EPTUnless you think that your incorrect scumreads are worth more then my advice to not lynch the innocent Janaan...
going by your ability to exercise judgement so far I wouldn't be surprised if you did..
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sputnik.theory
Poland449 Posts
Unless you think that your incorrect scumreads are worth more then my advice to not lynch the innocent Janaan... going by your ability to exercise judgement so far I wouldn't be surprised if you did.. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I'm DEAD tonight. Please refer to ANY game I've been in for the last 2 months. My D1 reads are reaching Legendary status. I'm going to again request medic protection. AGAIN. PLEASE protect me tonight. WBG makes a good target too...but PLEASE PROTECT ME TONIGHT! | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
He's not contributing anything at all, not a single scum read. He's only arguing back and forth between those that accuse him and only clogs up the thread. It's unlikely he would be town and be this disruptive, but even if he's town I'd prefer a vig shooting him and not waste all D2 on him. Still reading the thread and filters, I don't see anything scummy from Hassy for now, I'd prefer sputnik or Toad dying (or VE, but not that much right now). The thing that I found odd is that there wouldn't be many reasons for scum to try a mass-switch on Hassy if they could be content in keeping their vote on Janaan (at least the ones that did). Well, if Hassy is town though, if Hassy is scum they could try to gain some town cred by FoSing a teammate who wouldn't get lynched, but damn his wagon grew very fast that seems unlikely to happen (or it grew so fast scum decided to go back to Janaan). | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Faithless cowards! Hassybaby! I'm DEAD tonight. Please refer to ANY game I've been in for the last 2 months. My D1 reads are reaching Legendary status. I'm going to again request medic protection. AGAIN. PLEASE protect me tonight. WBG makes a good target too...but PLEASE PROTECT ME TONIGHT! Quit directing blues, scum. I'm apparently the only one who thinks as much but as soon as people like sputnik, michaelthe, and johnnywup are gone you're going to be looked at hard by everyone else. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:09 michaelthe wrote: Why do you say this? Are you really surprised he flipped green? Or do you simply think it makes you look town to post sadness that we killed a townie? + Show Spoiler + On April 09 2012 15:06 EchelonTee wrote: Janaan Yeah yeah, I dismissed gonzaw earlier when he asked me, but it prompted me to re-read his filter. Gonzaw found the summation of 1-4 to be scummy enough for a vote. I personally thought that #3/4 were not scummy (I agreed in part with 3, and 4 is just Janaan talking), #1 was minorly scummy (talking about newbiness is a very small scumtell), and #2 was semi-scummy, because he is buddying to VE and not talking about much. However, since I only found some of this post scummy, and since it was his first post (opening posts often have setup fluff), this didn't raise the biggest red flag to me. However, I feel that his case on Jitsu is pretty insubstantial, and is a forced attempt to put something out when pressured. Janaan hasn't posted that much so it is hard to get a read on him, but he doesn't feel as genuine as I remember him in Suprisingly Normal Mini VII. In that game, he was a lot more active, but not only that, he was assertive towards people, posted reads and opinions on many things, and just sounded a lot more forthright and open. Though inactivity could be due to being busy, it stands that Janaan has not been very decisive when I know he can be. My vote remains on Tunkeg because I feel that he has been more artificial in his posting, and he has been around/active enough that if he had wanted to make substantial cases / respond to pressure on him, he easily could've. To S.T. and Janaan, respond to this and start/expand on your cases, because at the moment all you are doing is scummily lurking, and I won't stand for that. On April 10 2012 04:55 EchelonTee wrote: ##Unvote: Tunkeg ##Vote: Janaan I could see Tunkeg's actions from a pissed off, given up townie perspective (imagine MrZentor from Sum of All Fears), but Janaan looks pretty irreconcilable. I think this is the best play at the moment. The first post is a part where you talk about a few cases. The second post, where you vote swap, you accuse him as "irreconcilable". Then, you basically defend him in your next post. + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 09:41 EchelonTee wrote: lmao. it's not always about WHAT you say, it's about HOW you say it. See look: That post by Janaan is actually one of the more genuine posts in his filter. He is just saying plainly that he doesn't know at that point; the manner in which he says it is very matter-of fact. I find other things about Janaan scummy, but being happy with lynching someone ONLY b/c they say "I don't know who I want to lynch", disregarding that they DID come back later after being pressured? Your reasoning is odd ghost. FoS Rest of your posts leading up to lynch had no content. I get why ST would be upset that he lynched a townie, he is a noob. You should know that we are likely to kill a townie. Why, then, the "sigh". Because you think it makes you look pro-town? That compiled with your weak accusations-bandwagon-weak accusations... you're seriously going to argue that I am a low content poster bandwagoner. ![[image loading]](http://imgon.net/di-HM2H.jpg) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Hassybaby, Toadesstern, Jackal, gonzaw | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On April 10 2012 11:48 sputnik.theory wrote: Great analysis everyone who voted for the vanilla townie to die keep up the great work! Do you honestly not get why people want to vig you? You make a post saying that you won't vote Janaan because he is town. (with no reasoning given) You make no effort to try to prevent Janaan from being lynched. You provide no scum-reads for an alternative lynch. You then proceed to jump in the thread and pretend that you've been pro-town and that everybody else is stupid for lynching him. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I wouldn't mind a DT check on Toad/Jackal, or a vig shot on Toad (but that means the vig won't be able to shoot ST). | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:58 Risen wrote: Quit directing blues, scum. I'm apparently the only one who thinks as much but as soon as people like sputnik, michaelthe, and johnnywup are gone you're going to be looked at hard by everyone else. I know you don't like jdub/sputnik/michaelthe for various reasons; how do they connect to VE again? On April 10 2012 12:55 gonzaw wrote: Even if sputnik is town, it's far better for town to have him die; so vigs just shoot him tonight. He's not contributing anything at all, not a single scum read. He's only arguing back and forth between those that accuse him and only clogs up the thread. It's unlikely he would be town and be this disruptive, but even if he's town I'd prefer a vig shooting him and not waste all D2 on him. Seriously gonzaw? Did you not learn anything from Sum of All Fears Mafia? "Even if he's town it's better if he dies?" That is such a poor mindset, and the way you callously go on about this makes you look so so scummy. And the whole "leave him to a vig" nonsense? That's exactly what you said in SOAF. What if there are no vigs? What if scum medic just heals sputnik? In a game where scum kp is dependent on number of members, if sputnik is bad enough to be on your top2 scum list, shouldn't he be in the auto-lynch category? God. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
On April 10 2012 13:06 gonzaw wrote: Don't worry, scum will probably kill me tonight. I wouldn't mind a DT check on Toad/Jackal, or a vig shot on Toad (but that means the vig won't be able to shoot ST). ???????? you're scum. I'm pushing you in the morning. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Vigs should shoot ST tonight, that's what the vigs are there for, to shoot "useless" "lurkers" that create "chaos" and will be a reliability if they were to be kept alive (which they won't, either because they are scum or because scum won't kill them). There are more important matters to take into account on D2 than having ST disrupt everything and arguing with everybody over nothing. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:46 sputnik.theory wrote: Rigth back at you. Unless you think that your incorrect scumreads are worth more then my advice to not lynch the innocent Janaan... going by your ability to exercise judgement so far I wouldn't be surprised if you did.. I was more helpful than you were D1. In fact, everyone was more helpful than you were D1, even the people who literally didn't post and were modkilled/replaced. Vigis would have to be incompetent fools to let you live through the night. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On April 10 2012 13:13 VisceraEyes wrote: 3c was a lurker, not an argumentative prick. There's a marked difference. In fact, 3c eventually went inactive and had to be replaced entirely. But yeah the whole "argumentative prick" is my deal | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On April 10 2012 13:16 Blazinghand wrote: In fact, 3c eventually went inactive and had to be replaced entirely. But yeah the whole "argumentative prick" is my deal So where's your deal today sir? You haven't been in anyone's shit this game like you were in my shit in SoAF. Sup? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Toad would make a great dt check, though. So would Blazinghand and ghost (blazinghand because he, like Toad is hard to read) Personally I wouldn't mind vigis shooting into Hassy, ghost, michael, and Jackal. Jackal I'm less sure about, but he certainly hasn't been helpful. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
Now, normally I don't like playing by meta, but I figured that this needed to be checked up on. In terms of Day 1 voting: In SoaF, town VE voted: Cyber_Cheese, EchelonTee, Cyber_Cheese (lynching town C_C) 2 switches In LII, [green]town VE[/town] voted: Caller (no lynch) 0 switches In C9++, town VE voted: johnnywup, Tobon, Jackal (lynching scum Jackal) 2 switches In Storm, SK VE voted: redFF, Dirkzor, redFF, (unvote), redFF, BloodyCobbler, Blazinghang, BloodyCobbler, (lynching town redFF) 7 switches In Arkham City, scum VE voted: kitaman, layabout, Sheth (lynching town C_C) 2 switches Unfortunately, the search results don't go any further than that. While I dislike making reads on meta alone, and I don't consider this sufficient evidence one way or the other, I do have to conclude that a town VE, on average, switches fewer times, while scum VE, on average, switches more times, and that at the moment, he has switched a notably high number of times. Now, let's look at his behavior, and we can see how he attempts to justify his actions: In his first post, VE advocates lynching a lurker, if no scummier alternatives are found. However, he soon revises his position to insist on a scum lynch. Why the change in focus? Remember, throughout this, he's been gently pushing Risen, and after announcing his change in lynch policy, more explicitly pushes for Risen and WBG, but still doesn't place his vote. When he does, however, he states: On April 09 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Now, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to keep voting for you unless I'm convinced that you're being straight up with this ruse bullshit. Right now I think it's nonsense, but because you're suspicious of Bugs (someone I'm also suspicious of), I'm willing to entertain the idea that maybe THIS time town could actually be that dumb. Prove me wrong guy. (emphasis mine) This is followed up with: On April 09 2012 10:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Risen is the guy I'd kill today. 100%. It might be leftover rancor from JubJub and letting Caller get away, but his little bullshit earlier is basically a carbon-copy of the stupid shit Caller pulled and I'm not letting it fly this game. I'm willing to consolidate at the end of the day, but if I had a bullet it would have Risen's name on it. However, he unvotes Risen, though Risen hadn't done much to respond to VE's bolded concerns above. VE then targets lurkers. Remember what he posted earlier about aiming for a scum lynch? Here it is, again. Apparently, they're on the radar again, and VE immediately votes for Jackal. Well, that's Switch #1. Switch #2 comes in his very next post, to Tunkeg (in the interests of consolidating). He even has a pre-emptive anti-bandwagoning warning in place, but there is absolutely no justification here. None at all. He then unvotes Tunkeg, again providing no reasoning. In the same post, despite pegging Hassy and Toad as scum with a great deal of conviction, he does Switch #3 and votes for Janaan, as a lurker. Despite saying that he wanted to lynch Hassy, he put his vote elsewhere, on another growing bandwagon, this time Janaan. VE was the 12th person to vote for Janaan. This is followed by quite a bit of pushing for Hassy, which VE even acknowledges is unlikely to swing enough votes onto Hassy in time. However, he does see this as an opportunity to commence with Switch #4, and place his vote on Hassy, encouraging all of the players to sheep with him and draw votes onto Hassy. Unsurprisingly, Switch #5 back onto Janaan follows after Hassy fails to gain more than a few votes. He defends this switch by claiming that he was okay with lynching Janaan as a lurker all along, again contradicting the policy in his very first post. Also note that the only post that refers to Janaan is the one that has Hassy and Toad in big red bold letters as scum, with barely any reasoning on Janaan. And that's that. I don't like what I see here. VE broke faith on two of his very first promises, giving up on the "atmosphere police" and waffling on his lurker lynching policies. He switched votes unusually frequently and (for the first three) without reason. His last vote switch would have achieved nothing but the threat of a no-lynch, and his attempts to defend his switch from and back to Janaan is unsupported by his actual posting patterns. VisceraEyes is scum. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On April 10 2012 13:18 VisceraEyes wrote: So where's your deal today sir? You haven't been in anyone's shit this game like you were in my shit in SoAF. Sup? Ah yes you're right, I certainly have never pressured or attacked anyone in the past several minutes. didn't push anyone D1 either | ||
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