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On March 27 2012 03:47 MrZentor wrote:Alderan, could you please answer this. Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 10:19 MrZentor wrote:On March 26 2012 09:47 Alderan wrote:
Been running around like a chicken with my head cut off today with work.
I have a couple more hours to tie up some loose ends and I'll catch up on the past 5 pages. I think you're scum. How do you feel about that?
you have to be joking
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On March 27 2012 03:50 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 03:26 Mattchew wrote:On March 27 2012 03:04 Zealos wrote:Aha, this is where it gets good, and if you'd had read the thread properly, you'd see I had pretty sound reasoning for this:
On March 24 2012 07:25 Risen wrote:On March 24 2012 07:21 Acrofales wrote:On March 24 2012 07:15 GreYMisT wrote:On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote:
Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not.
I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway?
Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him. You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you. Don't read shit into it that's not there. I don't want to policy-lynch, I want to lynch Mattchew, but that is clearly not going to happen. Rather than wasting my vote there and having whoever the fuck wants switch at the last second to mislynch a useful townie, I'd rather policy-lynch a lurker or someone who's going to get modkilled. I chose the modkilled. Now stop confusing shit more than it is already and consolidate your own vote somewhere useful, or make a better case against Oberyn, because so far it has been: he's useless. He is a lot LESS useless than Evantrees or Nicolas, so if that's your criteria, your vote's in the wrong place. I'm almost positive Acro is scum, and Mattchew needs to be checked tonight. VOTE ACROFALES On March 23 2012 23:08 Risen wrote:On March 23 2012 21:11 Mattchew wrote:
lol coming from littlefinger i dont suspect it will hold much weight Unfortunately it does not, we don't know his sanity. If someone were to check you tonight and confirm then maybe it would. Why on earth if he said this, and he was DT, didn't he check Mattchew last night? It makes no sense whatsoever, instead he claims he checked Acro, and backed up his argument by saying he thought a rolechecker should check Mattchew (derp) Once again, if you are DT and you think someone is scum you check them. You always confirm them. He could have checked me the next night. -You're argument "He did the wrong thing" On March 26 2012 07:32 chaoser wrote:
Not to mention even if there was a rolechecker it is a flawed argument, as summed up here by chaoser:
This isn't a good excuse even IF rolechecker WAS a role. Why would you take a risk and depend on someone else to do your job? Why not do it yourself? That doesn't even make any sense. That's like saying, I want to check this guy, but oh well, I won't. I'll check this other guy that I already am sure is mafia and hope that 1) someone else checks the guy I want to know about and 2) they then out themselves somehow to give us that information. WTF?
##vote: risen Most of this argument is explained in easy to understand terms by WBG: On March 26 2012 06:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 26 2012 06:34 Risen wrote:
I'm done for a while. Can't keep arguing in circles. I think my logic is clear, you don't. It's over. herp derp I wanted a rolechecker to check Mattchew herp derp without even checking that there was a rolechecker herp derp my logic makes sense no matter what you say herp derp despite the fact that you just showed it's complete shit herp derp herp Sounds more like, "before I had the foresight to plan a DT claim I tried directing DTs into Mattchew and now I'm grasping at straws trying to make the statement make sense in retrospect" The rolechecker thing is the only thing I don't understand. The desperation of explaining himself is a little scummy. Also, for giggles On March 22 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote:
On the topic of Wherebugsgo, I'd love to completely ignore him if possible, though I doubt that will end up happening.... On top of which, he completely avoids answering my direct question: On March 26 2012 06:12 Zealos wrote:
Even if you flipped DT, there is no reason that puts me into a scum position. You are just using threats as an attempt to stop me from pressing my case. Give us a good reason to believe you're DT, before I roleclaim as Godfather and claim you're one of my mafia buddies, as your reasoning is that roleclaims are always truthful. Not to mention calling me and others scum with very very little to no evidence to back up his claims: On March 26 2012 05:29 Risen wrote:On March 26 2012 05:21 Zealos wrote:
Risen first, when he inevitably flips vanilla scum we can move on. EBWOP: And he solidifies his "really dumb townie" position well here (If I didn't make it clear in my previous post I think he's scum, I think Mattchew is scum, and I think Greymist is scum). He'll OMGUS me once I'm lynched and be in the clear. He deserves looking into tonight, imo. The only argument he's made against anyone is the whole "I'm DT, lynch Acro" Doesn't this smack you as mindbogglingly stupid? Risen is the lynch we should make today, with absolutely no exceptions, he is super scummy.This all reads "I'm mad." It all it reads is "I'm mad" then you clearly need to read better. What reasoning do we have to believe he is DT?
i like how you take 1 line out of the post and only respond to that in a trivial way. If you have a town read on someone (as i did/kinda do) and they claim something, I believe them until counterclaimed or proven wrong. The only reason I am voting risen is because he is slightly more scummy than acro to me.
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On March 27 2012 03:54 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 03:34 Mattchew wrote:On March 27 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2012 02:27 Mattchew wrote:On March 27 2012 01:36 Acrofales wrote:
GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that?
Remember when i did this to you and you called me scum? atleast mine was early day 1 Yeah, I overreacted. Overall that seems to be the only part of day 1 where any useful information was gathered at all, with people like MrZentor, Zealos and SLJ chipping in to have their say. Another difference is that Gumshoe is currently my second-most-favourite lynch after Risen. It'd be great to get more information for the day 3 lynch. Just to be clear, you're still not off the hook and I find your reasoning today exceedingly suspicious. I just think there are better targets to focus on for the moment. Even so, it can't really hurt to show how your reasoning is just really suspicious. At the very least it'll further the discussion and allow me to decide whether you're actually scum or not. Your reasoning is pretty much explained here: On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?
for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"
2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.
If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day
I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first You seem to have the four cases pretty clear. However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence. I haven't seen anybody make a case against me lately. The only evidence being taken into account seems to be Risen's DT check. Apparently, for you, a DT claim is automatically enough reason to disregard all other posts by said person, OR the one he claims on, and say that he should not be lynched because he DT claimed. Wow, if I ever play a mobster I will keep that in mind! Now lets look at the rest of the evidence: RisenRisen has been playing exceedingly erratically. I initially had a town read on him (as you can see if you go through my posts), although I found his analysis exceedingly weak (once again, in my posts). He then suddenly panicked at WBG's supposed kill power + Show Spoiler [pointless WBG speculation] +Littlefinger does not like to get his own hands dirty and a kill power does not fit the lore at all. . Given his insistance that I was scum from almost the start of the game, this caused me to post the pages of refutals of his analysis, as I thought he had been crumbing vigilante, not DT. At this point I still believed him, although I was both angry enough and thought he was playing terribly enough that I should vote for him on basic principle (also in my night posts). The next morning he roleclaimed DT in an exceedingly vague and dumb manner. He claimed DT without stating his actual role name, he never crumbed DT OR his rolename beforehand and he completely ignored any possibility of me being framed or a miller and continued throughout the morning to ignore any such possibilities. In addition to his ballsup of a DT claim, his only somewhat useful contribution to this game has been to spam a full page of really bad analysis. AcroI am awesome and a contributing townie. Someone should make a proper case against me if they have one that is not based on all this WIFOM around Risen's DT check. Now, given the evidence, we have to consider PROBABILITIES of each of the four cases and then things change drastically. We can lynch me, confirmed townie, based on a somewhat decent plot by a scumster (or, I'll grant him the inkling of doubt I don't really have: an incredibly shitty DT). Or we can lynch a mobster (with a tiny tiny chance that he is actually an incredibly shitty DT). And that is why I think your reasoning is suspect. If there was no prior knowledge then you would be right, but you are reasoning as if the DT check is the only information you have. To be completely honest, I have no clue what way you lean at the moment. Day 1 I could've sworn you were scum. Night 1 you seemed to be playing townie and Day 2 you're back to looking scummy. I can't read you at the moment, but given that I have two reads I am far more confident in I don't mind too much. If both Risen and Gumshoe flip red, then I am quite sure you are too. "However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence." I am. If asked before all this shit, I would have said that I have a town read on both of you. After this shit, I still see no case against either of you that holds any weight, however it does appear to me as if 1 of you is scum and 1 of you is town. That is why my logic has no outside factors involved with the decision making process. In that case you should be finding scum and building a case, not sheepling onto Risen. This is beyond stupid.
As I have said before, again and again, I believe this is a 1 for 1 situation which is good for town. I am not sheeping anyone
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Ald please answer
On March 27 2012 03:36 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 03:30 Alderan wrote:On March 27 2012 03:16 Mattchew wrote:On March 27 2012 03:05 Alderan wrote:
@Mattchew- You seem to think that Risen my actually be DT. Is that accurate, and if so who would you rather vote for? Currently your vote is still on Risen...
If risen is detective, he is either dead or roleblocked tonight anyway. My hope is that we can actually get a 1 for 1 out of this situation, and the only way to do this is flip both risen and acro. Right now im voting Risen because I don't want any scum picked candidate being lynched. Ok that makes sense, I must have missed where that was being discussed. The only wrench in that plan is if he flips vanilla townie, but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Where the fuck have gumshoe and lyter been? Ald with this post I would lynch you off meta in a heartbeat. You are blending in being agreeable but looking like you are helping to create content just like the last time we played together. I think that you are a better scum hunter then what you have shown thus far. Who are your scum reads (outside the risen/acro debacle) and why?
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On March 27 2012 09:09 Alderan wrote:No thoughts on OriginalName/Jitsu?
nope ill let jitsu read.
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remember that time.... oh wait
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On March 27 2012 09:22 Lyter wrote:
Ah, a little too late lol, eyes on Acro I guess
and you
and xatalos.
and idk
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i'll be posting all my reads right before deadline
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On March 27 2012 19:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 18:40 risk.nuke wrote:
We don't need a case, we got a redcheck. Acro. Sit down shut up.
Mods can we have a 24 hour day today if town agrees on it? There won't be or well you don't know with the ratio of morons in this city but there shouldn't be much confusion about who we're lynching. So let me get this straight. You are advocating a policy of lynching anybody who has a confirmed red check, regardless of ANY other evidence?
The other evidence is a confirmed DT doing that confirmed red check.
And yes. when you have confirmed red check thats all the evidence you need. sucks if your a miller
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On March 27 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:
I'm a bit curious about his breadcrumbs though... Is he preparing for a roleclaim later? Like MrZentor did with his "code"? If worse comes to worst, we might lose another blue this way... I'd say shooting him is still a good bet though, or we might waste day 3 completely AND end up using the lynch on Acrofales anyway.
Oh so you want to out more blues?
Cool. Thanks for claiming scum in thread
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On March 27 2012 21:36 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 20:17 Mattchew wrote:On March 27 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:
I'm a bit curious about his breadcrumbs though... Is he preparing for a roleclaim later? Like MrZentor did with his "code"? If worse comes to worst, we might lose another blue this way... I'd say shooting him is still a good bet though, or we might waste day 3 completely AND end up using the lynch on Acrofales anyway. Oh so you want to out more blues? Cool. Thanks for claiming scum in thread Could you make an actual case against me instead of throwing a one liner at me every time I say something? The way I see it, you just panicked after I made my initial lynch vote for you and started throwing baseless one liners at me to somehow make yourself look "less suspicious" by making me look "more suspicious". All this seems like a scared counter-pressure to shift the attention away from yourself. Frankly, I can't think of a reason why a townie would be tunneling so hard on me after I merely made an analytic decision to vote for you (although I switched to gumshoe after I saw his newer posts). The only conclusion I can think of is that you are a Mafia player trying to get me lynched (not very skillfully, I might add), only because I suspected you. I see you made some sort of a "case" against me right after I voted for you, which revolved around me being a bit unsure on who to lynch. This is my first game game of Mafia (in a forum), so of course I wouldn't be 100% confident and decisive in my first posts, but I've been trying to improve and I think I'm a lot more confident in my skills now (there aren't many veterans here either, so it's not really necessary to trust other people's opinions...). And what of it if I use smilies every now and then?  Please, make a good case against me or stop that useless spam!
Trust me I couldn't be any less scared of being mislynched by you.
I will have a bigger post at deadline as promised. Till then I plan on answering posts as if I were in conversation with people
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gumshoe and evantrees are probably town. Acro why so scared to call out lyter? he's lurked harder than anyone (overall) and ninja voted risen.
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Gumshoe posted freely and his posts do not read as calculated/afraid of criticism. Evantrees mostly because he didn't vote Risen. I actually re-read his filter and thought there was more but he does talk about setup a large % of his very few posts so idk. I think he might just straight up not care or he could be scum. Either way there are way better lynch targets for after you than him.
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On March 27 2012 16:28 Zealos wrote:
What the, how does this even :X
Well, I guess we've gotta be very suspicious of Acro at this point.
@Mattchew Considering the town's activeness, it's better you post it sooner rather than later. Posting reads right before deadline means some people won't see it on time + Limits discussion.
Missed this piece of shit post.
i am posting it before a night deadline... giving people 48 hours to read and discuss.
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On March 28 2012 02:04 Alderan wrote:
The way I see it we have to play the probabilities here, and the highest probability is that Acrofales is scum. I'd love for him to get hit tonight so we can focus on others all day tomorrow, but that's out of my hands.
Acrofales, the only thing you have offered that we do is to lynch lurkers.....
Would you honestly do that if you were in our position?
What do you think of lyter, xatalos, zealos and evantrees
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On March 28 2012 02:13 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 01:59 Mattchew wrote:On March 27 2012 16:28 Zealos wrote:
What the, how does this even :X
Well, I guess we've gotta be very suspicious of Acro at this point.
@Mattchew Considering the town's activeness, it's better you post it sooner rather than later. Posting reads right before deadline means some people won't see it on time + Limits discussion. Missed this piece of shit post. i am posting it before a night deadline... giving people 48 hours to read and discuss. Calling it a shit post is just another poor attempt of yours to cause problems within the town? But fair enough, I thought you meant right before the post deadline :3
I could not care less about causing "problems within the town" I want to find scum and thats it.
Who do you think outside of Acro is scum?
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On March 28 2012 02:48 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 02:08 Mattchew wrote:On March 28 2012 02:04 Alderan wrote:
The way I see it we have to play the probabilities here, and the highest probability is that Acrofales is scum. I'd love for him to get hit tonight so we can focus on others all day tomorrow, but that's out of my hands.
Acrofales, the only thing you have offered that we do is to lynch lurkers.....
Would you honestly do that if you were in our position? What do you think of lyter, xatalos, zealos and evantrees Lyter and Evantrees are lurking hard. Lyter is providing some good commentary when he actually posts, but it's never original ideas, all just regurgitated from earlier in the thread. Evantrees is just lurking. No really commentary. Kind of just strikes me as someone that doesn't really want to play. If I had to pick a scum out of the two I'd pick Lyter. I think when he posts he's trying to mess up. I don't get that feeling from Evantrees. As for Xatalos: I'm glad you pointed me to his filter, I had not focused on it as much as I should. Let me pull out some gems. Show nested quote +If Risen actually is a Detective, he hasn't done a very good job at playing his role... He has created a ton of spam and confusion, undermined the birth of useful discussion, and made us talk about only himself and Acrofales for countless pages. All this seems like Mafia play, although I don't understand why he wants to get himself killed, regardless of his alignment (and him being Detective doesn't even prove that Acrofales is Mafia, so what's the point?). All I can think of is that he is A) a really anti-town Detective or B) a really reckless Mafia player. I'm not a fan of posts like this. It's kind of like covering your tracks. Scum knows the alignment of everyone, so they'll make posts like this so they can say "hmm I suspected that might be the case" and gain some credibility. Show nested quote +MrZentor already had a good take on DoYouHas earlier: most likely he was killed because of his focus on Alderan or risk.nuke (probably not both, but you never know). He was also quite calm and analytic, which is bad news for Mafia, so it's not 100% certain that Alderan or risk.nuke is Mafia. Still, I would keep a close eye on these two. Posts like this are exceedingly scummy as well, and not because I'm mentioned. He is attempting to create some kind of connection between me DYH and risk.nuke based on WIFOM. These types of bases-less connections can very easily mislead town. We've all seen it. He also makes a not that he's not 100% sure about it. You never want to make a really solid claim on someone as scum if they flip town, so he leaves it up for some ambivalence, like he did above. Show nested quote +If I had been the first voter, I would have probably voted for gumshoe... But then I saw that Risen had already gathered 5(?) votes with his anti-town behaviour, and since there was no chance to lynch gumshoe anymore (everyone seems to have written him off as a dumb townie or something) I thought that this was an okay lynch too - at least better than the previous lynch of layabout Risen has been creating chaos in the thread and prevented a lot of potentially useful discussion, so I find it a bit hard to believe he would actually be a Detective... But considering his overall lackluster reasoning, he might just be a REALLY bad Detective. Still, this isn't a bad lynch, although not initially my favorite lynch either (I still can't let gumshoe off my suspicions, at least until he has posted more and better). I'll have to go through every player's filter to make a rank order of their suspiciousness to make my life easier... That's weird? On Day 1 he had no problem voting for a throw away who wasn't getting lynched. But Day 2 he's all of a sudden against sheeping? He has a theory as to why the layabout lynch was bad but doesn't really go into why he doesn't find Greymist scummy, only has really softball interactions like: Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 06:17 Xatalos wrote:On March 25 2012 06:00 GreYMisT wrote:
I switched to gumshoe because I began to agree with the majority of people that his mistakes were not particularly malicious. in the end I agree that he posted things that were in fact too dumb to be mafia. While I dont normally agree with statements like that, I will be keeping a very close eye on him, and I expect his posting to improve. You mean *from* gumshoe..? I don't think his first posts were all that suspicious either (bad town/Mafia, hard to say), but don't you think his attitude towards the layabout lynch was suspicious? And if you actually think gumshoe is merely a dumb townie, who would you prefer to lynch? Oberyn? I don't still see how he's so suspicious (especially over people like gumshoe, Mattchew, etc.). and Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 06:28 Xatalos wrote:On March 25 2012 06:24 GreYMisT wrote:
yes i meant from gumshoe. I felt oberyn was suspicious yes, and was also suspicious of how all threats towards him simply dropped. It was not the same way with gumshoe. I think that was just because of his massive analysis post... Don't you think it was pretty townie? Who would you want to lynch, if not Oberyn? I've gotta run to class, will finish this in a couple hours, but tell me what you think. I'd like some feedback.
Theres my town alderan I know and love
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On March 28 2012 03:48 Curu wrote:
gumshoe has been warned for inactivity. Next time it happens he will be forcefully replaced or modkilled.
Has he responded to you outside of thread?
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