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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:43 trackd00r wrote: Blubb, I'm completely serious. Don't you believe the facts? Don't you find scummy that Sufficiency went in minutes before a lynch and just voted, ignoring completely any current discussion? You are making no sense to me now. Neither Sufficiency is. Mave, Willz, please. The evidence is right in front of your eyes. Change your vote You believe your read on Gunman to be wrong? | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:52 DimmuKlok wrote: You believe your read on Gunman to be wrong? Because if you don't, there is no reason for you to be pushing this right now. He can be lynched next. Did Sufficiency voting on Gunman last minute make Gunman innocent, or was Sufficiency making the only obvious choice? | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIMzrzHF3-Y&feature=related Night Three Lord Zedd was sick of Rita's incompetence. She clearly was no match for the Power Rangers. He decided to give her one last chance to prove herself. In an act of desperation, she summoned her secret weapon; the Green Ranger! Unfortunately for her, he never showed up. Back to the dumpster for gunman. gunman103 the Rita Repulsa (Mafia goon) has been lynched. Pablols the Green Ranger (Miller) has been modkilled. Sucks to be Tommy. | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
Well, whoops sorry about that situation last pages. I just got out of control. Going to sleep now. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:09 trackd00r wrote: Wooow.... Nice. Well, whoops sorry about that situation last pages. I just got out of control. Going to sleep now. If that's the best explanation you have for what just happened, then thanks for making the search for the next mafia so easy. Sufficiency, now would be a good time to hear your side of the story. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
NICE WORK GUYS!!! YA!!! :D disappointing that Pablols died.. but nice work!!!! We are one step closer!! So proud of you guys <3 | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
I have no other read on Sufficiency besides his lack of posting and his previous behavior, and it seems like he's our only concrete suspect at this time. Guess we'll see who gets killed off this Night... | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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gunman103
United States84 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:47 gunman103 wrote: It has been an interesting game thus far. I will definatly be watching how the game progresses. Anyway, glhf every one. Never give up, never surrender and all that good stuff. And give 'em hell for me you scummy badasses. Also, Can I still talk or look in the scum only chat? You may continue to observe, but communicating with your scum buddies regarding strategy is no longer allowed. Just a reminder, please limit death posts to a "gl hf". Thanks! | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
Now that we have a confirmed Mafia.. its really time to check those filters!! I'm going to organize this read based off who Gunman has talked about/accussed/supported. 5.) willz22912 Filter (replaced Tiystus)- Accused Tiystus (willz's double) pretty hard. Targeted him as #1.. Ok, thats it!! Wow, he really was a lurker!! haha Since I don't want this to just be a 2 sentence post, lets look at Trackd00r a bit closer and see what we can dig up- He does make a pretty big post against Gunman!! Which I think is really important.. given that this is before his major freakout/break near the end of the voting... 5.) willz22912 Filter (replaced Tiystus)- Targets early on... 6.) DimmuKlok Filter- Gets a little fiesty against Dim.. 7.) Sufficiency Filter- Says he thinks sufficiency is town.... Kinda starts to think that its a good idea to lynch sufficieny...But then immediatly switches to say he's 'not dangerous' Pretty wishy-washy.. 9.) Maverick32x Filter- kind of supportive early on? .. 12.) blubbdavid Filter(replaced beorn1) Checking his filters also- he CONSISTENTLY targets Gunman... Why would he target mafia the whole time? I'm going to give a couple general reads before the night ends.. in case I die!! 5.) willz22912 Filter Town. 6.) DimmuKlok Filter- Scum 7.) Sufficiency Filter- Scum 10.) trackd00r Filter- Town 12.) blubbdavid Filter- Town Boom. That is what it is. I think this is the only way it can happen... Allow me to explain- Willz- was targetting VERY early on by Gunman at a time when ANYONE could of been voted out. This would not of happened if Gunman and Willz were together... Gunman NEVER accused any of the likely scum that I posted above. In fact he was supportive of Dim, and NEVER brought up Sufficiency despite claiming that he wanted to lynch lurkers, and sufficiency is the BIGGEST lurker of them all... Dim- This one kind of breaks my heart because for a long time I really thought Dim was town.. but allow me to explain. Dim targetted Trackd00r at the end of this rant. That means that him and Trackd00r can not be mafia. Dim also votes randomly for Beorn for being a lurker... The only other person who voted for Beorn was... Sufficiency!! (Starting to see the connection?) He defends sufficiency- and NEVER accusses him.. Dim and Sufficiency have a connection. Sufficiency- Just a lurker. The case against him in the things he says are weak.. its how others interact with him that is important.. though I suppose lurking is kind of evidence in itself... Trackd00r- He had his freak out at the end which kind of paints him poorly.. HOWEVER- consider the lengthy post that he made before he freaked out that outlines a lot of reasons to target Gunman... I find this behavior suspicious.. but I don't think he was trying to change the vote.. but rather felt strongly that sufficiency was mafia (which I think he is correct in) Blubb- Based off my above statement, If Blubb was mafia, and trackd00r was mafia, he would not of jumped on Trackd00r that much.... Leaning towards Dim, which means they are probably not the 'same' despite both being suspicious of Trackd00r....Targets sufficiency... Likely not with Sufficiency and Dim because they both voted against him (in a former life when he was Beorn).. Either way, if I die tonight- those are my reads. and I feel VERY strongly about them. One of the biggest parts of this is that you can't really re-arrange Mafia in other way that makes sense... Check those filters and see how everyone matches up. | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
In the reality, I wanted to lynch Gunman103. I never dropped my suspicion of him. I knew that he was going to be lynched, since already had reached a majority and nothing really could prevent to turn it back. Now, with a lynch which I was very sure about, I decided to check the reaction of mafia players when I bring up another candidate. The ninja vote that Sufficiency made just 1 hour before the deadline was the perfect situation to see if Mafia is bussing Gun, or just let him die without putting themselves in the spotlight. Apparently, Maverick , Pablols and Willz seemed to not be around at that time, so it left me with Blubb and Dimu. I presented some evidence that might be tempting enough for them, If they were, to switch and provoke another no lynch, and therefore likely claim their victory at night. After checking out what reactions they did say, I switched my vote back to Gun just one minute before the deadline to avoid and tension or the threat of a massive scum vote switch. As Gunman flipped scum, I can safely now say that either Blubbdavid or Dimmuklok is a confirmed townie. None of them tried to switch a vote in an almost 100% safe lynch to prevent the death of a scum mate. This is mostly speculation, but in an analytic fashion: Given A is town and B is Mafia: 1) If A attempted to switch to gunman, B would quickly switch as well. 2) If B tried to switch, A would analyse the situation or asked me further explanations before switching its vote. Now, if both players were Mafia and switched, me and them would directly fall down into the spotlight and one of us would be a totally potential lynch candidate day 4. And then they would easily turn against me and push out the mislynch. This case is very unlikely to happen, since chances to getting mafia lynched were 2/3, very risky IMO. But given situation (1), this is way more easier to pull off, since here is 2 town / 1 scum. But let's get back to what actually happen. None of the players switched. Why? Because one of them doing so would make so obvious that he was protecting his scum mate. In the other hand, I don't see the point why if they both were mafia, didn't prevent the scum lynch, since together that was way less riskier and more justifiable to a certain degree. Imagine both Dim and Blubb were scum. They were obviously coordinating their moves and waiting for the deadline with high nerves. It's safe to assume they were checking the voting thread for all that time. Wouldn't the completely Sufficiency vote caught their attention and see that as a good chance to save Gum? (please note: Even if sufficiency is scum or town, all would have ended in a no lynch if switched). Now imagine of them as Scum. Risky move to make? Hell yes. I took the initiative and checked what moves they show, to see if they continue disguising themselves as townies or go ahead and make the big push to win. That's some of the analysis and predictions I could make about their behavior. One of them is town, the other, scum. Anyways, Sufficiency play is one of the most intriguing I've ever seen in my time at TL mafia. I'll give my analysis and more information later into the night so my actions are not an influence to mafia's next target. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 10 2012 04:01 Maverick32x wrote: I just looked through the filters on Dim again.. the only person that he never accused out of the remainders is Sufficiency and I guess me... but I find the sufficiency the weirdest because he was such a lurker and so many people were targetting him... when in fact Dim was defending him!!! I think we got this one :D I am lurking because I find this game way too time-consuming now than what I initially thought it would take -- furthermore I am really busy these days. I tried to ask to have me replaced, but according to the mod there are many people in front of me who wants to be replaced. That's why I stayed... | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
First of, very clever. Luring scum by making fake votes, and then that kind of prisoners dilemma. On the other hand, you were kinda lucky that only Dimmu and me were on at that time. To Sufficieny's behaviour I have to say that it happens often that someone just bandwagons in the last second. Imagine Suff would have voted for someone other than gunman, then we would be ripping his ass now. Despite that, I am willing to lynch Suff this day. | ||
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Maverick32x
United States311 Posts
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