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Dirk Hardpec
United States73 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On March 18 2012 17:33 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Why are people giving me their votes? What is this... I don't even... | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On March 18 2012 17:33 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Why are people giving me their votes? I'd say it's probably due to your relatively short filter, and the fact that some people have identified your sole analysis post as being fluffy and generally unhelpful. In fact, you'd say that too if you read anyone's reason for voting you. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
Velinath continues to impress upon me he should be elected. I am also ok with lurkers being shot in the night. Just make sure you claim before you do so. On March 18 2012 17:51 Bluelightz wrote: Seriously Dirk, step up, like others said your analysis post is fluffy as derp and your not helping town in any way. This looks like buddying to me. Bluelightz or Dirk are a good lynch. I will keep my vote on Bluelightz for my reasons stated earlier. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
 it's amazing how easily he can start a bandwagon and no one questions it. His reasoning behind the Dirk lynch was that he only has one post and that he tried to blend in etc. is just....not right. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=25#498 here. I want you all to click on the link and look at the context. He actually made a point with his post. He contributed more with this post than some players in the game. What I am trying to say, is that this lynch, is a pretty random lurker lynch. We don't even know if foolishness is town. I know that everyone was like "Hey that guy is town, he speaks in riddles". Again, no reasoning. If this account had a different name, no one would be voting dirk right now and foolishness would be far from being confirmed. But I am tempted to see if he is right.... I still think draz is the right choice. And I'll sum up again why: a) 0% chance of town lynch b) items are (probably) claimed by town and not by scum tonight c) He already claimed an anti-town wincon and I don't even believe this one. (Balrog with item fetish, no) d) His anger core is fake, it would break the game (because it sticks around. I can only imagine that every time someone gets lynched he claims again core! Not starting about LYLO). There is no anger core. e) If he has a portal gun, he can protect himself (I still think by logic that this is a bus driver thing). alright. I don't have a reason to think foolishness is scum yet. But he hasn't provided a reason why he is town yet either. Don't just assume things and actually read stuff. Dirk is a coinflip at best. The "blend in"arguement is straight up wrong, looking at the context when the post is made. I still think Draz needs to die. No good will come frome him. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
If I am leading in votes by lynch time I will be passing the guns to someone I believe will screw the town the most When I flip I am going to laugh at you | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On March 18 2012 19:35 Drazerk wrote: JayJay - Anger core is used up on use If I am leading in votes by lynch time I will be passing the guns to someone I believe will screw the town the most When I flip I am going to laugh at you The united states of blzinghand does not negotiate with terrorists. ##Vote Drazerk | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On March 18 2012 19:35 Drazerk wrote: JayJay - Anger core is used up on use If I am leading in votes by lynch time I will be passing the guns to someone I believe will screw the town the most When I flip I am going to laugh at you Your threats show, how much of a liability to town you are. You are willing to screw town over just to fullfil your wincon. We can't leave you alive. Why would you laugh at me? I believe you are third and am completely willing to lynch you, even if everything you say is true. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 18 2012 19:46 Jayjay54 wrote: Your threats show, how much of a liability to town you are. You are willing to screw town over just to fullfil your wincon. We can't leave you alive. Why would you laugh at me? I believe you are third and am completely willing to lynch you, even if everything you say is true. I am only a threat to town if you are a threat to me. Leave me alone and we will be fine. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On March 18 2012 08:30 Blazinghand wrote: God, it's even in a post that's ABOUT SLEEPER CELL DUDES FINDING EACH OTHER. Are you even thinking here? His post is ABOUT SLEEPER CELL DUDES FINDING EACH OTHER. And he edited and BOLDFACED the word "link" in that sentence... like if you've been hearing some "whooshing" sounds that's the sound of my arguments going over your head. Uhhm, do you seriously believe zelblade tried to communicate with his buddies there? Do you even think zelblade could come up with such a plan in the first place? On March 18 2012 08:28 Blazinghand wrote: Only the cell leader sends messages... this is sleeper cell I style, not Sleeper Cell II style. The agents themselves can only recieve messages and try to encode things to eachother here in the thread. So? They still send messages to each other, I don't see what's your point there (other than discrediting me, something some players here have taken into a liking). On March 18 2012 10:06 Bluelightz wrote: From who ever asked this(sorry I forgot) : Bluelightz, can you please explain your behaviour? Which behaviour? If you say why I pressed sinani after I was going to oppose policies is because that I didnt have a more worthy Lynch target at the time. Right now, I am fine with a sinani or Dirk Hardpec lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=27#531 Please read the thread. People, the Dirk wagon is forming almost as easily as the Drazerk one. I haven't found A SINGLE player that opposed his lynch, like...not a single one. He may not have a lot of votes yet, but a lot of other people put their interest in getting him lynched as the "leader" of the scummy lurkers. As in, everybody says "We should lynch a lurker", and then immediately point out Dirk instead of others. That gives me bad vibes from this situation (i.e bandwagon on a townie). On March 18 2012 13:56 RayzorFlash wrote: Just got home, St. Patricks Day party!!! (Not drunk, no worries... Don't drink... lol) 1.I feel like Foolishness and blzinghand are both town, and it seems like the best options for lynching right now are Dirk and Draz. Dirk only has one post so far though, and I'd like to see some more from him before I decide to drop the hammer.... 2. I believed in Draz before, but I'm not so sure after the actions today. I think if we don't have a better target we should definitely lynch him since even if we believe his claim to be entirely accurate, he's still going to be hurting town, trying to get Gandalf (who is likely town) and trying to get items by killing people/stopping people from using items themselves. Also, imagine for one second if we had all 5 people send him items that he wanted, but Gandalf didn't die. What would stop scum from just killing him tonight and taking all those 5 items?? Mafia already now knows that Draz has a Portal Gun... If someone from Mafia needs it, they'll just kill him and we just gave it to them for free... Everyone else PLEASE think closely before giving items to Draz... To summarize, I think Draz's role can only hurt town in the long run because he a) will want Gandalf (town) dead and b) he just made himself a target for mafia, and wants town to help him become an even juicier target... Better to lynch him and have the items he has stay circulating within town (mostly, except for the scum that votes for his lynch) -------------------------------------------- 3.Now, on to Wheatley. Someone else brought up that Wheatley is likely to have his win condition change mid-way. I agree with that and I think we need to have a policy to kill Wheatley at some point in the game. Maybe by Day 4/Night 4. Even if Wheatley agrees to total transparency, when his win condition changes he will have to continue to play to win, even if it involves town losing. Thus, I agree that we need to give Wheatley to someone who will remain transparent, but isn't that experienced of a player to be super dangerous, and who we won't miss when we eventually kill him. Also someone who's town. I WANT to elect the two people I have the best town-read on (Foolishness and blzinghand) but they're both really strong and I think they'd be able to absolutely demolish town if they become third-party/mafia/their win condition changed... Sooo, yeah, I'm sticking with keeping my vote on Velinath... --------------------------------------------------- Other stuffs: - Kenpachi: I'll vote for GlaDOS if you give me your top three town and scum reads, with GOOD reasoning, not "because I said so" - Adam4167: You were really solid in AC... Who are your top town and scum reads so far?? 1. Apparently "town consensus" right now is to think Foolishness and Blazinghand are town (and have 2nd one get a lot of votes for election). It's also "town consensus" for the lynch to be either Dirk or Drazerk. I find you following this trend without any other justification very weird (i.e suspicious), even more with other players that did so as well (but meh, will get to them later when I get some sleep). 2. Nothing new said here, except for the "Mafia can kill him for his items". First, why is it bad for mafia to waste their shot on a 3rd party? Second, how can you say "No townie should give their items to Drazerk" and use it to justify "Drazerk should be lynched so mafia have no items when they kill him"? If no townie gives items to Drazerk, then he has no more items and is not a "juicy target". What does that have to do with his lynch? Why is that a reason for lynching him? It's something completely unrelated to his aligment and actions, you should want him lynched to "be safe". Also, wouldn't you think perhaps that maybe a vig could hit him as well, and he (which would be town) would get all those items and (ideally) help town with them? 3. I've said this before but apparently everybody loves to ignore me: THE WHEATLEY ROLE IS NOT GUARANTEED TO CHANGE HIS ALIGNMENT MID-GAME!! And seriously, there's almost absolutely NO reason to assume he will. No other previous game in the history of Mafia had a role like that (correct me if I'm wrong though). And this is only based on speculation about the Portal 2 game and it's story. Really people, this should have been ignored instantly, it should not have made people want to enforce a POLICY LYNCH on this elected role, that doesn't make sense. Oh yeah Razor, I don't like this post at all. Blatant sheeping on "town consensus" on points 1 and 3; and some pretty bad reasons for point 2. ##Vote: RayzorFlash (I guess EVERYBODY will bandwagon on Rayzor right now because he made only 2 posts, right?) P.S: People, please stop this useless speculation about how the Wheatley role will have his aligment changed mid-game; and about how zelblade is using an EBWOP and a typo fix to communicate with his Sleeper Agent buddies. Please people, I expect some of you to realize how bullshit that is. PRE-EDIT: THANK YOU JAYJAY. Finally someone making sense in this game. Sorry for shitting you up earlier, keep up the good work. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On March 18 2012 19:48 Drazerk wrote: I am only a threat to town if you are a threat to me. Leave me alone and we will be fine. thems terrorist words I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS to my fellow townies let me explain situation to you [spioler] ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kr4Bf.png) [bigAs we can clearly see, Drazerk is a terrorist, and he's trying to hold town hostage. Your hero is me, blzinghand!!!! Drazerk is like full of terrorising and only gets his power from making us fear. We mus tbe like spock and remove our minds from fear! DO not negotiate with terrorist lynch drazerk D1 or ther terrorists win | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On March 18 2012 19:53 gonzaw wrote: People, the Dirk wagon is forming almost as easily as the Drazerk one. I haven't found A SINGLE player that opposed his lynch, like...not a single one. He may not have a lot of votes yet, but a lot of other people put their interest in getting him lynched as the "leader" of the scummy lurkers. As in, everybody says "We should lynch a lurker", and then immediately point out Dirk instead of others. Why would you expect someone to oppose this lynch? With all of the different factions at work in this game, he may have no one coming to his aid (3rd party), his teammates may not know they're supposed to be aiding him (sleeper agent) and his team may just be abandoning him for being afk/lurking (mafia). When I read Dirk's post, I thought "Gee, he said a lot of words to say so little", and then on the next page, I see Foolishness making a similar argument. That does two things for me: a) tells me I'm probably on the right track and b) tells me that Foolishness is probably town, since I am town. I agree with you on RayzorFlash, but I question what is the point of this line: "(I guess EVERYBODY will bandwagon on Rayzor right now because he made only 2 posts, right?)" You've made a case against him. Its looks solid enough. Then you try to scare everyone away from agreeing with you by labelling anyone that votes Rayzorflash as a bandwagoner. Did you not want this case to pick up steam? Why make it then? I am genuinely confused as to what you are trying to accomplish. | ||
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Dirk Hardpec
United States73 Posts
On March 18 2012 19:58 Blazinghand wrote: thems terrorist words I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS to my fellow townies let me explain situation to you [spioler] [bigAs we can clearly see, Drazerk is a terrorist, and he's trying to hold town hostage. Your hero is me, blzinghand!!!! Drazerk is like full of terrorising and only gets his power from making us fear. We mus tbe like spock and remove our minds from fear! DO not negotiate with terrorist lynch drazerk D1 or ther terrorists win I agree with this guy lol. It's simple Drazerk is scum | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Drazerk is a safe lynch. Let's leave him alone for the time being, and focus on finding scum. I'm going to take a minute or two to read up and weigh in on a Dirk lynch. | ||
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