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On April 04 2012 14:35 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:33 prplhz wrote:
Okay why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz? I say we all pull him.
I'm not opposed to killing Tobon either but I don't think he's as safe as Bluelightz and syllogism.
Of syllogism and Cephiro I'm up for killing syllogism first. I don't like the weird Cephiro-item plan, similar plan went horribly wrong yesterday and we don't know what other powers that scum might have. Lets just pull Bluelightz and push syllogism.
Other than that, I think that the lights-out scum ability was not only to cause chaos in conjunction with Bluelightz role (I imagine we could see the potentially booby trapped positions if there were lights?), but also to make risk.nuke's DT ability useless for today. I still believe in risk.nuke's role claim. How is Bluelightz confirmed scum?
I believe prplhz is referring to this:
On April 04 2012 03:01 prplhz wrote:
I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum. I didn't think so before the claim and his outbursts in face of the scrutiny he was under during his absence seem genuine and townlike. Furthermore, that claim doesn't do him any good since he's claiming a scum role, the only thing the claim actually does is make sure that he can never use his power without getting lynched so the claim makes little sense from scum perspective.
I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care.
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On April 04 2012 14:36 Tobon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Anyone have a problem with the push Cephiro, pull Tobon/Bluelightz plan? Pulling me is bad just from a practical standpoint. Thanks to my nemesis, I almost surely require more pulls than anyone else.
This sounds like fearmongering. Trying to convince us it's not worth our pulls to kill you rather than convincing us you're not scum. This is a scum tactic. Please don't use it if you're town.
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If Cephiro is really up for it (I'm not really as worried about losing him as I was about losing Palmar because he's really just a tunneling bastard  , then we could push him TO the item, then he could do his thing (I imagine it's some kind of place swapper?) and kill syllogism. Then we could use the rest of our pushes on Tobon and our pulls on Bluelightz. If anything is leftover, we do our best to kill Mr. Wiggles.
How about that?
@Cephiro Bluelightz is confirmed scum because he used his ability when it's a scum favored ability and he was told so in the thread by me and by layabout. He absolutely has to die.
The only reason to push you to kill syllogism instead of pushing syllogism to kill syllogism is that you will get the item. I don't like the plan though because in case scum has some hidden ability, like another nullified or something similar they can mess with us, maybe especially so now that the lights are out.
I want to kill syllogism and I'd rather push syllogism. The item isn't worth it like it wasn't worth it yesterday. I don't want to end up in a similar situation because we want some item.
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I actually think the darkness tends to make Blue look a bit more towny, in the same way that Palmar's nullification made him more towny. Scum acted to make his power useless.
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Ahh, I see, thanks for pointing that out. Especial thanks for pointing out yet another contradiction of prplhz. "I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum" --> "Why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz?"
And then his buddying on me. Is there any more confirmation I could ask for?
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On April 04 2012 14:40 prplhz wrote:If Cephiro is really up for it (I'm not really as worried about losing him as I was about losing Palmar because he's really just a tunneling bastard , then we could push him TO the item, then he could do his thing (I imagine it's some kind of place swapper?) and kill syllogism. Then we could use the rest of our pushes on Tobon and our pulls on Bluelightz. If anything is leftover, we do our best to kill Mr. Wiggles. How about that?
This sounds excellent.
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On April 04 2012 14:41 Cephiro wrote:
Ahh, I see, thanks for pointing that out. Especial thanks for pointing out yet another contradiction of prplhz. "I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum" --> "Why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz?"
And then his buddying on me. Is there any more confirmation I could ask for?
Did you not read the quote? He specifically said that the only reason he isn't scum is because he claimed an ability that only scum can use. The fact that he used his ability.....
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On April 04 2012 14:33 prplhz wrote:
Okay why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz? I say we all pull him.
I'm not opposed to killing Tobon either but I don't think he's as safe as Bluelightz and syllogism.
Of syllogism and Cephiro I'm up for killing syllogism first. I don't like the weird Cephiro-item plan, similar plan went horribly wrong yesterday and we don't know what other powers that scum might have. Lets just pull Bluelightz and push syllogism.
Other than that, I think that the lights-out scum ability was not only to cause chaos in conjunction with Bluelightz role (I imagine we could see the potentially booby trapped positions if there were lights?), but also to make risk.nuke's DT ability useless for today. I still believe in risk.nuke's role claim.
Explain why you're calling Bluelightz confirmed-scum? His role doesn't bode well for him, but Palmar had a role I thought might be in the hands of scum.
It certainly seems like you like playing with extremes this game. I certainly have no problem with killing Bluelightz, but from what I recall you defended him just in your previous post. Look:
On April 04 2012 03:01 prplhz wrote:
I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum. I didn't think so before the claim and his outbursts in face of the scrutiny he was under during his absence seem genuine and townlike. Furthermore, that claim doesn't do him any good since he's claiming a scum role, the only thing the claim actually does is make sure that he can never use his power without getting lynched so the claim makes little sense from scum perspective.
I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care.
What gives?
Indeed, early in the game when I asked you about Blue, you said this:
On April 02 2012 09:34 prplhz wrote:
I didn't say that Tobon is better than Bluelightz. He is though, don't you agree? Or am I never going to get any answer out of you? Hopefully they'll both come into this thread and we can get a better look at them. Right now, Tobon looks more careful than Bluelightz, who is very clearly trolling.
You look scummier by the minute, prpl.
In addition you were pretty much defending syllogism yesterday and now all of a sudden you want to kill him. Why the change of heart? You wanted to kill Cephiro over syllo yesterday; now you want to kill syllo. Surely, you can change your mind, but this seems like a very calculated and spur of the moment move.
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On April 04 2012 14:39 Snarfs wrote:
This sounds like fearmongering. Trying to convince us it's not worth our pulls to kill you rather than convincing us you're not scum. This is a scum tactic. Please don't use it if you're town.
Fairly sure he means it in a pro-town way, as Nemesis pushed him a whole 3 spots upwards (which could be much more due to stacking.) That means he'd be much easier killed by feeding him to the flames, I am fairly sure his suggestion of how to kill him if you decide to do so is pro-town. 
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EBWOP: Sorry for bad pronoun use. Try this:
Did you not read the quote? Prplhz specifically said that the only reason Bluelightz isn't scum is because Bluelightz claimed an ability that only scum can use. The fact that Bluelightz used his ability.....
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On April 04 2012 14:43 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:39 Snarfs wrote:
This sounds like fearmongering. Trying to convince us it's not worth our pulls to kill you rather than convincing us you're not scum. This is a scum tactic. Please don't use it if you're town.
Fairly sure he means it in a pro-town way, as Nemesis pushed him a whole 3 spots upwards (which could be much more due to stacking.) That means he'd be much easier killed by feeding him to the flames, I am fairly sure his suggestion of how to kill him if you decide to do so is pro-town.
I suppose he could be telling us to push him rather than pull him .
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On April 04 2012 14:39 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:36 Tobon wrote:On April 04 2012 14:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Anyone have a problem with the push Cephiro, pull Tobon/Bluelightz plan? Pulling me is bad just from a practical standpoint. Thanks to my nemesis, I almost surely require more pulls than anyone else. This sounds like fearmongering. Trying to convince us it's not worth our pulls to kill you rather than convincing us you're not scum. This is a scum tactic. Please don't use it if you're town.
It isn't fearmongering, it is merely logic.
As far as I can see, there hasn't actually been a case made that I'm scum. (Besides Nemesis's tunneling that I answered yesterday). If I had something to answer, I'd answer it. Meanwhile, I'm helping town however I can.
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On April 04 2012 14:45 Tobon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:39 Snarfs wrote:On April 04 2012 14:36 Tobon wrote:On April 04 2012 14:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Anyone have a problem with the push Cephiro, pull Tobon/Bluelightz plan? Pulling me is bad just from a practical standpoint. Thanks to my nemesis, I almost surely require more pulls than anyone else. This sounds like fearmongering. Trying to convince us it's not worth our pulls to kill you rather than convincing us you're not scum. This is a scum tactic. Please don't use it if you're town. It isn't fearmongering, it is merely logic. As far as I can see, there hasn't actually been a case made that I'm scum. (Besides Nemesis's tunneling that I answered yesterday). If I had something to answer, I'd answer it. Meanwhile, I'm helping town however I can.
Yes, it's logical, but as a response to someone's intent to kill you it just seemed out of place. That is all.
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On April 04 2012 14:15 Tobon wrote:
If someone gets to the Item Box, are we informed publicly, or does only that toy get told?
Only if it is the Refresher Orb
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On April 04 2012 14:43 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:33 prplhz wrote:
Okay why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz? I say we all pull him.
I'm not opposed to killing Tobon either but I don't think he's as safe as Bluelightz and syllogism.
Of syllogism and Cephiro I'm up for killing syllogism first. I don't like the weird Cephiro-item plan, similar plan went horribly wrong yesterday and we don't know what other powers that scum might have. Lets just pull Bluelightz and push syllogism.
Other than that, I think that the lights-out scum ability was not only to cause chaos in conjunction with Bluelightz role (I imagine we could see the potentially booby trapped positions if there were lights?), but also to make risk.nuke's DT ability useless for today. I still believe in risk.nuke's role claim. Explain why you're calling Bluelightz confirmed-scum? His role doesn't bode well for him, but Palmar had a role I thought might be in the hands of scum. It certainly seems like you like playing with extremes this game. I certainly have no problem with killing Bluelightz, but from what I recall you defended him just in your previous post. Look: Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 03:01 prplhz wrote:
I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum. I didn't think so before the claim and his outbursts in face of the scrutiny he was under during his absence seem genuine and townlike. Furthermore, that claim doesn't do him any good since he's claiming a scum role, the only thing the claim actually does is make sure that he can never use his power without getting lynched so the claim makes little sense from scum perspective.
I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care. What gives? Indeed, early in the game when I asked you about Blue, you said this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 09:34 prplhz wrote:
I didn't say that Tobon is better than Bluelightz. He is though, don't you agree? Or am I never going to get any answer out of you? Hopefully they'll both come into this thread and we can get a better look at them. Right now, Tobon looks more careful than Bluelightz, who is very clearly trolling.
You look scummier by the minute, prpl. In addition you were pretty much defending syllogism yesterday and now all of a sudden you want to kill him. Why the change of heart? You wanted to kill Cephiro over syllo yesterday; now you want to kill syllo. Surely, you can change your mind, but this seems like a very calculated and spur of the moment move.
I already explained why I'm calling Bluelightz confirmed scum. It's not because of his role, that doesn't mean anything about his alignment. It's because he used a scum favored role. If town had that role they would just not use it but he chose to use it so he is scum. Both layabout and I warned him about it when he claimed yesterday.
His first posts looked very trollish to me and I don't think that scum would put their ass on the line like that. With him using his scum favored role when he's been asked not to, I would want to lynch him almost no matter what other indication there was about his alignment.
I was defending syllogism yesterday because I'd much rather kill Sbrubbles. I wanted to kill Cephiro over syllogism some part of yesterday but I changed my mind and I'm pretty sure that is reflected in my posts too (I think I called Cephiro town at some point).
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On April 04 2012 14:40 prplhz wrote:If Cephiro is really up for it (I'm not really as worried about losing him as I was about losing Palmar because he's really just a tunneling bastard , then we could push him TO the item, then he could do his thing (I imagine it's some kind of place swapper?) and kill syllogism. Then we could use the rest of our pushes on Tobon and our pulls on Bluelightz. If anything is leftover, we do our best to kill Mr. Wiggles. How about that?
@Cephiro Bluelightz is confirmed scum because he used his ability when it's a scum favored ability and he was told so in the thread by me and by layabout. He absolutely has to die. The only reason to push you to kill syllogism instead of pushing syllogism to kill syllogism is that you will get the item. I don't like the plan though because in case scum has some hidden ability, like another nullified or something similar they can mess with us, maybe especially so now that the lights are out. I want to kill syllogism and I'd rather push syllogism. The item isn't worth it like it wasn't worth it yesterday. I don't want to end up in a similar situation because we want some item.
Yeah, of course you're not worried about losing me, you'd just be delighted if that happened, one less person that knows you are scum. If you check my posting, you can clearly see I do not tunnel, but I have my reasons to believe and know that you & syllo are both scum. Why would I let you off the hook for something I know?
PS: Your imagination couldn't be more wrong. But I shall reveal no more details, although I am fairly sure you aren't able to stop me.
Why do you rather push me to kill syllo, just for the item? When in your opinion it's not worth it. Also as I said before, I do not need to be rescued.
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On April 04 2012 14:48 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 04 2012 14:33 prplhz wrote:
Okay why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz? I say we all pull him.
I'm not opposed to killing Tobon either but I don't think he's as safe as Bluelightz and syllogism.
Of syllogism and Cephiro I'm up for killing syllogism first. I don't like the weird Cephiro-item plan, similar plan went horribly wrong yesterday and we don't know what other powers that scum might have. Lets just pull Bluelightz and push syllogism.
Other than that, I think that the lights-out scum ability was not only to cause chaos in conjunction with Bluelightz role (I imagine we could see the potentially booby trapped positions if there were lights?), but also to make risk.nuke's DT ability useless for today. I still believe in risk.nuke's role claim. Explain why you're calling Bluelightz confirmed-scum? His role doesn't bode well for him, but Palmar had a role I thought might be in the hands of scum. It certainly seems like you like playing with extremes this game. I certainly have no problem with killing Bluelightz, but from what I recall you defended him just in your previous post. Look: On April 04 2012 03:01 prplhz wrote:
I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum. I didn't think so before the claim and his outbursts in face of the scrutiny he was under during his absence seem genuine and townlike. Furthermore, that claim doesn't do him any good since he's claiming a scum role, the only thing the claim actually does is make sure that he can never use his power without getting lynched so the claim makes little sense from scum perspective.
I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care. What gives? Indeed, early in the game when I asked you about Blue, you said this: On April 02 2012 09:34 prplhz wrote:
I didn't say that Tobon is better than Bluelightz. He is though, don't you agree? Or am I never going to get any answer out of you? Hopefully they'll both come into this thread and we can get a better look at them. Right now, Tobon looks more careful than Bluelightz, who is very clearly trolling.
You look scummier by the minute, prpl. In addition you were pretty much defending syllogism yesterday and now all of a sudden you want to kill him. Why the change of heart? You wanted to kill Cephiro over syllo yesterday; now you want to kill syllo. Surely, you can change your mind, but this seems like a very calculated and spur of the moment move. I already explained why I'm calling Bluelightz confirmed scum. It's not because of his role, that doesn't mean anything about his alignment. It's because he used a scum favored role. If town had that role they would just not use it but he chose to use it so he is scum. Both layabout and I warned him about it when he claimed yesterday. His first posts looked very trollish to me and I don't think that scum would put their ass on the line like that. With him using his scum favored role when he's been asked not to, I would want to lynch him almost no matter what other indication there was about his alignment. I was defending syllogism yesterday because I'd much rather kill Sbrubbles. I wanted to kill Cephiro over syllogism some part of yesterday but I changed my mind and I'm pretty sure that is reflected in my posts too (I think I called Cephiro town at some point).
Fair enough. I agree with your reasoning about why we should be killing Bluelightz.
So, without further ado:
##pull Bluelightz
Let's pull this mofo off the board.
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On April 04 2012 14:49 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 14:40 prplhz wrote:If Cephiro is really up for it (I'm not really as worried about losing him as I was about losing Palmar because he's really just a tunneling bastard , then we could push him TO the item, then he could do his thing (I imagine it's some kind of place swapper?) and kill syllogism. Then we could use the rest of our pushes on Tobon and our pulls on Bluelightz. If anything is leftover, we do our best to kill Mr. Wiggles. How about that?
@Cephiro Bluelightz is confirmed scum because he used his ability when it's a scum favored ability and he was told so in the thread by me and by layabout. He absolutely has to die. The only reason to push you to kill syllogism instead of pushing syllogism to kill syllogism is that you will get the item. I don't like the plan though because in case scum has some hidden ability, like another nullified or something similar they can mess with us, maybe especially so now that the lights are out. I want to kill syllogism and I'd rather push syllogism. The item isn't worth it like it wasn't worth it yesterday. I don't want to end up in a similar situation because we want some item. Yeah, of course you're not worried about losing me, you'd just be delighted if that happened, one less person that knows you are scum. If you check my posting, you can clearly see I do not tunnel, but I have my reasons to believe and know that you & syllo are both scum. Why would I let you off the hook for something I know?
Cephiro, do you actually know something here? You use that word a lot.
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Fuck yeah.
##Pull Bluelightz
Cephiro, yes, you are tunneling. I don't really care if you're tunneling town (me) or scum (syllogism), it's still annoying for town and I'm not really worried about scum using a power to get you killed.
If you look at my earlier post I clearly state that I'd rather push syllogism, I'm just saying that if everybody is hooked on the idea of pushing you then that's also okay with me. If you are somehow going to WIFOM yourself into wanting to push syllogism instead of yourself then that's cool with me because that's what I wanted in the first place.
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