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On April 11 2012 16:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I did read the thread, though I must admit I missed the ebwop as Toad's huge post drew my attention. Honestly Toad, WBG, VE, and you all look suspicious to me, and I'm highly surprised sputnik didn't flip red. You typed a significant scumslip as it's very likely that mafia would create such a list for use in their own quicktopic and when copypasting it, forget to change the "we". That's why I'm on your ass, the ebwop could just be an oh shit after rereading it or one of your scumbuddies pointing it out. I'll be looking at your filter more closely tonight.

On April 11 2012 16:41 wherebugsgo wrote:


okay, so if we all look suspicious to you, who looks the most suspicious? Who would you lynch out of myself, Toad, and VE? Why?

On April 11 2012 16:34 Toadesstern wrote:


Oh for christs sake gonzaw. I'm the attention seeking hypno-Toad, don't sit in my spot!

Seriously everyone doing a post that's not about YOUR case is some stupid bullshit because people are ignoring the important part in this thread according to you? You've got to be kidding me.
I didn't even notice that beause it's so short above my massive wall of text and while you posted I obviosusly wasn't checking the thread but that DOES sound pretty hilarious after all :p

On April 11 2012 16:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I did read the thread, though I must admit I missed the ebwop as Toad's huge post drew my attention. Honestly Toad, WBG, VE, and you all look suspicious to me, and I'm highly surprised sputnik didn't flip red. You typed a significant scumslip as it's very likely that mafia would create such a list for use in their own quicktopic and when copypasting it, forget to change the "we". That's why I'm on your ass, the ebwop could just be an oh shit after rereading it or one of your scumbuddies pointing it out. I'll be looking at your filter more closely tonight.

On April 11 2012 16:45 gonzaw wrote:

1)
No, I think what I posted about VE is somewhat important, and people could very well comment if they agree with what I posted or not, instead of just saying "VE is scummy ##Vote: VE".
2)
Also, I'm not too sure about wbg and I posted my reasons why. I'd appreciate it if someone would comment on it too so I can improve my read on wbg, and see what other people think of him.



3)
Why are VE, Toad and wbg suspicious? Post your reasoning.
And what do you think about other players? Who do you think is the most suspicious out of them?
And ignore that, it's not a scumslip and you know it.

On April 11 2012 17:04 Toadesstern wrote:


This is gold. Keep on posting gonzaw, please.

1) why do you think your case is so important RIGHT NOW? To make sure people will say you've been on VE all along once he flipped because you thought noone is going to vote the legendary VE aka your mafia buddy?
2) I don't think wbg should be a topic right now unless it has something to do with our lynch, because otherwise it's derailing the thread.
3)
The first line might be an okayish question to ask although I am totally fine with people just agreeing with me and bugs. Or are you going to say that everyone who did not have a proper, own case on a mafia-flip has to be a mafia himself? I am pretty sure most cases are something like "a couple of people did the case, the rest read it, agreed and voted as well".

You are not asking artanis this question and noone else. Why are you not asking people like Katina that question? Why are you not asking Johnny who, as far as I can recall just said he thinks VE is town and I am mafia, now he says he agrees with what I said and thinks VE is mafia ever since my big post.

The sencond line is derailing the thread right now. Yes it may help your reads but I don't care about your reads right now. I want to lynch mafia.
And well the third line, you're mafia so it IS a scumslip.

On April 11 2012 16:48 Risen wrote:
He makes a really good point about copy pasting from scum thread. Still not a car on its own, though.

On April 11 2012 15:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok do we lynch VE or Gonzaw today?

Right now both are voting for a basicly confirmed townie (read: me) and neither of those 2 is reading the game, not even with the most recent flips they're willing to read. I think we got 2 mafia palmars in here.

I'll explain this in three phases:

On April 11 2012 15:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Phase 1 - Nightkills

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We've got a claimed shot from ET against michaelthe. So for now I'm assuming he really is a town vig. Even if he is a mafia vig that doesn't matter because it's about the KP amount. Mafia only as 3 normal KP. So the important part it that this is one additional kill towards the usual 3 KP.

Ok what's left?
sputnik.theory
Jackal58
MidnightGladius
slOosh

That's 4 people. Still 1 KP more than Mafia should have, right? So now ask yourself for a second who do you think mafia shot and more importantly who was the target for our 2nd vig, no matter of alignment?

Let's assume we have a town vig for a second. Do you think a townvig would shoot someone like Jackal when there's people like Sputnik around? I doubt it.
Next question: Do you think mafia would have shot sputnik considering there's a shitload of people willing to lynch him? I doubt it. Therefore It's either 2 town vigs or 1 townvig + 1 mafiavig and the mafiavig is ET who shot michael because no way mafia would shoot sputnik. AT ALL. I doubt ET is a mafia vig though but that has nothing to do with me being confirmed.

On April 11 2012 15:19 Toadesstern wrote:
That leaves this list of people who probably got shot by mafia, you may replace sloOsh or midnight with sputnik if you think those 2 looked equally bad but no way a townie shot Jackal:
Jackal58
MidnightGladius
slOosh
That's still 3 people. What's mafia KP? 3. That means mafia one-shotted every single one of those.

Remember who told people NOT TO protect Jackal at all costs? That's right, that's VE and WBG.
More importantly, remember who told people to protect Jackal and Toad as well? RIGHT, THAT'S ME click me!

So back to our kills. What did I just say? Mafia oneshotted those guys. Do you honestly beliefe I would be asking people to protect Jackal as a mafia if I was about to shoot Jackal with a single bullet?
In what world would I EVER do such a thing as mafia?

On April 11 2012 15:19 Toadesstern wrote:

Phase 2 - Votes on Day 1

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More onto why I am "confirmed"
Look into the people who voted d1 and how they voted. We killed a townie with Janaan. I am pretty sure there's plenty of mafia on him as we had A LOT of troubles getting a lynch at all.
Town was probably derping hardcore d1. I guess VE read that I think Hassy is mafia but did not comment on it because he did not think it was a threat because everyone ignored it. Once WBG got in the thread and placed his vote and I did the same he suddenly says he thinks Hassy is Mafia out of nowhere and places his vote there.
There's 2 options here:
EITHER Hassy is simply mafia and VE did not think it was a threat at all considering we only had like 4 hours left and need 16 people on Hassy and therefore wanted something to later point back and say "lookielookie, I tried killing hassy d1" only to switch later to janaan.
The other option is Hassy being a townie, although I doubt that's possible. In that case VE just did whatever he wanted to because both targets are town.

So basicly if Hassy is red there's probably a shitload of mafias on janaan and WBG and I pushed a red while VE conveniently jumped on the wagon himself when it looked to him like it was not going to happen and switched back to Janaan later on. If Hassy is green it's a null

On April 11 2012 15:19 Toadesstern wrote:

Phase 3 - VE and Gonzaw the new and improves Mafia-Palmars

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I'm going to make this short because this is not about me being as townish as you can get but about VE and Gonzaw being mafia. Short "sadly" means I'll be only covering one point each. It's still a wall of text.

First a little about VE:
Remember the weird post claiming VE thinks hassy is mafia?
I am talking about this one: clicky!

The second I saw that I asked wbg what he thinks about it because that post is highly suspicious, wbg said I am probably paranoid and I left it with that for the moment.
I'll just quote 3 really short phrases out of that post:
thefuck? Really?

On April 11 2012 15:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Next thing: Remember how basicly everyone said I am looking okay or nullish except for gonzaw? VE did not say a thing because he saw everyone saying I'm okay, especially wbg and Jackal thinking I'm fine probably made him not want to touch me based on a case that's based on "Toad posts wall of texts".
He knows there's no way out of this. He is to go all-in on me to at least get another mislynch before he dies and you know what will happen the second I flip town?
gonzaw said he thinks VE and I am both Mafia. The second I flip town gonzaw will walz in this thread telling people some bullshit about being sorry how wrong he was and his reads are so off that he'll have to rethink everything, obviously no longer willing to lynch VE

On April 11 2012 15:19 Toadesstern wrote:

According to VE I am unreadable. That guy claimes to have legendary reads right now. How is it that someone like Kita FAKECLAIMES DT who got a green check on me in Storm because according to him I was so obviously town (just imagine the situation, fakeclaiming a DT check as a townie, that's rather drastic if you name is not schworz) to save me from being lynched by mafia + SK.
Yet VE walzes in this thread saying he wants to lynch me because I am unreadable. Because I am unreadable. I'm going to repeat that. I AM UNREADABLE?!? the fuck-#2 and the fuck-#3 at the same time.

There's two possiblities here:
1) He really thinks I am unreadable and has not a single Scumread that is better than true-rnd.
2) He really thinks I am mafia in which case I am not unreadable if he thinks he is right.

Case 1 is obviously not the case. IF that would be the case it would mean VE has not a single scumread on d1 with 6 dead townies that he considers to be better than true-rnd. That'd be totally awful.
Case 2 is interesting. Why should he claim I am unreadable if he thinks I am mafia? Either he lies about thinking I am mafia OR he wants to have a nice cop-out after lynching me claiming "sry guys, I told you he is unreadable "

Soooo. Long post is already long so I'll stop here. I haven't talked a lot about VE and gonzaw but I'm already doubting all of you will read this because it's so long so I'm stopping here.

Take what I said into consideration:
Do you really think I am a mafia who single-target-shot Jackal just to ask for medic protection on Jackal prior to shooting him?
Do you really think it's a good idea to lynch the guy who was not on the townie lynch d1 while probably of bunch of townies tried to get janaan killed?
Do you really think Gonzaw and VE are townies considering what I just said?

For those of you you answer a single or more of those 3 questions with yes go ahead and click the spoiler please:
+ Show Spoiler [click me!] +

For those of you who answered all of the 3 questions with a no: Congratz on being awesome.
Now talk about who we should lynch today. I am eating my hat if one of those two guys turns out to be town and I've only got a single hat. That's a fancy Faschings-hat (according to dict.cc that word exists in english as well!) and eating that would be painful:
+ Show Spoiler [my hat] +

That being sad. I'll quote myself from this very post because I can not believe how someone is possibly suggesting to lynch me given the kills we got unless that guy hasn't reath the thread or is not actively asking himself what those kills imply.


Oh and sry if I got a shitload of spelling mistakes or words missing inbetween. It's 8 am in germany so I'm still pretty sleepy. It took me an hour to write and check it.

On April 11 2012 17:04 Toadesstern wrote:
This is gold. Keep on posting gonzaw, please.

1) why do you think your case is so important RIGHT NOW? To make sure people will say you've been on VE all along once he flipped because noone is going to vote the legendary VE aka your mafia buddy?
2) I don't think wbg should be a topic right now unless it has something to do with our lynch, because otherwise it's derailing the thread.
3)
The first line might be an okayish question to ask although I am totally fine with people just agreeing with me and bugs. Or are you going to say that everyone who did not have a proper, own case on a mafia-flip has to be a mafia himself? I am pretty sure most cases are something like "a couple of people did the case, the rest read it, agreed and voted as well".

You are not asking artanis this question and noone else. Why are you not asking people like Katina that question? Why are you not asking Johnny who, as far as I can recall just said he thinks VE is town and I am mafia, now he says he agrees with what I said and thinks VE is mafia ever since my big post.

The sencond line is derailing the thread right now. Yes it may help your reads but I don't care about your reads right now. I want to lynch mafia.
And well the third line, you're mafia so it IS a scumslip.

On April 11 2012 17:28 gonzaw wrote:
People, just to let you know that this is a total shitstorm that will let the remaining scum fly under the radar.
Toad is tunneling me and VE and forcing everybody to just vote one of us and not discussing anything else, not even the pressure against him, nothing.
Again, his case on VE isn't that great
VE is tunneling Toad, on yet another not very good case based on Toad claiming he's "confirmed town" and using that confidence as a scummy trait, yet he keeps ignoring everything else said about Toad.

So people, if you want vote one of them, or day-vig them if you want (I'd be very happy with that); but still post your thoughts on other players and pressure them.

On April 11 2012 17:33 Zealos wrote:

I like this post, because you mention the fact that those players are causing people to tunnel, the proceed to talk about nothing but those players.