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On April 04 2012 14:35 Cephiro wrote:


How is Bluelightz confirmed scum?

On April 04 2012 03:01 prplhz wrote:
I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum. I didn't think so before the claim and his outbursts in face of the scrutiny he was under during his absence seem genuine and townlike. Furthermore, that claim doesn't do him any good since he's claiming a scum role, the only thing the claim actually does is make sure that he can never use his power without getting lynched so the claim makes little sense from scum perspective.

I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care.

On April 04 2012 14:36 Tobon wrote:

Pulling me is bad just from a practical standpoint. Thanks to my nemesis, I almost surely require more pulls than anyone else.

On April 04 2012 14:40 prplhz wrote:
If Cephiro is really up for it (I'm not really as worried about losing him as I was about losing Palmar because he's really just a tunneling bastard , then we could push him TO the item, then he could do his thing (I imagine it's some kind of place swapper?) and kill syllogism. Then we could use the rest of our pushes on Tobon and our pulls on Bluelightz. If anything is leftover, we do our best to kill Mr. Wiggles.

How about that?

On April 04 2012 14:41 Cephiro wrote:
Ahh, I see, thanks for pointing that out. Especial thanks for pointing out yet another contradiction of prplhz. "I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum" --> "Why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz?"

And then his buddying on me. Is there any more confirmation I could ask for?

On April 04 2012 14:43 Cephiro wrote:


Fairly sure he means it in a pro-town way, as Nemesis pushed him a whole 3 spots upwards (which could be much more due to stacking.) That means he'd be much easier killed by feeding him to the flames, I am fairly sure his suggestion of how to kill him if you decide to do so is pro-town.

On April 04 2012 14:45 Tobon wrote:

It isn't fearmongering, it is merely logic.

As far as I can see, there hasn't actually been a case made that I'm scum. (Besides Nemesis's tunneling that I answered yesterday). If I had something to answer, I'd answer it. Meanwhile, I'm helping town however I can.

On April 04 2012 14:49 Cephiro wrote:


Yeah, of course you're not worried about losing me, you'd just be delighted if that happened, one less person that knows you are scum. If you check my posting, you can clearly see I do not tunnel, but I have my reasons to believe and know that you & syllo are both scum. Why would I let you off the hook for something I know?

On April 05 2012 01:45 Cephiro wrote:


This is true, but it is modconfirmed that it is on one of the positions 2, 13 or 24. It is possible that 13 is unsafe, Blue is scum and is claiming it as safe, but at the moment I don't see that likely enough. If that's the case however, we should know by the day's end.

On April 05 2012 02:14 wherebugsgo wrote:


It's in the daypost iirc

Additional Announcements
There are 3 booby trapped queue positions. 1 of these is legit. At the end of the day, any Toy standing on the legit position will fall through and die.

On April 05 2012 02:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
Snarfs who would you most like to kill today?

Is there anyone outside of Bluelightz and Cephiro/syllo you find suspicious? Please explain your reads.

On April 05 2012 02:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yeah, he's chosen to ignore my request for reads and he's flip flopped about Bluelightz as well.

You've already pulled Bluelightz, correct? Would you rather push Cephiro or Tobon?

I think we need to get town on the same page here relatively quickly. The only person I'm waiting to hear from is layabout; if he gives a solid opinion that's in agreement with what I currently think is true then we're probably on the right track.

On April 05 2012 02:37 Cephiro wrote:
wbg: Wiggles has a relatively short filter, but what I can make of it, he doesn't show much actions that would make me lean scum on him. His play however has so far been very careful, and he hasn't taken an active stance of pressuring scum. So far he is null to me, but I expect him to start pressuring the people he suspects, as he will not get scum killed by quietly humming aside and agreeing, while asking for pieces of information.

On April 05 2012 02:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
What I can't reconcile though is that rarely are scum so in-your-face as Cephiro is, and if they are they usually cause a lot of disruption. Cephiro doesn't seem to be trolling us or trying to cause disruption, and it's no secret there is a scum between him, syllo, and risk. In addition he has pointed out a couple of things that I don't think scum would have pointed out. It's true that he could be scum, and if he is, he's been playing very well so far.

The thing though is, IF he's scum, this is a very risky proposition for him, because it ensures he dies after syllo flips town. You agree with that? Now my question is, why would scum put themselves at such great risk just to trade 1 for 1 with someone else?

Worst IMO is that two of them die and flip town.

What's stopping me from pushing Cephiro is that the possibility of him having a scum role that benefits from this still exists. Based on the knowledge we have (which isn't much) it is a better proposition to simply straight up kill syllo, because we have no clue what pushing Cephiro will do. however the pushing of syllo relies on the assumption that syllo is scum, which makes Cephiro far more likely to be town. So in that case we should consider Cephiro is actually telling the truth and push him anyway. in other words, since the basic assumption is the same, it may be better to just push Cephiro after all.

On April 05 2012 02:47 Tobon wrote:
Worst thing town can do today is split up PoPs and not lynch any potential scum. Which is why people should pull Bluelightz.

On April 05 2012 02:56 Tobon wrote:


Already did, here: link