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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 17 2012 20:02 GMT
#861
Why does that make you LESS suspicious of him? That doesn't make an ounce of sense.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 17 2012 20:04 GMT
#862
You could say the same thing about any lurker ever Sand, you're telling me that scum never lurk?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 17 2012 20:06 GMT
#863
What was the reasoning for your Ace shot Sandroba?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 17 2012 20:07 GMT
#864
"Prpl I don't believe is scum because I don't think scum would never post in the thread as that would likely need to being vigged/bomb/lurker lynched etc."

The need in there is actually lead. Do you think scum would behave like this knowing they would be shot/bombed/lynched very likely?
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 17 2012 20:11 GMT
#865
If anyone have pm loggs with jackal post them. (You can redact information if you want).
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 17 2012 20:13 GMT
#866
About lurkers: No. Prpl is not posting at all. He is not even trying to pretend he is contributing/participating. Lurking scum try to save face.

The reasoning was that he wasn't willing to help at all and wasn't doing anything on his own either. His claim was unnecessary and led to no new information and no leads on scum. I've seen him claiming shit as scum in the 2 games I read/participated. I thought he was scum. I agonized a lot before doing it because I've been wrong about him before, but in the end decided it was a fair shot.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2012 20:17 GMT
#867
ok, given what i've learned, i'm also ok with a jackal lynch though i would still prefer a sinani one over jackal
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 17 2012 20:17 GMT
#868
Prplhz is scum and should be lynched today. Sandroba is being ridiculous/scum.

He's pretending to participate - he's been in contact with me most of D2 hounding me about my Ace read. He's just hiding from the thread Sandroba, because he doesn't want attention on himself.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 17 2012 20:23 GMT
#869
On April 18 2012 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
What was the reasoning for your Ace shot Sandroba?

I shot ace mainly because I couldn't understand what the hell he was doing.

Why did he feel that randoming the captain would be more beneficial then voting. He said it gives us a better chance to elect a town captain. It's a play of words because yes it gives us a better odds of electing a townie then electing a scum.
It's completely irrelevant and wrong because that's just due to towns basic number advantage. And we have that same advantage even if we choose to vote for captains. It just removes all responsibillity for voting and we get no information from it.

He didn't responded to me in pm-land and he refused to roleclaim to sandroba despite that only a moron would doubt sandrobas alignment. He was one of the few people who hadn't roleclaimed and when we told him we were going to shoot him if he didn't he shrugged it of with a "meh".

I don't regret the shot, I'm just pissed at ace for joining a game and not giving a fuck.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
April 17 2012 20:23 GMT
#870
On April 18 2012 00:38 talismania wrote:
Ok. There are five people in this game who are scum. There are twenty who aren't.

Here are the players from which I believe the scum team comes:

MrZentor - A few reasons to think this as have been posted.

One, as brought up by layabout via kurumi of course is the entanglement with l10f. l10f is bad at playing scum. The simplest explanation for his behavior is that he was trying to protect his scumbuddy when he saw someone attack him.

Two is that his demeanor has changed over the course of the game. He started out with his bid for captaincy, ever since it fizzled and people started looking at him, he's been on the defensive. This is a weaker reason as town can act this way too. Also note strongandbig's point about his campaign for captaincy including the promise that people could lynch him if they disagreed with his decision-making. That made and still makes no sense from a town point of view - if you're town, why would you agree to let yourself get lynched under any circumstances?

Three is that he basically revealed that he knew about acrofales' bombs. I haven't heard any replies from the people I PM'd about this yet so I'll just go ahead and post it.

Show nested quote +
People seem to be confused by Acrofale's bomb.

He could target a person at night with it, and if Acro died, the person died too.

He could choose to move it to somebody else the next night or keep it on the same person.

R.I.P Acrofales


This means that acrofales told him how his bombs work. This means that MrZentor knew that if acrofales died, another person would die. This means that if MrZentor were scum, he knew that killing acrofales would be a 2 for 1. Also note that acrofales stated in the thread at one point that he thought MrZentor was acting scummy. Acrofales was targeted for a reason - part of it may have been his suspicion of l10f but another part of it may be this. Marvellosity, this explains why acrofales told you to be suspicious of Zentor if he died. The only part that doesn't make sense is why Zentor would even make that post - maybe someone else knew? Maybe he slipped in trying to appear helpful? Or this whole case is rubbish and he's town.

Sinani206

Read Sinani's filter. Compare it to l10f's.

Sinani does nothing day one but comment on the captaincy. It's all superficial game-content posts from him. There is no attempt at real scumhunting. There is no attempt at any protown plan. He hasn't responded to PMs. Yet he's still in the game, posting and making votes. His vote just now for ET reeks.

Jackal58

He's on here almost by process of elimination and my own gut feeling to be perfectly honest. Here are his comments in PM land when asked what he thinks of sinani, node, and zentor:

Show nested quote +
Node is AWOL too much. Don't know if he's going strong in PM land or not.
Sinani drives me nuts but I think he's town.
Zentor strikes me as a noob trying to get lynched. Dunno what he is.

What do you make of them?
What do you make of Sandroba?

Original Message From talismania:
what do you make of node, sinani, and zentor?


Could be confirmation bias, but my eyebrows arched a bit when he asks me that fish-y question on sandroba. Here's the rest of the conversation:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have never been right about Sinani. I don't expect to start being right about him today. He reminds me of Kenpachi.
And Node I agree. I've only seen him disappear like this when he's been scum.
You're right about Sandroba. I don't know why everybody claimed to him,and I still haven't ruled out that he may have used a vig to bus his teammate.

Original Message From talismania:
All three are near the scummy end of my list. sinani and node both only commented reactively to the captaincy discussion and have done little in the way of accusation or protown planning/ideas. At least sinani appears to still be playing the game.

Sandroba is town or we're all royally fucked. You think there's something going on with him?


coagulation

Like, Jackal, this case isn't that strong. There's not much to go on here, but again it's almost process of elimination. He goes after ace fairly strongly, as maverick pointed out. That doesn't necessarily make him scum - many people had suspicions of ace at the time, myself included. His vote on prp does not sit right with me. Not necessarily because of who it was made on, but how it was made. Maybe I'm tunneling, but it was almost like "oh whew, people are interested in a townie lynch let me hop on that real quick".

VayeshMoru

Oh Vayesh. I really have no clue what your alignment is. You're on this list because you're voting Node right now, and Jackal is fingering him as well. That's weak, I admit. But you also have cast some suspicion on marvellosity, who gives me town vibe, as well as me. You were the only person and maybe are the only person in the game to ever publicly state a suspicion on me. I think it was something like "he's only trying to play for himself" or something when I had just made a post about making sure that everyone shared as much information as possible.

________

On the bubble:

Node

Node has the same MO as sinani day one - except he actually did put some pressure on someone (strongandbig). And he's also disappeared since then, whereas sinani has at least attempted to keep playing. He's mainly out here because Jackal is raising suspicions of him, and I think scum right now are fishing for viable lynch alternatives to themselves

________

Outside possibilities:

Prplhz, erandorr. I wouldn't mind seeing these players flipped but I'm guessing they would come back town and would rather we go for one of ones higher up.




One, as brought up by layabout via kurumi of course is the entanglement with l10f. l10f is bad at playing scum. The simplest explanation for his behavior is that he was trying to protect his scumbuddy when he saw someone attack him.


To be honest, I think I was wrong about what I wrote in my previous posts. l10f admits I'm scum. He says I shouldn't get killed asap but that I should get killed. He wasn't defending me. He was trying to delay my death, because if you spend 3 days assuming I am scum and building all your theories around me being scum, when I'm lynched and flip town, you're dead. That excerpt is just an example of him being scummy.

Two is that his demeanor has changed over the course of the game. He started out with his bid for captaincy, ever since it fizzled and people started looking at him, he's been on the defensive. This is a weaker reason as town can act this way too. Also note strongandbig's point about his campaign for captaincy including the promise that people could lynch him if they disagreed with his decision-making. That made and still makes no sense from a town point of view - if you're town, why would you agree to let yourself get lynched under any circumstances?


Of course my demeanor has changes over the course of the game; everyone's has.

It's not really about "me" being lynched; it's more of a guarantee that I won't disregard town's decision and lynch a townie.(See GM)

This means that acrofales told him how his bombs work. This means that MrZentor knew that if acrofales died, another person would die. This means that if MrZentor were scum, he knew that killing acrofales would be a 2 for 1. Also note that acrofales stated in the thread at one point that he thought MrZentor was acting scummy. Acrofales was targeted for a reason - part of it may have been his suspicion of l10f but another part of it may be this. Marvellosity, this explains why acrofales told you to be suspicious of Zentor if he died. The only part that doesn't make sense is why Zentor would even make that post - maybe someone else knew? Maybe he slipped in trying to appear helpful? Or this whole case is rubbish and he's town.


Of course I knew about his bombs. He and I were best friends. <3 Assuming he was killed because of his bomb, and therefore I am scum is stupid. He was being very active by pming a lot of people, acting extremely townie, and pressuring l10f. He would be a great target for the scum, mostly because of the last part.

The point at which he says I'm acting scummy is before we talked and roleclaimed to eachother. One of the reasons why he starting talking to me is because he thought I was scummy.

When he says Marv should be suspicious of me, I think it's more of a "he's not confirmed town" than a "I think he's scum". He's telling Marv to not completely trust me. The reason for why there's the possibility of me seeming confirmed town to Marv is probably floating around PM land, so at least a few of you should know what I'm talking about.

There really is no reason for scum to so obviously post information that can only incriminates them. A town, however, want to clear up the confusion.

this whole case is rubbish and he's town.



Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 17 2012 20:26 GMT
#871
Prplhz might be scum, but I don't think it's likely nor that he is the best lynch for today. Every item that is not unique has 2-4 copies that all share the same name. Jackal has an item that does the exact same thing the another item that has 2 copies does, but has a different name. Out of every claim I have, which is basically everybody but coagulation, his is the ONLY ONE that is like that. So I rightfully believe that he is an alien lying or has an alien item. That is my conclusion. If you don't agree and think the host randomly decided to give ONLY jackal and item like that to specifically fuck him over then explain to me how that makes sense.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 17 2012 20:35 GMT
#872
K fuck it.

##Unvote: prplhz
##Vote: Jackal28
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 17 2012 20:40 GMT
#873
For the record, between the two I prefer a prplhz lynch and will switch to prplhz to secure a prplhz lynch if the lynch is that close. Just so there are no surprises.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
April 17 2012 20:42 GMT
#874
I trust Sandroba, just like he trusts me.


##Vote: Jackal28
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
VayeshMoru
Profile Joined September 2009
201 Posts
April 17 2012 20:46 GMT
#875
Vayesh is both confused and amused. his fellow crew members were being such fools. this is to be expected by some but not by others. we have no idea the will of the universe. we also do not know if roba speaks the truth. to damn jackal we should be looking at his behavior in the com logs not his private conversations. his missinformation is plain to see
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
April 17 2012 20:53 GMT
#876
Is anybody else getting really annoyed by Vayesh?

we also do not know if roba speaks the truth.

No. You do not know if roba speaks the truth. Unless you have access to every communication involving roba, you can not speak for what we know.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 17 2012 20:53 GMT
#877
It is true. Risk has a copy of my ss, he can attest to it. Also If anyone did not claim to me besides coag they can say it.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
April 17 2012 20:59 GMT
#878
Its five not two. Anyway, the item name inconsistency might be solved by host trying to save the setup from being broken. Also guys. Lets go with the words of another confirmed town Ace. We should not lynch active players. I agree with Jackal that pm games tend to suck because people post a lot less in the thread and many vets say that town tends to rely too much on blues and confirming people. Remember , the flip confirms someone. I am against Jackal lynch fully. I am more than happy to lynch someone scummy lurking. As for Zentor my gut still says town but the things shown are at least weird . Although I have hard time reading the thread because I dont sleep much or well at all so I get tired fast and am really weak after school.
About Node : check his pregame posts. Check his in game posts. Did he just get lazy?
On phone so cant quote.
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 17 2012 21:02 GMT
#879
If it was host intention to give items different names, he would do it to a few people, or all items have different names. But, that's not the case. ONLY INCONSISTENCY is jackal.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 17 2012 21:06 GMT
#880
How is jackal active? He doesn't scumhunt, have basicly no scumreads and as far as I know he haven't talked to anyone exept for gm and sandroba in pm's.

1. Kurumi do you think we should kill all the lurking newbies who is likely town before we start scumhunting?
2. And how is jackals filter better then theirs?
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