable with Acrofales, but KharadBanar has done practically nothing for town compared to Acrofales. This is such a HUGE inconsistency that it can only mean Mafia.
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So it's currently:
Xatalos (4): Willz, KharadBanar, imallinson, funcmode KharadBanar (3): Dittert, Xatalos, vonKlaust Dittert (1): yomi
Since Mafia got the early advantage, KharadBanar needs 5 votes to be lynched. yomi, if you're there, you have to vote NOW. funcmode and imallinson, whoever of you two is town, vote KharadBanar. It's only 20 minutes left and both of you remaining townies need to do it or it's instant loss.
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WTH, yomi... That's the most lackluster vote I have ever seen in my life. This means that we are endgamed in 15 minutes and Mafia wins. None of the people voting for me right now can be Mafia, which leaves me with:
- KharadBanar - Willz - imallinson
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Or to be more precise:
- KharadBanar - Willz - imallinson/funcmode
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Or to be even more precise:
- KharadBanar - Willz - imallinson/funcmode/yomi
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Anyways, GG Mafia team. Well played. KharadBanar was the deceiver, gaining town credibility by sheeping Acrofales while subtly directing us to the wrong track. Willz was the survivor, always being suspected and always somehow surviving. The remaining player was the lurker, avoiding any attention.
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