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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
i like kurumi dying. and i would like BM to die, as well as abenson and curu | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 16 2012 02:10 Palmar wrote: Bad sentence, sorry, second language etc. What I'm trying to say. Mattchew told me to just lynch you, and I was excited, because I love the idea of killing you. I can understand that. Alla Akbar and all that jazz. I now know why it's Jub Jub though. There's two of you. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 16 2012 01:59 Kurumi wrote: SOME information. That means one thing, two things, three things maybe not the exact setup! (unless You're scum and know more than me, of course, then please go ahead and tell us Your secrets.) You would have lynched me Day 1 if I said "Guys stop voting Jackal, I know there's Dreamflower present in the game and I trust him". Your cases are laughable and make no sense. I did everything I could to defend Jackal from getting lynched. It's not the first I've defended someone hard D1. My defence of Schworz was the same thing, I was 3rd party back then, but I would've done that no matter what. Guess what happened after my death? Lynching him decided the game. I wanted to look as traitor D1 to deny Mafia their guess on gaining 0.5KP. You picked up on this, but did nothing till Day 2. It makes no sense. It's obvious this lynch is scum driven. It's obvious they've tried to recruit me and it failed, so they now want to get a free lynch. I was hinting it was a plan. My role is weird. I know that. Curu himself said that the Dreamflower role is weird but remember: role is not equal to alignment! I wanted to play without lying. Figures, it would have been better if I claimed Detective and said I had a Town check on Jackal, right? My lynch is pathetic. There's only Jackal and Katina semi-defending me. Don't You think it's weird? Doesn't it ring some bells? I did not lie. But I guess.. it probably doesn't matter. Jackal, I hope Palmar isn't serious about this lynch thing... When is it possible for Mafia to use Hide Flip mechanic? Can they sacrifice their KP in advance to hide lynch flip?(Like, they use it on D2 and lose KP on N2?) Please answer no to the second one. If they hide this flip they won not only this cycle, but another one too. Why did you make up the dream? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On March 16 2012 02:27 layabout wrote: Can somebody be a dear an explain why they are so certain that Kurumi is mafia? Kurumi isn't mafia. He is not just speaking nonsense and flooding the thread even though his plan backfired and caused a major distraction. And in between all of the pokemon crap he was actively speaking his mind. You can tell he is not mafia becaunse his posting has been entirely consistent from day 1. He has not been flip flopping or doing any other tell-tale signs of mafia. His agenda from the start was purely in the town's interest. His posting through the game has also been genuine, especially around the time when he claimed his role. The fact that Kurumi is around defending himself and trying to help should be an indicator that he has the town's interest at heart. Look at how many people have said DrH is mafia. All he ever replies with is one liners and the occasional retard insult. We are wasting our time with him when there are other people that need to be heavily pressured. ##Vote DoctorHelvetica | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
Then, after he is voted because he said he is a passive information role, he says "Oh, I also have an activatable ability attached onto it, I just didn't want to tell anyone because it didn't seem important at the time." Especially since he first stated it was a passive role, and then switching to saying it had an activated mechanic too it. I can disregard the stuff early game - it could be true that he was baiting Mafia to guess Traitor on him, but it could also be possible that he really IS the traitor trying to get the mafia to recruit him. It's too much one way or another, but disregarding that, I think the fact that he kept adding elements to his role to appear as a blue isn't something an actual blue would do. Below is also the rest of the stuff that I have on Kurumi for this game. Overall Posting History this game: Trolling. Barely contributed Day 1, and only changed his behavior when he got some serious votes for him, where he started to stammer and mess up his gameplay a bit. Things including typing in another language, "Baiting mafia traitor guesses," and the like were detremental to the town. Analysis of Previous Game: Town Kurumi replaced into the game as a town player in Storm Mafia. While he died the day he replaced, he can in activley trying to contribute, at least it seemed to me. Completely different feel this game from him. @Jackal, you said that you though Kurumi was town because he came to you and said he knew Dreamflower was in the game because he was a "Dreamer." Do you think it would be possible that he knew that from the bit of information that the Mafia gets in the beginning, regarding blue roles? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
His "role" or defense of Jackal or w.e it is, is completely stupid. Him and Jackal have both caused chaos and shitfits for the past 3 days in the thread, and we need to move on past this. There is an extremely high chance of flipping scum and he is playing really badly. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 16 2012 03:07 Kurumi wrote: It is a passive role, the only "active" thing related to it is what I will try to dream about and I had no choice during N1. Post both dreams and an account of how and why you claimed. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Instead look at games like thishttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=2this54174&user=68386 and other games here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=mafia&t=c&f=-1&u=Kurumi&gb=date&d=&p=2 If you want to get an idea of his typical day 1 town play. You might want to take a look at his scum play too, and realise that this doesn't look much like it. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On March 16 2012 03:10 prplhz wrote: Post both dreams and an account of how and why you claimed. My first "dream" was info given to me at the start of the game saying that Dreamflower role is present in the game. The second dream I've posted already, it's indeed a dream and looks like a clue. I can't get much from it. I didn't want to post it so people would try to crack it, while I could dream about roles once more and get something better. I have claimed because I am the leading lynch candidate and I am Town so I want to avoid getting lynched obviously. "An account of how" what does it mean? Needs some help here. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On March 16 2012 03:17 layabout wrote: jitsu, since he replaced into storm on day 3 or 4, storm is perhaps not the best example of is town play. Instead look at games like thishttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=2this54174&user=68386 and other games here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=mafia&t=c&f=-1&u=Kurumi&gb=date&d=&p=2 If you want to get an idea of his typical day 1 town play. You might want to take a look at his scum play too, and realise that this doesn't look much like it. You forgot this great game Rolling Vet is so cool in a PM game. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Can you copy paste both dreams again, just for my convenience? | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On March 16 2012 03:17 layabout wrote: jitsu, since he replaced into storm on day 3 or 4, storm is perhaps not the best example of is town play. Instead look at games like thishttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=2this54174&user=68386 and other games here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=mafia&t=c&f=-1&u=Kurumi&gb=date&d=&p=2 If you want to get an idea of his typical day 1 town play. You might want to take a look at his scum play too, and realise that this doesn't look much like it. Thank you LayAbout. The reason I didn't go beyond the most recent game, however, is because people might tend to change styles of play over long periods of time. I think if you go back to my first game (Election Mafia, which happened right before Responsability) you would see a shift in my game from then to now. I don't like to think that simply because someone replaced halfway into a game makes them a better or worse player. Palmar came in this game himself, and is doing things that I can recognize as Town Palmar. Being aggressive, putting reads out there, gaining massive thread presense and controlling the mood. Kurumi subbed into Storm and was much more productive that game as a town player then this game as a player in general. That is why I look at his overall posting history in this game, and what it looks to accomplish, and his overall posting history to last game, and what THAT was working to accomplish (Along with his actual alignment) and compare them. I figured since what I was doing before wasn't working, I might as well try something new and see how it works out, right? Do you firmly believe Kurumi ISN'T Mafia? Like, are you near deadset on him flipping town? | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On March 16 2012 03:30 Jitsu wrote: Thank you LayAbout. The reason I didn't go beyond the most recent game, however, is because people might tend to change styles of play over long periods of time. I think if you go back to my first game (Election Mafia, which happened right before Responsability) you would see a shift in my game from then to now. I don't like to think that simply because someone replaced halfway into a game makes them a better or worse player. Palmar came in this game himself, and is doing things that I can recognize as Town Palmar. Being aggressive, putting reads out there, gaining massive thread presense and controlling the mood. Kurumi subbed into Storm and was much more productive that game as a town player then this game as a player in general. That is why I look at his overall posting history in this game, and what it looks to accomplish, and his overall posting history to last game, and what THAT was working to accomplish (Along with his actual alignment) and compare them. I figured since what I was doing before wasn't working, I might as well try something new and see how it works out, right? Do you firmly believe Kurumi ISN'T Mafia? Like, are you near deadset on him flipping town? I am pretty certain he will flip town | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
I'm also pretty certain the jury thought Casey Anthony was guilty, but it didn't matter because the D.A. didn't explain why. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On March 16 2012 03:29 prplhz wrote: Tell me what you did and how, a lot of it happened in PM land and it's hard for people to follow unless you say what actually happened. Like, to my knowledge you actually claimed during night1 but now you're saying that you claimed because you are up for lynch which doesn't make much sense because you weren't up for lynch night1. Can you copy paste both dreams again, just for my convenience? Ask Palmar and Jackal. I hinted being an informative role. 1st clue/dream There's Dreamflower role present in the game. 2nd clue/dream You dreamt about mysterious figure watching people pass by during the day. You couldn't recognize their sex. When the night came, the person you saw before was busy searching for something. Suddenly, you were reading a book in your own bed with "Secrets are being unveiled" title. As soon as you read the title entire scene disappeared. You were once again on pitch black street and couldn't find the man or woman working secretly here before. A while passed with you standing just right in the middle of the street. You were sure it's not 21st century. While your thoughts were troubling you, an angry man showed in front of you out of nowhere, saying: - You have been warned before about violating our privacy! After that, you regained your consciousness. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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