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Oh if there really is a Kingmaker then I think we can throw all assumptions of Normal game boundaries out the window -_-
Kurumi's role is beyond belief still though. Additionally if he was Town and knew about the setup why wouldn't he post that information for all of us? It's already stated in the OP that Mafia has that information. No reason to keep it to himself.
Die Kurumi die!
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On March 15 2012 23:02 Palmar wrote: ##Lynch: Jackal58 Thanks dumbass.
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Moving the game along, mostly because I don't have anything better to say about anyone else.
I'll post some stuff tonight, closer to deadline.
##Vote: Kurumi
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So we're killing 2 townies today. Scum kills 2 more tonight. Good luck to ya. I'm outta here.
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On March 15 2012 23:51 Palmar wrote: I don't care. Cause you're scum.
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On March 15 2012 23:46 Jackal58 wrote: So we're killing 2 townies today. Scum kills 2 more tonight. Good luck to ya. I'm outta here. Why do you think Kurumi's a townie?
It seems much more likely, that he's actually scum, not the traitor, and that dreamer was provided to mafia as a safeclaim. So, he knows what the role does, but he had to make up his own dreams, which ultimately revealed him. Dreamer's a decent thing to claim, because if you write your dream cryptically enough, you can probably get town to waste a whole bunch of time trying to decipher it, when it's complete gibberish. Also, if Kurumi's actually scum and trying to cover for you, it puts you in a much worse light. As traitor, it could have been he just thought you were scum, but as scum, he would have known you were scum.
Also, Kurumi's traitor behaviour makes sense for mafia. "Pretending to be the traitor" seems like a decent enough way to attract him into PMs with him. It's like a public call-out to the traitor.
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On March 16 2012 00:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 23:46 Jackal58 wrote: So we're killing 2 townies today. Scum kills 2 more tonight. Good luck to ya. I'm outta here. Why do you think Kurumi's a townie? It seems much more likely, that he's actually scum, not the traitor, and that dreamer was provided to mafia as a safeclaim. So, he knows what the role does, but he had to make up his own dreams, which ultimately revealed him. Dreamer's a decent thing to claim, because if you write your dream cryptically enough, you can probably get town to waste a whole bunch of time trying to decipher it, when it's complete gibberish. Also, if Kurumi's actually scum and trying to cover for you, it puts you in a much worse light. As traitor, it could have been he just thought you were scum, but as scum, he would have known you were scum. Also, Kurumi's traitor behaviour makes sense for mafia. "Pretending to be the traitor" seems like a decent enough way to attract him into PMs with him. It's like a public call-out to the traitor. I see no reason for a scum Kurumi to defend me. I see no reason for a scum Kurumi to confirm to others via PM that Dreamflower is in the game. Of course I never understand Kurumi no matter what he is but if he's scum he's played really bad for his team.
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you should've shot jackal, but at least, don't worry. I'm joining you soon enough, scum will win this game ez.
I'm never replacing into games again.
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Just wanna apologize to town, really, this is the worst game of mafia I've ever played, I honestly have no clue because it's impossible to scumhunt when I miss day 1, at least it seems to be for me.
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let's kill everyone who isnt' obvious town
obvious town being mattchew, sentinel, me, jitsu, gumshoe and maybe katina and rgTS.
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Bill Murray needs to die for lack of effort Jackal needs to die for not shooting night 1 Mr. Wiggles needs to die because he doesn't seem to care about how this game is going, just popping by to drop stupid posts every once in a while. DrH needs to die for not wanting jackal to shoot and being in general pretty complacent with how badly the game is going Caller needs to die because VE says he's scum Kurumi needs to die for claiming having gotten information with his role PM which just doesn't fit. I know I didn't get any. deconduo needs to die for just being afk, useless and shitty. Abenson needs to die for lurking. Curu needs to die for sheeping me without a question, yet providing very little except the case on jackal . If jackal flips scum he's town though. prplhz needs to die because he did something incredibly dumb with his role if he's telling the truth about it.
If you kill this list, dear townies, we'll win. Don't even think about killing anyone outside the list before those people are all dead.
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On March 16 2012 01:03 Palmar wrote: you should've shot jackal, but at least, don't worry. I'm joining you soon enough, scum will win this game ez.
I'm never replacing into games again. Vigs that shoot night one are almost always wrong. They are almost always stupid. Like the dumbshit that shot me in Storm. I choose my own levels of dumbassery. So far that's been limited to blowing you up. I guess it's your turn.
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Here are some interesting connections.
If Jackal flips scum, that probably clears prplhz, curu and caller, but the problem is, these three are all very linked in my mind. If prplhz or curu flips scum, please kill the other one.
If jackal flips town it says very little about DrH and Deconduo.
Wiggles is not connected to anyone, really.
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On March 16 2012 01:47 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 01:03 Palmar wrote: you should've shot jackal, but at least, don't worry. I'm joining you soon enough, scum will win this game ez.
I'm never replacing into games again. Vigs that shoot night one are almost always wrong. They are almost always stupid. Like the dumbshit that shot me in Storm. I choose my own levels of dumbassery. So far that's been limited to blowing you up. I guess it's your turn.
I can't say that when mattchew suggested just lynching I wasn't thrilled by the idea of killing you. In addition, you got shot by mafia in storm Jackal.
I wonder if I can change my lynch, that would be interesting.
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On March 15 2012 23:22 Curu wrote: Oh if there really is a Kingmaker then I think we can throw all assumptions of Normal game boundaries out the window -_-
Kurumi's role is beyond belief still though. Additionally if he was Town and knew about the setup why wouldn't he post that information for all of us? It's already stated in the OP that Mafia has that information. No reason to keep it to himself.
Die Kurumi die! SOME information. That means one thing, two things, three things maybe not the exact setup! (unless You're scum and know more than me, of course, then please go ahead and tell us Your secrets.)
You would have lynched me Day 1 if I said "Guys stop voting Jackal, I know there's Dreamflower present in the game and I trust him". Your cases are laughable and make no sense.
I did everything I could to defend Jackal from getting lynched. It's not the first I've defended someone hard D1. My defence of Schworz was the same thing, I was 3rd party back then, but I would've done that no matter what. Guess what happened after my death? Lynching him decided the game.
I wanted to look as traitor D1 to deny Mafia their guess on gaining 0.5KP. You picked up on this, but did nothing till Day 2. It makes no sense. It's obvious this lynch is scum driven. It's obvious they've tried to recruit me and it failed, so they now want to get a free lynch. I was hinting it was a plan.
My role is weird. I know that. Curu himself said that the Dreamflower role is weird but remember: role is not equal to alignment! I wanted to play without lying. Figures, it would have been better if I claimed Detective and said I had a Town check on Jackal, right?
My lynch is pathetic. There's only Jackal and Katina semi-defending me. Don't You think it's weird? Doesn't it ring some bells? I did not lie. But I guess.. it probably doesn't matter. Jackal, I hope Palmar isn't serious about this lynch thing...
When is it possible for Mafia to use Hide Flip mechanic? Can they sacrifice their KP in advance to hide lynch flip?(Like, they use it on D2 and lose KP on N2?) Please answer no to the second one. If they hide this flip they won not only this cycle, but another one too.
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On March 16 2012 01:47 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 01:03 Palmar wrote: you should've shot jackal, but at least, don't worry. I'm joining you soon enough, scum will win this game ez.
I'm never replacing into games again. Vigs that shoot night one are almost always wrong. They are almost always stupid. Like the dumbshit that shot me in Storm. I choose my own levels of dumbassery. So far that's been limited to blowing you up. I guess it's your turn. BloodyC0bbler was the one that wanted us to shoot you night 1, and so mafia did.
Is anybody is PM contact with Bill Murray? He does not seem to be playing, he promised a case on decondo 2 days ago and he has not said much since then.
Are you guys sure about Kurumi? I think there is a decent chance he will flip town.
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On March 16 2012 01:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 01:47 Jackal58 wrote:On March 16 2012 01:03 Palmar wrote: you should've shot jackal, but at least, don't worry. I'm joining you soon enough, scum will win this game ez.
I'm never replacing into games again. Vigs that shoot night one are almost always wrong. They are almost always stupid. Like the dumbshit that shot me in Storm. I choose my own levels of dumbassery. So far that's been limited to blowing you up. I guess it's your turn. I can't say that when mattchew suggested just lynching I wasn't thrilled by the idea of killing you. In addition, you got shot by mafia in storm Jackal. I wonder if I can change my lynch, that would be interesting. What??????
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Bad sentence, sorry, second language etc.
What I'm trying to say.
Mattchew told me to just lynch you, and I was excited, because I love the idea of killing you.
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