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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Pretty much I think we need to determine if we're going to focus lurkers or active players... What do we think? There are 3 predominant lurkers... | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
I was continuing with the read made by the late Mementoss that DimmuKlok was town. However with his attack on me, while justified in a certain degree with my behavior, I find that he has overextended himself and shown his true colors to be scum. Now let's go over his post history. I'm not going to quote the filler posts here, so don't accuse me of picking and choosing, this post is already going to be super long without me adding everything DimmuKlok ever said added on to it. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 07:59 DimmuKlok wrote: Because some of you are starting to look at Mementoss, I'm going to post my opinion on him quickly and post my scum reads a bit later. Mementoss's posts thus far seem pro town to me. He's been either giving his opinion on the topic at hand, pointing out inactives, and posting his scum reads. Look at this quote for example. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 05:46 Mementoss wrote: No, random lynch is not good at all. Better to go on some hunch. We already have a few little hunches that I would rather go on then just nothing at all. We also have someone who is inactive thus far. Those are 2 better options then random lynch. Also, looking at Pablols filter, Stance: Random Lynch, lynch someone who opposes the lynch. --> Labels first post of the game as suspicious. 1 liner, no real logic to why its suspicious. Filler really. --> Sentences like this " Looking at the numbers it seems as if we should play passive until we get more information since there is a high chance of lynching a townie, however, don't forget that we must take risks." that say nothing, and generally contradict themselves. -->"In my opinion, it is probably better to pick someone at random. " - Again contradicting to passive play, also lacks care of his stated high chance of getting a townie. -->Also he is trying to derail discussion of the actual person we should look to be lynching, by trying to bring up an old discussion that has already been over with. The idea of random lynching. The general consensus of those without scummy tendencies have been to try and figure out a good candidate to lynch or lynch no one at all. He is really trying to push a lynch no matter what, risky play. As the townie mafia numbers get closer, the mafia advantage rises significantly. Two bad lynches could be game. Logic should be our weapon, not rolling the dice. All in all lynching someone with no basis is an absolutely terrible option in this situation. Some circumstances in the game where you cannot risk the scum even getting 1 up, and you have no leads is a good situation to pick someone at random. This is not the case. We currently hold our people advantage and there is no desperation at this point in the game. That being said I think we have some decent information to come up with the best lynchable candidate and we should try to keep discussing to get as much information out there as we can based on peoples post behavior. Here are my top picks for scum right now: OtoshimonoU Pablols Sufficiency (although trackd00r brings up a point about his sloppy posts) Not counting Beorn cause I think it might be cause hes a noob and just forgot about the game starting to be honest. But he is in my mind too. Even if all his scum picks were wrong, it's still pro town to put it out there. It forces responses from the accused, which brings more information to the table. He first establishes his credibility in the beginning by defending Mementoss, who was one of the most active posters in the thread and who was killed off Night1. If he was Mafia, he would look town by defending Mementoss, but now there's a reason that Mementoss was targetted first. By killing Mementoss off early right after he posts supporting DimmuKlok and "confirming town" he removes suspicion from himself, and can use his previous support of Mementoss to defend himself. Pretty scummy behavior here, I hope everyone else agrees. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 17:59 DimmuKlok wrote: Sufficiency, while you're here could you explain to me in more detail why you chose OtoshimonoU and gunman103? On March 02 2012 20:36 DimmuKlok wrote: Fair enough... I was hoping it was something a little more elaborate, but ok.  On March 03 2012 03:24 DimmuKlok wrote: I agree. Lets lynch beorn. He has yet to contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate for today. This is pretty amusing to me and pretty blatant suspicious behavior. You question Sufficiency, he gives a very vague response "gutty feelings", and you don't follow up on that, but then you agree with Sufficiency on lynching Beorn without question? This is even more damning when reading the following post: + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2012 06:50 DimmuKlok wrote: Defending Mementoss was simply me trying to get the conversation in a more productive direction and off someone I thought was innocent at the time. Bandwagoning with Sufficiency actually had nothing to do with Sufficiency at all. When Sufficiency posted that he wanted to lynch Beorn, I quickly agreed and threw my vote on him. This was done in order to pressure Beorn out of hiding. In the post I hint at exactly what I want him to do, and that's to "contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate". I suspected him as scum so his response was going to give me a lot of information. I even make another post to put the pressure back on Beorn and get some information out of him here: My vote was not initially intended for Beorn, nor did I intend to keep it on him, because I didn't think he would get enough votes before the deadline. I'm changing my vote to Oto, who I originally intended on voting for. I want to state however that we cannot let this continue after today. We will always be more conformable with lynching someone who we have a read on, but we need a way to get lurkers to post. Consider this scenario... mafia without any consequences of not contributing can just chill day after day while everyone kills each other. On Day 2 I think we should seriously consider lynching lurkers, or start conversation on how to get them to post more. So now we see that DimmuKlok was agreeing with Sufficiency only to "draw Beorn out of hiding" but really he wanted to vote for OtoshimonoU the whole time, because he knew that Beorn wouldn't get enough votes and he wanted to make sure OtoshimonoU got lynched? Remember this behavior when I bring up how OtoshimonoU finally got lynched. Beorn ended up being a lurker and was replaced, targetting him was an easy move for any Mafia trying to blend in and pointing out obvious targets. The interaction between Sufficiency and DimmuKlok is pretty telling, DimmuKlok wasn't trying to bandwagon and support his fellow Mafia at all! + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2012 07:18 DimmuKlok wrote: I'm somewhat lost when it comes to Sufficiency. I can't tell if he's smart and trying to get reactions out of people with his posts, or one of the many other things I've considered. If people are interested I can make a more detailed case on my opinion of him, but even I'm not too confident in my read on him. Pretty cute/telling here as well. He realizes that his interaction with Sufficiency has been pretty non-existant so he posts this to make sure there are no assumptions on them working together. He offers to post a more detailed case on him (which no one asks for) so he gets away scot free. + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2012 09:57 DimmuKlok wrote: My idea and Mementoss's idea are actually very different. His idea was to force everyone into coming up with 2 very detailed cases on 2 different people. There were lots of problems with this plan. One of which he states right after he tells everyone the plan: All town need to participate and the cases need to be damn good or they will get accused. This meant that the mafia simply didn't have to participate and all it took was one town player to not put in the effort. If you were going to participate you needed to put in a lot of effort, therefor not many people contributed and the idea died. Not surprising considering 4 people didn't even put in the effort to vote, and at least one was town. This idea has none of those problems. You can choose to benefit the town by making a more detailed post on your scum read, but you don't have to. What you do have to do is post. Don't, and we'll simply lynch you. I'm not going to lie, the major problem with this plan is that we can't lynch someone that we have a case on unless we are nearly 100% sure he is mafia. Simply because we need to have consequences for not participating, and that's getting lynched. Even that one problem is minor, though. A townie will not want to be lynched, therefor he will at least post. That will continue to narrow down the list of lurkers until you would have to be stupid not to accuse someone in order to not get lynched. If everyone is smart, everyone will post, and we can get new information out there and everyone participating. In the chance that we have 1-3 lurkers when it comes time to vote, we'll have to pick which we feel is the best to lynch. I don't see that happening though with how easy it is to keep yourself from getting lynched(Post a scum read). When and if there are no lurkers, we can go back to voting for who you want to lynch. So this was posted after Day1 and the unsuccessful lynch of OtoshimonoU. He tries to keep pretending his pro-town stance here by proposing this "everyone posts 1 scum read." It is important to see this in context as well from what we know now. Mementoss had the original idea and I called him out on this and he defended himself by saying "well it's not really the same." Sure what you wanted us to do compared to Mementoss was in the details different, but again, the general idea was posting scum reads, which was originally proposed by Mementoss. You are staying in his shadow to keep looking town. + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2012 08:27 DimmuKlok wrote: GG Mementoss, it's been fun. OtoshimonoU, what is your read on Sufficiency? Also, who is your top scum read right now and why? On March 06 2012 04:08 DimmuKlok wrote: Oto is either a useless towny or mafia, I'm voting for him. I tried to get more information out of him before we lynch him, but he apparently has 0 reads... So here day 2 rolls around, Mementoss gets killed off so DimmuKlok needs to make sure the suspicion is still on OtoshimonoU. He calls him out, OtoshimonoU obviously did not respond very well, therefore there was no need for DimmuKlok to post anything except that "he is either a useless towny or mafia" as his justification. And that he "tried to get more information! But alas, OtoshimonoU was not sufficient in his defense and therefore it's still an ok lynch. Keep this in mind as well for later for when he calls me out and votes OtoshimonoU. + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2012 03:03 DimmuKlok wrote: Why I called out Willz: Willz was the first person to vote for Oto. In this post he states clearly that he's completely ok with the current case on Oto and willing to lynch him. He even throws in a scapegoat for funzies(He's new). He then states here, as confusingly as possible, that he thinks lynching Oto would be a mislynch. Later in the post saying he's more ok with a Sufficiency lynch than Oto, because of Blubbdavids post. He's now sure that Oto is town and lynching him will give no information. I bolded it for importance. If Oto was mafia, obviously him getting lynched would give us plenty of information. All of these point of views are not incriminating yet, but important to keep in mind when you read this: This is where he begins to try to prove his innocence, while still getting rid of Oto. When you read this post, it's made very clear to you that he thinks Oto is green. I'd go even further to say that he knows that he's green. But alas, "That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it." Yea, lets get that information out of him that you said there wasn't any of... This post was made immediately after. He has the inherent feeling that he needs to defend his choice without anyone accusing him. Remember, it's for the information. This post is the most telling. He tells everyone what he knew all along. Oto flipping green will not give information. He also knows that Oto is going to flip green, and that explains all the effort he put in to make sure that he would not be a suspect after his death. His last 3 posts were shortly before the lynch, and all pushed the same message. Oto being lynched was the perfect way for Willz to look innocent and to stay out of the light. It was too suspicious not to bring up. After thinking about it, a DT check on Willz wouldn't be too bad of an idea either. Ahh my favorite part, where he has over-extended and now has shown his true [red]scum colors. The reasoning behind him attacking me is fairly obvious, I was being flip floppy over my vote and choices, he called me out on it. I am now a valid target for lynching day3 and an easy case to make from his opinion. However, it backfired because it was a weak argument, and I was defended by blubbdavid and Sburbbles (who was killed Night2). This leads to: + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2012 12:24 DimmuKlok wrote: GG Sbrubbles. Looking forward to it, Willz. I admit my accusation wasn't the most solid. I stand by everything I said, but I accept the explanation you have given. I'm going to see what I can put together with the information we gained with Sbrubbles and Rainmakers death. So he sees that the case against me isn't going his way, more people are suspicious of him than me, realizes his mistake, and posts this in rebuttal? "Oops I guess my accusation wasn't the most solid?" This is also after Sbrubbles gets killed off, one of my strong defenders and one of the people who calls out DimmuKlok. He makes this post to bide his time and await another chance to make new accusations. If he was really town, he should be defending his stance a lot more than meekly backing down. So finally in summary: DimmuKlok pretends to be town and proposes many pro-town things, and shields himself by defending Mementoss. Note his behavior Day1 that Sburbbles compiled: + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2012 06:40 Sbrubbles wrote: No, my line of thought is that he switched into voting for Otoshi to try to lynch him after it was clear that a bandwagon was under way (like he did day 2). Of course, it wasn't enough on day 1 because we had 3 people (discounting myself and Otoshi, of course) who failed to vote. His initial vote was Beorn. For reference: + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2012 10:03 kitaman27 wrote: Day One Final Count OtoshimonoU -6 trackd00r Mementoss Rainmaker5 Maverick32x DimmuKlok gunman103 Beorn1 -1 Sufficiency Tiystus -0 No Lynch-1 Sbrubbles Pablols, Tiystus, OtoshimonoU, Beorn1 have all failed to vote. I will be pming them to see if they require a replacement. If I'm unable to do so, they will be modkilled. + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2012 10:35 kitaman27 wrote: Day Two Tally OtoshimonoU -7 blubbdavid Maverick32x OtoshimonoU gunman103 Pablols DimmuKlok willz22912 Sufficiency -0 No lynch -1 Sufficiency Rainmaker5-2 Sbrubbles trackd00r Rainmaker5 still need to vote. Thirty minutes remain DimmuKlok initially votes Beorn1 a lurker agreeing with his buddy Sufficiency here. However, he sees that the vote is more likely to go in favor for OtoshimonoU and changes it accordingly. Day2 he doesn't post any new reasoning behind staying for OtoshimonoU, and calls me out for changing my vote to OtoshimonoU even though it was my opinion that OtoshimonoU would be town. Now that OtoshimonoU was successfully lynched as a mis-lynch he is looking for new targets, and the case against me is made to start suspicion for a day3 lynch. As for the night kills and how they help DimmuKlok. DimmuKlok built his credibility by defending Mementoss, Mementoss was also one of the most active posters and even commented saying DimmuKlok was "confirmed town". By killing him that Night1, he retains his credibility and removes one of the most dangerous threats to people noticing his inconsistency. Night2, killing Sbrubbles aside from being our medic, was one of my defenders, and even called out DimmuKlok for his more suspicious behavior. Removing him would weaken any arguments I make because I could not use his future support. I truly believe that DimmuKlok is truly [red]scum and I would highly suspect Sufficiency as well. If town is to win this game, we need to not have a single mis-lynch, and we can only do that by agreeing on the most likely suspects. I hope you agree with this case and choose to vote DimmuKlok for day3. This post was already super long, but please take a look at my supporters blubbdavid and Sbrubbles and their evidence against DimmuKlok as well. ##Vote: DimmuKlok | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
If I was worried about being considered mafia, I wouldn't be so open with my posting. If you look at my posts from a town point of view, it's very easy to see my agenda in every post. I'm going to post again soon with any info I can come up with. Lets try to keep it as active as possible for this day. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
Now let's go over his post history. I'm not going to quote the filler posts here, so don't accuse me of picking and choosing, this post is already going to be super long without me adding everything DimmuKlok ever said added on to it. He first establishes his credibility in the beginning by defending Mementoss, who was one of the most active posters in the thread and who was killed off Night1. If he was Mafia, he would look town by defending Mementoss, but now there's a reason that Mementoss was targetted first. By killing Mementoss off early right after he posts supporting DimmuKlok and "confirming town" he removes suspicion from himself, and can use his previous support of Mementoss to defend himself. Pretty scummy behavior here, I hope everyone else agrees. As for the night kills and how they help DimmuKlok. DimmuKlok built his credibility by defending Mementoss, Mementoss was also one of the most active posters and even commented saying DimmuKlok was "confirmed town". By killing him that Night1, he retains his credibility and removes one of the most dangerous threats to people noticing his inconsistency. Night2, killing Sbrubbles aside from being our medic, was one of my defenders, and even called out DimmuKlok for his more suspicious behavior. Removing him would weaken any arguments I make because I could not use his future support. The death of Mementoss indeed built up some cred. But not so much like Otos death did for Scrubbles. Killing a townie after he supports you is a risky tactic, wouldn't it be better if Mementoss lived to support Dimmu? And by killing Scrubbles, wouldn't it make it obvious to take a look at Dimmu? I mean Scrubbles was against Dimmu. By killing Scrubbles, Dimmu would easily get the suspicion of us. That's just something that worried me about your analysis. But I pretty much like the rest. But I will stay on gunmaker for now. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:04 Maverick32x wrote: I don't think we should vote for Dim... Even if he IS mafia.. he is too ambigious at this point... He has particpated and been engaged... This is realistically our last chance to win this...... I'd be nervous voting someone who has been an integral part of this process... I'd rather target a lurker.. someone who particpated very litte.. wat? And with lurker I suppose you mean Sufficieny, gunman and Pablols. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Here is the re-write: I dont think we should vote for Dim. Even if he is mafia, he is too ambigious at this point. etc etc. Basically what I'm trying to say is that he may very well be scum.. but I don't think we have as good a case against him as we do for gunman or pablols.. I'm still thinking that sufficiency is Town... call me crazy.. but that 1st day vote bought him my pseudo-support.... | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:15 DimmuKlok wrote: Willz, your case on me comes down to me looking like a town and behaving like a town, therefor I'm mafia in disguise. You said yourself we can't have a single mislynch, yet your proposal is to lynch the guy who's so pro town he's suspicious. The most surprising part of your post is that you were actually willing vote for me immediately after it. I'm guessing it's a scare tactic. If I was worried about being considered mafia, I wouldn't be so open with my posting. If you look at my posts from a town point of view, it's very easy to see my agenda in every post. I'm going to post again soon with any info I can come up with. Lets try to keep it as active as possible for this day. To DimmuKlok: So what's your read on Sufficiency that you promised to post if anyone asked, and can you explain what I quoted about your interaction with him Day1 and blindly agreeing with him to vote Beorn1 even though you contradict yourself later and say you were planning on voting for OtoshimonoU all along? That's town behavior in your opinion, if it is, then why'd you call me out for doing the same vote changing on OtoshimonoU? You're still my top pick for scum, sorry. As for everyone else, I can see trackd00r's case on gunman, but then trackd00r hasn't posted anything at all regarding DimmuKlok's accusations towards me, and neither have the other lurkers. So we take our chances picking a random lurker like gunman based off one person's case? With probably little to no rebuttal? I at least presented some serious points against DimmuKlok, but if you people want to roll the dice, then I'm not changing my vote this time. On March 08 2012 04:13 blubbdavid wrote: Let me check some points of your post willz. The death of Mementoss indeed built up some cred. But not so much like Otos death did for Scrubbles. Killing a townie after he supports you is a risky tactic, wouldn't it be better if Mementoss lived to support Dimmu? And by killing Scrubbles, wouldn't it make it obvious to take a look at Dimmu? I mean Scrubbles was against Dimmu. By killing Scrubbles, Dimmu would easily get the suspicion of us. That's just something that worried me about your analysis. But I pretty much like the rest. But I will stay on gunmaker for now. To blubbdavid: How would killing a townie after he supports you be a risky tactic after the poor events of Day1? There was hardly any participation, the majority of players Day1 had low post counts, DimmuKlok and Mementoss were one of the most active. Would anyone have any good reason why Mementoss was targetted or any supsects? No, of course not, there was little information, and no reason to suspect DimmuKlok at this time. Do you really think that all mafia just try and lurk as much as possible? It's fairly obvious to go after lurkers, but it is not obvious to go after people who are the most active. Being active does not and should not give you the automatic feeling that someone is town, nor should it be a defense. Take a look at DimmuKlok's filter yourself and see how much useful information he really does post. It's not a lot, but hey he's active right? By removing the only other active poster and having so much credibility, DimmuKlok dispels a lot of suspicion towards him, which is what Mafia would want! But even if you disregard how the Night kills may or may not have affected DimmuKlok, can you explain his behavior with Sufficiency, or the fact that he called me out and then retracted it with a "I guess my case wasn't that strong" when numerous people jumped to my defense? Why make a case against me at all then if you're not confident in your read. He says my vote against him is a scare tactic, at least I'm willing to stand by my case and defend it until he posts a convincing defense besides one paragraph. In fact, I'm interested in seeing DimmuKlok's opinion on who we should vote for, considering you all believe he is still town. | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
I think we have to push a lurker lynch this day. And when I talk about lurker, I'm thinking about Gunman103, Pablols or Sufficiency. There is a good chance that 1 or maybe 2 players are scum, specially Gum or Pablo. This is the reasoning behind it: 1) Look how we are now. Everyone points finger in different players. Maverick posts updated reports. Blubb pressures some players. Willz and Dimmu accusing each other. We are now in a town crisis. This leads to the idea that we are ultimately going to kill ourselves, and mafia just lurking back to see our slow death. This is what they have been doing all this time. If there was more than one active poster in the game by now, chances are that they want push a lynch in an easy target and just win the game right away. It's true to say that they might wait any longer to make this decision (since trying to risk the might end up losing 1 out of 3 mafia is pretty much a bad shot for them). The difference is that they can't do that because I don't see anything clear of any of the suspicious players. They are still laying back to see our own death. 2) These are the two players that are not having any attention by this time. We, as town, are ignoring him completely. In the situation we are now, there are probably two regular mafia posters who want to confuse us further more and the other one is not getting into the spotlight. 3) Any other case with the exception of Oto's case did not trigger any strong response so far. This is supported by the enormous lurking these last days. Now, there has been some of action, which I'll comment on soon. Now @Willz. I actually like your case on Dimmuklok. The idea that he is using Mementoss as a justification card for everything is very convincing. I think I'm going to take a closer look on him than I did before. Something I really disliked about him now was the way he took off all the pressure of you when he responded to your defense. I don't get why is he dropping the suspicion. I have so many thoughts going around my head right now. I'll try to post again before I go to sleep. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 08 2012 09:59 trackd00r wrote: We are now on a MYLO situation (if we mislynch we lose). This is my opinion about the situation right now. I think we have to push a lurker lynch this day. And when I talk about lurker, I'm thinking about Gunman103, Pablols or Sufficiency. There is a good chance that 1 or maybe 2 players are scum, specially Gum or Pablo. This is the reasoning behind it: 1) Look how we are now. Everyone points finger in different players. Maverick posts updated reports. Blubb pressures some players. Willz and Dimmu accusing each other. We are now in a town crisis. This leads to the idea that we are ultimately going to kill ourselves, and mafia just lurking back to see our slow death. This is what they have been doing all this time. If there was more than one active poster in the game by now, chances are that they want push a lynch in an easy target and just win the game right away. It's true to say that they might wait any longer to make this decision (since trying to risk the might end up losing 1 out of 3 mafia is pretty much a bad shot for them). The difference is that they can't do that because I don't see anything clear of any of the suspicious players. They are still laying back to see our own death. 2) These are the two players that are not having any attention by this time. We, as town, are ignoring him completely. In the situation we are now, there are probably two regular mafia posters who want to confuse us further more and the other one is not getting into the spotlight. 3) Any other case with the exception of Oto's case did not trigger any strong response so far. This is supported by the enormous lurking these last days. Now, there has been some of action, which I'll comment on soon. Now @Willz. I actually like your case on Dimmuklok. The idea that he is using Mementoss as a justification card for everything is very convincing. I think I'm going to take a closer look on him than I did before. Something I really disliked about him now was the way he took off all the pressure of you when he responded to your defense. I don't get why is he dropping the suspicion. I have so many thoughts going around my head right now. I'll try to post again before I go to sleep. I dropped it because it wasn't solid, and I accepted his defense as a possible explanation. Everything I posted I actually felt was a possibility, but it was speculation. I didn't vote for him, I was trying to get a response out of him. There was a chance he might slip up in his response, but I thought it was acceptable so I dropped it. I could have easily kept the pressure on and forced pages of arguing, or I could drop it and work toward a more likely lynch. In a MYLO situation, what would you have done? | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + He then states here, as confusingly as possible, that he thinks lynching Oto would be a mislynch. Later in the post saying he's more ok with a Sufficiency lynch than Oto, because of Blubbdavids post. He's now sure that Oto is town and lynching him will give no information. I bolded it for importance. If Oto was mafia, obviously him getting lynched would give us plenty of information. All of these point of views are not incriminating yet, but important to keep in mind when you read this: This is where he begins to try to prove his innocence, while still getting rid of Oto. When you read this post, it's made very clear to you that he thinks Oto is green. I'd go even further to say that he knows that he's green. But alas, "That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it." Yea, lets get that information out of him that you said there wasn't any of... This post was made immediately after. He has the inherent feeling that he needs to defend his choice without anyone accusing him. Remember, it's for the information. All this ''information'' drama or pseudo contradiction that Dimmu is taking apart is rather unconvincing. Willz was sure that we wouldn't get any information off Oto's lynch. And then, he later say that we might get information because the lynch was pretty much set and he just hoped for the best. I just think his analysis that Dimmu made was nothing to bark about. Also, I dislike his logic: Just because he wasn't 100% sure on Oto's case doesn't mean that he is mafia, or at least that's not how we should try to hunt down mafia this game. Dimmuklok case doesn't have much substance. Now, his recent call to Pablols might see that he is trying to dig the other way and finding a path to push the killing blow to us, another mislynch. There is like 0 interaction between Gunman and Dimmu. I think we might find a scummy couple here. I repeat, I find weird that Dimmu has dropped the pressure onto Willz. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 08 2012 09:16 willz22912 wrote: So what's your read on Sufficiency that you promised to post if anyone asked, and can you explain what I quoted about your interaction with him Day1 and blindly agreeing with him to vote Beorn1 even though you contradict yourself later and say you were planning on voting for OtoshimonoU all along? That's town behavior in your opinion, if it is, then why'd you call me out for doing the same vote changing on OtoshimonoU? I already made a post explaining the vote on Beorn: On March 03 2012 06:50 DimmuKlok wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Bandwagoning with Sufficiency actually had nothing to do with Sufficiency at all. When Sufficiency posted that he wanted to lynch Beorn, I quickly agreed and threw my vote on him. This was done in order to pressure Beorn out of hiding. In the post I hint at exactly what I want him to do, and that's to "contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate". I suspected him as scum so his response was going to give me a lot of information. I even make another post to put the pressure back on Beorn and get some information out of him here: On March 03 2012 05:06 DimmuKlok wrote: Beorn, we're still waiting for your case on who to lynch. When you decide to start contributing, please also give me your opinion on Rainmaker and what you think about my read on him. My vote was not initially intended for Beorn, nor did I intend to keep it on him, because I didn't think he would get enough votes before the deadline. I'm changing my vote to Oto, who I originally intended on voting for. I want to state however that we cannot let this continue after today. We will always be more conformable with lynching someone who we have a read on, but we need a way to get lurkers to post. Consider this scenario... mafia without any consequences of not contributing can just chill day after day while everyone kills each other. The reason for my accusation was to get a response out of you. Check out what I posted about Mementoss earlier, and it might help explain: On March 02 2012 07:59 DimmuKlok wrote: Mementoss's posts thus far seem pro town to me. He's been either giving his opinion on the topic at hand, pointing out inactives, and posting his scum reads. Look at this quote for example. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 05:46 Mementoss wrote: No, random lynch is not good at all. Better to go on some hunch. We already have a few little hunches that I would rather go on then just nothing at all. We also have someone who is inactive thus far. Those are 2 better options then random lynch. Also, looking at Pablols filter, Stance: Random Lynch, lynch someone who opposes the lynch. --> Labels first post of the game as suspicious. 1 liner, no real logic to why its suspicious. Filler really. --> Sentences like this " Looking at the numbers it seems as if we should play passive until we get more information since there is a high chance of lynching a townie, however, don't forget that we must take risks." that say nothing, and generally contradict themselves. -->"In my opinion, it is probably better to pick someone at random. " - Again contradicting to passive play, also lacks care of his stated high chance of getting a townie. -->Also he is trying to derail discussion of the actual person we should look to be lynching, by trying to bring up an old discussion that has already been over with. The idea of random lynching. The general consensus of those without scummy tendencies have been to try and figure out a good candidate to lynch or lynch no one at all. He is really trying to push a lynch no matter what, risky play. As the townie mafia numbers get closer, the mafia advantage rises significantly. Two bad lynches could be game. Logic should be our weapon, not rolling the dice. All in all lynching someone with no basis is an absolutely terrible option in this situation. Some circumstances in the game where you cannot risk the scum even getting 1 up, and you have no leads is a good situation to pick someone at random. This is not the case. We currently hold our people advantage and there is no desperation at this point in the game. That being said I think we have some decent information to come up with the best lynchable candidate and we should try to keep discussing to get as much information out there as we can based on peoples post behavior. Here are my top picks for scum right now: OtoshimonoU Pablols Sufficiency (although trackd00r brings up a point about his sloppy posts) Not counting Beorn cause I think it might be cause hes a noob and just forgot about the game starting to be honest. But he is in my mind too. Even if all his scum picks were wrong, it's still pro town to put it out there. It forces responses from the accused, which brings more information to the table. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5244 Posts
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Gunman, pablols or sufficiency... I would say the order that makes the most sense is the one I just listed... if we have a DT remaining, they should investigate sufficiency and hope hes just a regular mafia so we can set up a hit on the following day (assuming we get this next lynch correct) My vote right now is for Gunman. I'm thinking that we are pointing fingers at each other while Mafia just slide into the background.... It seems like the remaining town are in a frenzy to try to stay alive and solve this... while the remaining people are not involved in this at all.... | ||
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