EPTI wouldn't change anything about your play, certainly posting less doesn't help
Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II - Page 48
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
I wouldn't change anything about your play, certainly posting less doesn't help | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On March 13 2012 15:24 Probulous wrote: Thanks Syllo, you're too kind. 0:4 is not good  I'm thinking of completely changing how I play. I think I post too much and dominate the thread making it easy for others to hide. My cases are getting shorter which is good, I just need to tone down the number of posts. I really need a way to deal with lurkers though, I mean end game here there were two town lurkers and a medic, how do you win a game like that? Don't worry about the 0:4, you've seriously had some terrible luck. Your first game town was terribly inactive, your second game you somehow got a competent town against you (in a newbie mini no less), etc. etc. I know what you mean about toning down the number of posts, but there are merits with both ways. If you look at TL Mafia L, compare BloddyC0bbler's play with Protactinium's. BC was in everyone's face, talking a lot, whereas protact posted less but very meaty. Both worked well. TheToast, you really should shape up. If you pull this nonsense on me when I am town, I will destroy you. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
In all seriousness the problem I notice nowadays is not enough pressure is put on lurkers. What motivation do they have to post if the only form of pressure they get is someone saying "Im going to pressure vote X" which carries no weight for obvious reasons. In all honesty I believe that lynching someone who obviously isnt going to put time into the game is a very good day1 lynch. You can see that it can become incredibly game changing to let them coast throughout the entire game. Mafia sure as hell won't kill them, leaving you the same place you were in regards to discovering their alignment. My opinion is that unless you have a STELLAR day1 lynch target, you are going to probally have better odds of improving the game in the long run if you just take care of the lurkers early. Vig shots can help with this as well. Take care of one early, the rest will hopefully realize what needs to be done to stay alive. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
 , your losses were very close I can say aswell  . Even me with a 1:4(?) record I still feel nice.FUN > ALL sidenote + Show Spoiler + ALL HAIL FLAMEWHEEL | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
UMADBRO? sidenote again + Show Spoiler + LETS MAKE A FW FANCLUB!!! | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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Bluelightz
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 13 2012 18:47 Palmar wrote: I told you to lynch deconduo, why didn't you listen? Because when I asked if you sure you never responded. I could only assume you had changed your mind. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On March 13 2012 20:05 Probulous wrote: Because when I asked if you sure you never responded. I could only assume you had changed your mind. I love how I just couldn't figure out what was wrong with your play. I said it like 2-3 times. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Poll: Did you have fun? Yes (2) Somewhat (1) No (0) 3 total votes Your vote: Did you have fun? Poll: Did you like the setup? Yes (3) Somewhat (0) No (0) 3 total votes Your vote: Did you like the setup? Poll: Did you think the setup was balanced? Yes (3) Somewhat (0) No (0) 3 total votes Your vote: Did you think the setup was balanced? Poll: Did you read the day/night posts? Yes (2) No (0) 2 total votes Your vote: Did you read the day/night posts? + Show Spoiler [If Yes] + I might add more stuff after, if I think of it. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 13 2012 20:28 Palmar wrote: I love how I just couldn't figure out what was wrong with your play. I said it like 2-3 times. That was why I shot you :p I knew you would get it soon and then i would be lynched | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:44 Mattchew wrote: OH btw... palmar was double stacked so that was super lucky for scum and prob otherwise it woulda probably been gg That was a calculated guess. I figured that the medic would probably be on Palmar but there was no way I could let him live. Surviving one day with him being suspicious of me was lucky enough. Besides after he outed sandroba I figured that scum would go after him, especially if they had a vig. Yes it was a gamble but if he was protected I could always blame it on scum. This role was really weird because I had to balance out trying to kill scum and removing powerful townies. Night 1 I was sure of sandroba but so was the mafia medic but at least it confirmed him to me. Night 2 Palmar had to go. Night 3 was a tough one, in hindsight I should have shot Bluelightz but I wanted to push a Pandain lynch on the final day. There seemed enough suspicion around him to do it. I was certain that Paperscraps was a Vig so shooting him would make those that pushed his lynch look worse than they already did. I figured going into the final lynch with 3:2:1 would give me a shot at lynching scum for a 3:1:1 night. I could then shoot town and hope that mafia shot town for a win. With AKCT missing if he was modkilled it made my job even easier as it would be 2:2:1 so all I had to do was shoot the scum medic to win. The whole thing was a balancing act but it almost came off. If Bluelightz had switched to Toast it would have been 2:1:1 with the final scum outed. If decon shot me or didn't shoot town he would have died leaving a final day of Bluelightz, me and snarfs. I am certain I could have pushed snarfs to vote for Bluelightz and win the game. If he shot one of the townies, I would straight up win. I was so close, so close, but just not close enough. Oh well. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
Day1 Day 1 was weird. Sandro's posting was strange and out of place from the start, and Palmar being Palmar picked up on that quickly enough. I was a bit impressed with how quickly Pandain picked up on my scummy-ness, I was actually actively trying to mirror my early game posting in NMM1, so I'm not sure if Pandain somehow picked up on something or just got lucky. Either way, I realized pretty quickly after Pandain's first post against me that he had made a critical mistake in calling me out so early; fact was, even though he was right, he had basically no evidence against me. I figured I could hit back with that and if I did so agressively and long enough I could make his argument look rediculous. Meanwhile Sandro was screwing us over. And I was seriously starting to get pissed off. He was pretty much putting in zero effort and every one of his posts screamed scum. He later admitted (day2) in the Mafia QT that he had some IRL stuff and had requested a replacement. But he really should have done so much sooner. I realized if scum were to have any chance to win the game we needed to distance ourselves from sandro, thus the whole sandro is SK thing. I don't know why he voted me for a lynch, but it actually helped me out in the end. I have no idea how Misder got lynched over sandro, there was only one scum on Misder. He also looked completely like the typical hapless townie that goes down day1. I would have posted a case against Pandain sooner, but did actually have IRL internet problems. I was still under the impression that sandro might actually start trying this game. Night 1 RG was an easy kill to decide. I figured there was probably only a good 50/50 chance that he was blue, his claim could be fake or he could've been claiming blue thinking we would assume it was fake. Either way, he was pretty much confirmed town at that point and the added chance of killing blue made him the most logical target. Day2 My inactivity again, was really due to a Civ V game that consumed my weekend. Either way, Probulous was on the right track. I was really getting concerned, when Mafia has an underperforming player they have to defend, that player flipping can pretty much lead to the end of the game. I realized if Sandro flipped I was going to look scummy as hell for avoiding his vote day 1 (especially after arguing he could be the SK). I also realized if I suddendly decided to vote Sandro, I was going to invalidate the ENTIRE argument I used to defend myself against Probulous, that scum should be lynched before SK. I knew Sandro had to die but there was no way for me to get on the right side of the lynch without revealing my alignment. Luckily enough, Pandain provided my way out of this. When I saw his akward defense of sandro I realized that was my one chance out. I had an excuse to call sandro scum (since I was already arguing for Pandain's scumminess), an excuse to be on the right side of the lynch, link Pandain with someone who was about to flip scum, and end up coming out looking really townish. IMO Pandain screwed up here big time by giving me this opening. And all of you probably should have suspected something when I changed my opinion on someone like *right* after it became clear that they were getting lynched. Either way, scum got rid of a really weak player and both deco and I came out looking town. And there were three people on the wrong side of the lynch who now suddenly were looking really suspicious. Pretty much was gg right here. Night 2 I went back and forth WIFOMing away over who the night 2 kill should be. I was thinking Snarfs or Probulous at first, as they were the most confirmed townies and their deaths could put pressure on Paperscraps/Adam. Decon left the decision up to me and I eventually decided on Palmar. At the time I didn't suspect a medic was on him as there had been some suspicion against him by town (I was thinking for sure medic would be on Probulous). Palmar was my choice simply because I thought it was our best chance to kill him. Palmar is one of the best scum hunters on TL, and at the time he really hadn't laid out any of his reads or suspicions other than Sandro. I saw it as an opportunity to kill him without casting any suspicion back on Decon and I, probably the only one we would get. The double stack Probulous kill was just good luck. Palmar flipping watcher was just added benefit. Day 3 Ahh Paperscraps shot on Jackal. Jackal had been on his radar all game long, and I'm guessing the fact that Jackal was on the wrong side of the lynch just confirmed it in his mind. Decon and I were also on his list, so I guess we got a bit lucky here (of course if he shot me I was safe due to medic). But then who expect scum to actively try to get one of their members lynched? Either way, the ensuing FOS-ing of Paper was a little crazy. If you actually looked at his filter up to that point, he was actually really consistant and really logical. Should have been #2 or #3 confirmed town. Either way the pressure on him I guess forced him to change his scum-list and from there on Decon and I were pretty much set from there on. Adam lynch was ezpz, thanks Probulous for that one. Again more fallout of the Sandro lynch. Night 3 As I said at this point Decon and I were pretty much set. I did want to kill Probulous but it seemed likely that a medic could be on him. Snarfs and Probulous were just about the only confirmed town left. Paper, bluelightz, and Pandain were all getting FOS-ed so really this hit wasn't that important. It really came down to Paper and Pandain, both had previously been on the right track (both had actually called out 2/3s of the scum team previously) and were therefore the most dangerous. Paper was a vig who used his shot, and so was now a vanilla townie essentially. So we went Pandain in the hopes he might flip blue. Day 4 Paper's death really made it pretty obvious we were going to win if we could find the SK. Either way, Bluelightz was unintentionally running interferrence for us so we knew we were pretty safe. Probulous, This exchange is what outed you as SK to me. Three replies in a row to one post, each more frantic than the last. Bluelightz finally had a good read, and when I saw that vote I realized we had an awesome chance. We kill the SK (and most confirmed town ironically) and AKCT get's modkilled it was gg. As far as ACKT's absence making this unfair, that's completely rediculous. Town was about to lynch Bluelightz, and we knew who the SK was, Probulous you would've died in the night. Unless you were planning on hitting Decon, you were still going to lose. Frankly, Wiggle's decision not to modkill AKCT actually made things pretty even. Night 4 Lots of WIFOM-ing. Decon was sure snarfs was vet, after reading through his posts I pegged him as medic. There were several times when he speculated as to the existance of a vet (his read on RG was vet, there was one other somewhere too). It seemed highly unlikely to me that someone would setup something that subtly that far back in the game, especially for a new player. Eventually I realized that if Snarfs was medic, he would almost certainly be on Bluelightz and thus the AKCT kill was decided. It was a bit WIFOM-y still, but I'm guessing Snarfs was thrown off when I correctly pegged him as the medic. Either way, GG. -edit: sp | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On March 12 2012 13:47 TheToast wrote: This seems antagonistic. Maybe you want us to shoot you? As vet that would be your best bet. Of course even if you were a medic and we shoot one of the others, we have a 50-50 chance of winning. If your vet it's a 100% chance of winning. Do you have any thoughts on that snarfies? Oh and Bluelightz, I'm curious, have you ever won a game as town? Like seriously, I think there's such a thing as the Bluelightz curse. Any town unlucky enough to get Bluelightz on their side loses the game. What do you think? Nice ring to it right? The curse of the Bluelightz that sounds good too. Seriously, how fail are you? I don't expect you to respond since the only things you post about are when you are going to school or work like this is flippin' twitter. Can't forget the occasional completely random person that you call out as scum. It's true that you will eventually land on scum, only after lynching the entire town. Way to go buddy.. Actually the whole lot of you are pretty fail. Didn't you all wonder why you are the ones left alive? Snarfs I don't think you had a single good read this whole game. Except for Sandro, but he pretty much put in zero effort this game; that's why we had him killed. And lol how easily all of you bought that "Calling it now Sandro and Pandain scum team" shenanigans. How obvious was that lol? There's a reason why we lynched Palmar when we did and left the rest of you alive, he was the only one making any sense. Snarfies lol at your support of Adam. There was not one good shred of evidence against him. And you led Probulous lead your right into that. HA! And LOL at the Paper thing. He was like the most confirmed town this whole game, and you guys were all FOSing him. I WILL DESTROY YOU FOR THIS WHENEVER I GET THE CHANCE. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:45 TheToast wrote: As far as ACKT's absence making this unfair, that's completely rediculous. Town was about to lynch Bluelightz, and we knew who the SK was, Probulous you would've died in the night. Unless you were planning on hitting Decon, you were still going to lose. Frankly, Wiggle's decision not to modkill AKCT actually made things pretty even. The point being that if the same thing had gone down with AKCT being around I could possibly have swung the vote. You guy had outed yourselves, I never got the chance to even try because he didn't vote. Your responsibility in these games is to vote and there should be accountability for them. My options were essentially whittled down to convincing an absent bluelightz to switch which is something I might not have had to do if AKCT was around. Letting him off scott free would be unfair in my opinion. I would not have died that night, you forget I was a veteran as well. You guys had outed yourselves so I knew that decon had to be the medic because you were just so out there compared to him. Now you can say you wouldn't have done this if he wasn't here but then I would not have been lynched. As for Bluelightz destroying you, I'd like to see it. It would change a lot of things in my mind. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On March 15 2012 07:06 Probulous wrote: As for Bluelightz destroying you, I'd like to see it. It would change a lot of things in my mind. give bluelightz a gun | ||
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