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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 20 2012 03:42 GMT
#561
TOWN ARE YOU TRYING TO GO FOR NO LYNCH AGAIN???


We have ONE Lynch. ONE. If you want to FOS someone else you better have a good reason why you aren't voting DYH or Midnight or Echelon or whoever.
We find and lynch mafia ONE AT A TIME.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 20 2012 03:43 GMT
#562
On February 20 2012 12:36 TKHawkins wrote:
And... I posted this in response
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 12:08 TKHawkins wrote:
I'm not sold on the logic of the Midnight read, but I'm not going to go after you anymore based on just a bad read.

Janaan I'm still pretty suspicious of. But we got like 5 cases going at the moment. I'm going to hold back anything on him until it's solid. Best to focus on suspects we have without muddling the discussion up more. We definitely need an advance deadline because the level of activity here is going to make reaching a majority at the last second hard.

For now I'm mainly just trying to sort out the DYH and SloOsh cases.


oh my bad, I'm stupid. carry on.


On February 20 2012 12:33 gumshoe wrote:
That said If both Sloosh and DYH are town and we lynch DYH and then lynch Sloosh because DYH came up green, we are that much closer too losing.


If DYH flips town, it does not mean that slOosh should be condemned, it just means that he was wrong, which happens.


on Alderan!

On February 19 2012 11:25 Alderan wrote:
Damn.
I stand by my play though, I think the reads were pretty clearly scum.

Reminder: When you are being accused, STAY ACTIVE, the more you give us the more we can find out about you. If you are town and you stay active generally this will be identified.


I think everyone needs to focus on the hour running up to the vote. There was a lot of action and activity that probably didn't get %100 attention. I'm to check out the voting records, specifically the correlation between who came off of MG and ET and on what basis.




Alderan stated that "when you are being accused, stay active", yet when he is accused by MG, he still has not stated anything. He's probably just away from thread, but he needs to address MG's case ASAP. His filter is not looking good at all.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 03:52 GMT
#563
On February 20 2012 12:42 slOosh wrote:
TOWN ARE YOU TRYING TO GO FOR NO LYNCH AGAIN???


We have ONE Lynch. ONE. If you want to FOS someone else you better have a good reason why you aren't voting DYH or Midnight or Echelon or whoever.
We find and lynch mafia ONE AT A TIME.


this. 100x over this
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
February 20 2012 03:53 GMT
#564
On February 20 2012 12:42 slOosh wrote:
TOWN ARE YOU TRYING TO GO FOR NO LYNCH AGAIN???


We have ONE Lynch. ONE. If you want to FOS someone else you better have a good reason why you aren't voting DYH or Midnight or Echelon or whoever.
We find and lynch mafia ONE AT A TIME.

I agree that we should take it one lynch at a time, but I think people are probably just checking their own reads, checking the cases, and overall just trying to make sure that you aren't just tunneling DYH too hard. That being said, at this point, I agree with you.


##vote: DoYouHas
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 20 2012 04:11 GMT
#565
Sloosh, please consider if DYH is town, well mislynch again, than probally lose someone like Track, and the mafia will probably lynch you tomorrow for causing DYH's death, I wanted to cut off the hydras heads before we went for the heart, like Midnight suggested,maybe lynch Alderaan instead and then lynch DYH if alderaan comes up red, but this is what we have and I'm inclined to go with it. A no lynch Is NOT an option

##vote: DoYouHas

Midnight are you willing to vote for DYH? If not why do you think Alderaans case is stronger?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 20 2012 04:32 GMT
#566
On February 19 2012 08:21 MidnightGladius wrote:
There is no way we're letting a no lynch happen, not after this Day 1.
On February 19 2012 08:37 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'd be willing to switch onto either DYH or DimmuKlok, but I think the only one we can actually get a majority on right now is DimmuKlok. If more people post to indicate that they're active, I would rather lynch DYH instead.
On February 19 2012 09:52 MidnightGladius wrote:
I told you earlier that I felt more suspicious of DYH than DimmuKlok, but that I didn't think that we could have had a majority on him. This remains true, because if DYH were scum we'd assuredly never get majority, and the people who were in the thread at the time had already posted suspicions of DimmuKlok but not DYH.
He has been awfully quiet and detached. I certainly would like him to speak up.
On February 20 2012 06:03 MidnightGladius wrote:
My next case will be on Alderan:
[case on Alderan]
On February 20 2012 08:29 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm staying out of the current DYH/sl00sh debate, because their responses are pretty valid. I think they're starting to talk past each other, now, and so I decided to look in other directions.

I was originally suspicious of DYH when he hadn't yet started responding to our questions, when he wasn't clear on his stance towards lynching, and when he stayed on sl00sh throughout the end of voting without being online to prevent a no-lynch. My thoughts of him now are that he's still being stubborn on the mislynch in hindsight, but I can understand where he's coming from.


You're looking really scummy to me right now MG. Unless you provide good reasoning why you think DYH is town, it is absolutely incriminating that you would bring up a new lynch suspect "who apparently isn't even on anyone else's radar".

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 20 2012 04:33 GMT
#567
P.S. Get off Alderan's case. He said he is working and will be busier during the weekends. Let him respond.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 20 2012 04:34 GMT
#568
Alright I'm going to sleep, but before I leave I wanna let DYH know what it'll take for me to unvote him.

1: An AMAZING case on someone else. (Be wary though that he might sell out a team mate if he is mafia.)

2: him focusing more on number one instead of defending himself.

3: someone else who is an active poster and a big contributor to town providing a very solid case for him.

Night night.

gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 20 2012 04:39 GMT
#569
There's no record on the order of voting, as ZBot has shifted, so I'm putting this out there. Votes on DimmuKlok went like this:

DimmuKlok (2): Janaan, Gumshoe

Then,

DimmuKlok (2): Gumshoe, Alderan

Finally,

Dimmuklok (9): Alderan, Janaan, trackd00r, MG, zelblade, jaj22, sloosh, TKHawkins, ET


Janaan and Gumshoe's votes were pressure based. IMO, scum often are more often the pushers of bandwagons, rather than the instigators. In this case, that's Alderan IMO; he puts his case out there, waits until other people start the voting, then climb on board to push the lynch forward. I've done this a few times in the past, as scum.

Also, people who try to tip the end of the voting line to guarantee a lynch are under suspicion. That would be me and TKHawkins. If you think I'm suspicious for doing so I wouldn't blame you, but I had previously indicated suspicion on Dimmuklok, so my vote switch wasn't motivated solely due to, while TKHawkins had never revealed any qualms with Dimmuklok. His vote sealed the death; this isn't a massively incriminating factor, but it is something that should be noted.

There is assuredly some scum in who voted for DimmuKlok. I would be more willing to lynch Alderan or THawkins, than DYH, until DYH posts reads/responses to the current thread situation.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 20 2012 04:39 GMT
#570
P.P.S.

Gumshoe I like your improvement in posting - both in clarity and conciseness.
As you say in your first post, I'm predicting he will be making a case on MG. Whether it is a bus or not I'm undecided as I am waiting for MG's response first.


In any case we lynching DYH today. Don't let our votes be split between two mafia candidates (should MG also be mafia)
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 20 2012 04:42 GMT
#571
On February 20 2012 13:33 slOosh wrote:
P.S. Get off Alderan's case. He said he is working and will be busier during the weekends. Let him respond.


I will wait for Alderan to respond; you should let DYH respond as well, at least until the psuedo deadline at 16 PST tomorrow.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 20 2012 04:43 GMT
#572
On February 20 2012 13:11 gumshoe wrote:
Sloosh, please consider if DYH is town, well mislynch again, than probally lose someone like Track, and the mafia will probably lynch you tomorrow for causing DYH's death,


I repeat, unless sloosh starts doing scummy shit, I will not allow mafia to mislynch on the basis of a wrong read. If DYH flips green, it DOES NOT mean that sloosh is scum, and I will not let people argue as such.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 20 2012 04:46 GMT
#573
On February 20 2012 13:32 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 08:21 MidnightGladius wrote:
There is no way we're letting a no lynch happen, not after this Day 1.
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 08:37 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'd be willing to switch onto either DYH or DimmuKlok, but I think the only one we can actually get a majority on right now is DimmuKlok. If more people post to indicate that they're active, I would rather lynch DYH instead.
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 09:52 MidnightGladius wrote:
I told you earlier that I felt more suspicious of DYH than DimmuKlok, but that I didn't think that we could have had a majority on him. This remains true, because if DYH were scum we'd assuredly never get majority, and the people who were in the thread at the time had already posted suspicions of DimmuKlok but not DYH.
He has been awfully quiet and detached. I certainly would like him to speak up.
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 06:03 MidnightGladius wrote:
My next case will be on Alderan:
[case on Alderan]
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 08:29 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm staying out of the current DYH/sl00sh debate, because their responses are pretty valid. I think they're starting to talk past each other, now, and so I decided to look in other directions.

I was originally suspicious of DYH when he hadn't yet started responding to our questions, when he wasn't clear on his stance towards lynching, and when he stayed on sl00sh throughout the end of voting without being online to prevent a no-lynch. My thoughts of him now are that he's still being stubborn on the mislynch in hindsight, but I can understand where he's coming from.


You're looking really scummy to me right now MG. Unless you provide good reasoning why you think DYH is town, it is absolutely incriminating that you would bring up a new lynch suspect "who apparently isn't even on anyone else's radar".



he could just have wrong reads... which is what i believe is the case
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 20 2012 04:54 GMT
#574
On February 20 2012 13:32 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 08:21 MidnightGladius wrote:
There is no way we're letting a no lynch happen, not after this Day 1.
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 08:37 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'd be willing to switch onto either DYH or DimmuKlok, but I think the only one we can actually get a majority on right now is DimmuKlok. If more people post to indicate that they're active, I would rather lynch DYH instead.
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 09:52 MidnightGladius wrote:
I told you earlier that I felt more suspicious of DYH than DimmuKlok, but that I didn't think that we could have had a majority on him. This remains true, because if DYH were scum we'd assuredly never get majority, and the people who were in the thread at the time had already posted suspicions of DimmuKlok but not DYH.
He has been awfully quiet and detached. I certainly would like him to speak up.
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 06:03 MidnightGladius wrote:
My next case will be on Alderan:
[case on Alderan]
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 08:29 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm staying out of the current DYH/sl00sh debate, because their responses are pretty valid. I think they're starting to talk past each other, now, and so I decided to look in other directions.

I was originally suspicious of DYH when he hadn't yet started responding to our questions, when he wasn't clear on his stance towards lynching, and when he stayed on sl00sh throughout the end of voting without being online to prevent a no-lynch. My thoughts of him now are that he's still being stubborn on the mislynch in hindsight, but I can understand where he's coming from.


You're looking really scummy to me right now MG. Unless you provide good reasoning why you think DYH is town, it is absolutely incriminating that you would bring up a new lynch suspect "who apparently isn't even on anyone else's radar".



That was before he wrote his "town list" post, which was definitely a huge signal. I would certainly be willing to lynch DYH today on the basis that that post contradicted most of the principles that he even admitted to standing for earlier.

However, I have to disagree that looking at other players is incriminating, especially when one player is facing a lot of pressure. It seems especially important to me to focus on players who haven't faced any previous scrutiny. Otherwise, we'd just see one obvious bandwagon after another.

On February 20 2012 13:33 slOosh wrote:
P.S. Get off Alderan's case. He said he is working and will be busier during the weekends. Let him respond.


He has plenty of time to respond, but he has to know that there is pressure on him to respond, and quickly. Especially with our time zone problems, I'm not willing to let him effectively skip a whole day phase without offering any new reads.


On February 20 2012 13:39 slOosh wrote:
P.P.S.

Gumshoe I like your improvement in posting - both in clarity and conciseness.
As you say in your first post, I'm predicting he will be making a case on MG. Whether it is a bus or not I'm undecided as I am waiting for MG's response first.


In any case we lynching DYH today. Don't let our votes be split between two mafia candidates (should MG also be mafia)


Of course he's going to be making a case on me, because he already has a case open on me. I'm not really sure what you're talking about here.

##Vote: DoYouHas
Trust in Bayes.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 20 2012 05:00 GMT
#575
On February 20 2012 13:42 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 13:33 slOosh wrote:
P.S. Get off Alderan's case. He said he is working and will be busier during the weekends. Let him respond.


I will wait for Alderan to respond; you should let DYH respond as well, at least until the psuedo deadline at 16 PST tomorrow.

I have let him respond twice
1 and 2

He does nothing to redeem himself in his defense. Here are my posts on his defense
1 and 2 respectively.

I gave him ample time and opportunity to defend himself and he has failed. There is no reason to continuously give him chances.

I end it on this note-
On February 20 2012 12:02 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 11:32 DoYouHas wrote:
My town reads are: trackd00r, ET, gumshoe, slOosh, and blae000.

This leaves a pool of 8 people in which I think all mafia are present. That is where I am looking now, and that is who I am building cases on.


WOW. Lynch him NOW.

15 players to start. 1 lynched, 1 shot. That leaves 13 players.

He posts 5 town reads, and concludes all mafia in the remaining 8 people, of which he is one.

Don't even wait for his case. Lynch him.

EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
February 20 2012 05:04 GMT
#576
On February 20 2012 14:00 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 13:42 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 20 2012 13:33 slOosh wrote:
P.S. Get off Alderan's case. He said he is working and will be busier during the weekends. Let him respond.


I will wait for Alderan to respond; you should let DYH respond as well, at least until the psuedo deadline at 16 PST tomorrow.

I have let him respond twice
1 and 2

He does nothing to redeem himself in his defense. Here are my posts on his defense
1 and 2 respectively.

I gave him ample time and opportunity to defend himself and he has failed. There is no reason to continuously give him chances.

I end it on this note-
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 12:02 slOosh wrote:
On February 20 2012 11:32 DoYouHas wrote:
My town reads are: trackd00r, ET, gumshoe, slOosh, and blae000.

This leaves a pool of 8 people in which I think all mafia are present. That is where I am looking now, and that is who I am building cases on.


WOW. Lynch him NOW.

15 players to start. 1 lynched, 1 shot. That leaves 13 players.

He posts 5 town reads, and concludes all mafia in the remaining 8 people, of which he is one.

Don't even wait for his case. Lynch him.


...how is it that you weren't shot last night?

##Vote: DoYouHas
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 20 2012 05:05 GMT
#577
Sounds good. My read on you was based upon you thinking DYH as town. As you state that you don't, I drop my suspicion.

My point about him making a case is that he will actually try making a proper case.
Notice he FOSed you, not voted.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 20 2012 05:07 GMT
#578
On February 20 2012 14:04 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 14:00 slOosh wrote:
On February 20 2012 13:42 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 20 2012 13:33 slOosh wrote:
P.S. Get off Alderan's case. He said he is working and will be busier during the weekends. Let him respond.


I will wait for Alderan to respond; you should let DYH respond as well, at least until the psuedo deadline at 16 PST tomorrow.

I have let him respond twice
1 and 2

He does nothing to redeem himself in his defense. Here are my posts on his defense
1 and 2 respectively.

I gave him ample time and opportunity to defend himself and he has failed. There is no reason to continuously give him chances.

I end it on this note-
On February 20 2012 12:02 slOosh wrote:
On February 20 2012 11:32 DoYouHas wrote:
My town reads are: trackd00r, ET, gumshoe, slOosh, and blae000.

This leaves a pool of 8 people in which I think all mafia are present. That is where I am looking now, and that is who I am building cases on.


WOW. Lynch him NOW.

15 players to start. 1 lynched, 1 shot. That leaves 13 players.

He posts 5 town reads, and concludes all mafia in the remaining 8 people, of which he is one.

Don't even wait for his case. Lynch him.


...how is it that you weren't shot last night?

##Vote: DoYouHas


I'm going to guess the same reason I wasn't shot in NMMIII - they fear a medic prot. But that's all WIFOM and we can find out when game is over.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 20 2012 05:07 GMT
#579
On February 20 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Sounds good. My read on you was based upon you thinking DYH as town. As you state that you don't, I drop my suspicion.

My point about him making a case is that he will actually try making a proper case.
Notice he FOSed you, not voted.


That is addressed to MG. Didn't want to quote the big post.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 20 2012 06:01 GMT
#580
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