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zelblade
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Mattchew
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zelblade
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Mattchew
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On February 21 2012 00:35 zelblade wrote: @matt I have been assuming that you have finished reading since you stated here about 12 hours ago: And no, I rather you not be modkilled, but I still want you to chime in your thoughts on the lynch candidate. A simple vote without any reasoning makes it extremely hard to hold you accountable if this turns out to be a mislynch. When questioned, you can simply reply "Oh I was just sheeping" This has no accountability and I dont like it. And I do agree that DYH's flip shows nothing about your aglinment. And another thing, do you actually think that gumshoes points on you are valid? To summarize this is what he points out 1) You are not mafia if DYH flips red because he pressured (not even with a vote) mannerkiss early on. 2) Im scum because I am suspisious of your posting, attacking the easy targert, and (in his mind) trying to set up a mislynch. 3) If DYH flips green you are red and need to be lynched. Do you really find this logical? You have already said that DYH's flip says nothing about you, which I believe is true. If so, why do you think that gumshoe's post - largely based off how you are only scum if DYH flips green? I dont see how you see this as "logical". I read DYH's filter and there are a bunch of good cases on him. That is my reason for voting him. I am accountable for my vote and my agreeing with others reads. gumshoe is wrong but I don't think he realizes that. | ||
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zelblade
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On February 21 2012 00:46 Mattchew wrote: I read DYH's filter and there are a bunch of good cases on him. That is my reason for voting him. I am accountable for my vote and my agreeing with others reads. gumshoe is wrong but I don't think he realizes that. Than why do you say that his post is the most logical? I dont understand this. | ||
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Mattchew
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zelblade
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derp. really need to go now will post more tomorrow. | ||
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Mattchew
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On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote: As of right now rgTheSchworz - lets give him a chance to post a little DoYouHas - should be lynched today Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order Alderan TKHawkins trackd00r Janaan zelblade Remaining Skeptical of EchelonTee lets not lose this.. any thoughts? | ||
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trackd00r
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On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote: As of right now rgTheSchworz - lets give him a chance to post a little DoYouHas - should be lynched today Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order Alderan TKHawkins trackd00r Janaan zelblade Remaining Skeptical of EchelonTee When is night post? anyone can answer this I'm not expressing any thoughts you give a good reasoning behind. You should have a very good analysis to put 5 scum candidates in order to make that list. Explain why am I third at least... Janaan, THK, what do you think about this? Btw, night post is on tuesday, 09:00 forum time. Regarding the DYH situation, I believe the best we can do is hold the vote to him. The only real and possibly working solution that scum can pull if DYH is red is to push other cases now. I agree with the points that Zelblade made. No one is going to jump into the spotlight and defend him. Anyways, alderan please reply to my post. Becuase I'm switching DYH doesn't mean I'll let you off. ##Vote: DoYouHas | ||
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Mattchew
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Mattchew
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On February 19 2012 08:08 GreYMisT wrote: I forgot we had ZBot and did a votecount, yay. Gumshoe (2): DimmuKlok, Steveling MidnightGladius (3): EchelonTee, jaj22, Mattchew DimmuKlok (2): Gumshoe, Alderan EchelonTee (5): Zelblade, trackd00r, blae000, MidnightGladius, TKHawkins SlOosh (1): DoYouHas DoYouHas (1): slOosh With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch! the day ends in less than 1 hour! does anyone else find it really fucking weird that we went from 5 on ET to lynching DK in less than an hour? | ||
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Steveling
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On February 21 2012 01:27 Mattchew wrote: does anyone else find it really fucking weird that we went from 5 on ET to lynching DK in less than an hour? Um, actually yeah lol. What page was this? | ||
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gumshoe
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On February 21 2012 00:19 zelblade wrote: It is entirely possible that both of them are scum. Remember, mafia, especially at the start of the game, arent gonna buddy each other up - it would be obvious that something was going on. It is entirely possible for DYH to throw out some pressure onto manner easily. What i actually find suspisious now that you mention it is this: at that time when DYH decided to throw out his pressure on manner, why him? There were so many others that hadnt posted at all yet, yet out of all of them he chose to call out mannerkiss. I'll just quote ur day 1 list here. + Show Spoiler + Early reports! All very preliminary but hopefully it'll give everyone an idea of where some townies stand and where some lurkers don't. blae - absent but has an alibi(by alibi I mean he said before game that he would not be especially present day one) Alderan - Absent no alibi Ech - present but slightly suspicious ) : Do you has - present has contributed somewhat(a single post against the word of Ech) no basis for suspicion manner kiss- has presented himself but has not yet contributed to discussion. No basis for suspicion steveling - is present has contributed to discussion does not seem suspicious. track door - has made himself present has contributed somewhat to discussion no reason yet to suspect midnight- is present has contributed , (is mean to me but rightfully so ) no reason to suspect as of yet Sloosh - has contributed, acted out only to defend himself, does not seem suspicius Janaan- is absent no alibi tk hawakins- is absent no aibi dimmuKlk- is absent no alibi zell - is absent no alibi jaj22 - is present, is also somewhat mean but justifiably so as far as I can tell, his negative tone is striking negative but not yet suspicion worthy. As you can see, so many of us (including me), were not active yet. Why did he choose to pressure mannerkiss out of all of them? I find this really wierd and it seems that DoYouHas could be distancing himself from manner. So no, I dont believe that my accusation is valid only if DYH flips green (rather unlikely). I also dont see how DYH flipping green would incriminate mattchew though. Could you point it out to me? And yes, I agree that the lack of defense for DYH is really wierd. This could obviously mean that we are: 1) Wrong 2) Its a bus! 3) Scum do not have much of a thread presence/are not being influential, and thus are not willing to take the risk to go ahead with a solid defence of DYH, and are thus, as you said, distancing themselves from him. Im currently sold on (3) personally. I dont believe that mafia would be actively bussing him at this point in time just for some town cred. Town cred is fickle and I would be pretty glad if they were doing so as they would be giving us a pretty dangerous scum on a silver platter. To be honest I never intended to vote for matt even if DYH flipped green, look at these posts + Show Spoiler + Hey guys... I have read a little but am about to go to Atlantic City for the night. I read through the top 3's filters (ET Dimmukok and Midnight) and I think that Midnight should be the lynch today. No reasoning whatsoever to vote for Mg -_- just arbitraliy accuses him + Show Spoiler + Scumslip. You hang tomorrow Makes a vicious attack without evidence that was most likely meant to pressure me, which is a move I expect early in the game. + Show Spoiler + i changed my mind. midnight and gum are both bad lynches. gumshoe after more reading is trying really hard and is pro-town. midnight i am skeptical of but is not as good a lynch as doyouhas. Completley pulls an opinion 180 which is always suspicious on day 2 + Show Spoiler + thank you for both proving my previous post about the 2 of you true. lets go get the real scum it looks like scum is bussing dyh or we are really far off base. How can he not possibly not expect these two comments to draw suspicion to him if DYH flips green? Matt strikes me as neither an overly flashy player nor a very lurky one, to me he sounds like someone whose posting as if the game has just begun and for him thats exactly the case. He's still flexible and a bit more free than us to say what he wants and change his opinions because he hasn't really had any fights or developed any enemies, Manner has, not him. I wanted to hear more out of you about Matt so I pushed you a little, and your reasoning is solid so I retract my suspicion. In response to what you said about DYH distancing himself from manner, you missed something crucial. It wasnt mutual Manner + Show Spoiler + Doyouhas pretty strong townie feeling to me. earlier I considered why DYH called out Manner, I went through all this back when I made my long accusation of DYH and a few other people, but dropped my suspicions on manner because I couldn't see why he would support DYH despite DYH's accusation... it would've been ideal for mafia if Manner hated DYH right back which creates more conflict. Finally I will refer to what others have pointed out, townies are more likely to lose interest and drop out of games. Mafia tend to be a bit more invested, but that last part is complete wifome so disregard it if you please. | ||
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gumshoe
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slOosh
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On February 21 2012 00:36 Steveling wrote: Offering something solid /= randomly accusing someone just to enrich my filter. My general playstyle is to try and find clues. I'm not gut guessing or throwing random punches hoping to hit something good. So it takes time. Anyway I'll try to give more opinions. But I don't like your 2nd point. I spent quite enough time on the DYH case to have you telling me that I contributed nothing and that I'm "nitpicking random junk". T_T I know it's not my case, but I think I offered new clues. I apologize I came off as condescending. Right now it is general consensus that DYH is the lynch for today and no one seen anything in his play worth defending. It is in our best interest to now redirect our focus on finding new scum candidates, rather than taking a break until he gets lynched. Time is valuable and I do not want people to become lax. If you don't have the stuff to build a case, could you at least be involved in current discussions? (Such as, who do you want to hear from, what your thoughts are on people's cases etc.) | ||
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Mattchew
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i gtg for an hour ill be back On February 21 2012 01:27 Mattchew wrote: does anyone else find it really fucking weird that we went from 5 on ET to lynching DK in less than an hour? | ||
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DoYouHas
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On February 21 2012 02:11 gumshoe wrote: DYH, you stand to be lynched very soon, if you really are town make some last contributions to help us out, you said you were suspicious of Hawk? Can you give us that case please before your lynched? Right now I am pretty convinced that you all are going to lynch me regardless of what I say, so I'm just going to try and get all my analysis out there by the end of the day. You are holding to another mislynch, and I can't argue you off it. I've tried and tried, and I'm tired of trying. So instead I'm going to pour my brain out into the thread so you will have as much DoYouHas analysis to look back at as possible. | ||
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slOosh
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On February 21 2012 02:34 Mattchew wrote: sloosh thoughts on dis shit right hur? i gtg for an hour ill be back First and most prominent thought was your lack of explanation (not just in this post but the game in general). Asking opinions on matters from people is fine to stimulate discussion, but it doesn't really make sense not to offer yours in return. Second, its not night time. Its day. We have time to consolidate the next lynch target. Telling the vig who to shoot so early is haphazard. If you are confident enough posting a vig-list, it means you have solid reasoning for your list (rather than speculative), so I would like to hear some now. For the last point I don't find it weird that we mass switched to DK in the eleventh hour. It took time for enough content to generate etc. so cases came out really late in the day. Not having had enough time for discussion on the two (ET and MG), we fell back on the mutual 'lurker' lynch. | ||
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