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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
February 26 2012 09:08 GMT
#561
Alright, we finally have enough votes. Here's why we're gonna win this Resistance despite losing the last one: we spent plenty of time voting and getting people to commit to stuff day 1.

Now that we have enough data, I think I can positively figure out the scumteam. I have this covered you guys.




Alright guys, welcome to this episode of Blazinghand's Votecount Analysis!

Let's take a look at how things have gone so far:

[image loading]

Basically, we've got two factions at an impasse.

One one hand we've got Sent, VE, and myself who have voted together as a bloc. We've tried topass a team of Sent/VE/BH, offering Dirk as a substitude for Sent once.
On the other we've got Prpl, Dirk, Nav, and Palm, who have voted together as a bloc (except for when Navillus missed the Palmar vote). They've pushed the Palm/Dirk/Nav team.

Kita supported the VE/BH team once when it included Dirk in place of Sent.
Chaos liked it when it included Sent in place of Dirk.
Otherwise these two players have only voted Nay.

[image loading]
This reflects the same information, with each players yay votes and nay votes so far broken down. For example, over the course of this game Sent has been willing to yayvote teams with BH, Dirk, and VE (and of course himself).

Looking at the setup, I think it's clear what's going on here. We need 5 votes to get a team to go forwards, right? Assuming the scum all go against the town, we're talking a 5/6 consensus among townies..

Now if we look at our existing "factions" (though even within the factions there is doubt amongst the members of each other's alignments:

BH, Sent, VE

Palm, Nav, Prpl, Dirk

Kita

Chaos

It's actually fairly unlikely that all three scum lined up into one faction and formed a voting bloc. Barring some colossal stupidity from town (we've been good about nayvoting teams that aren't perfect) a 3-member voting bloc like this will eventually get overridden. Here's what I think is going on, and is also the reason we've been having trouble putting together a good team:

1) Palmar originally picked his team (Palm/Dirk/Nav) to try to set up Nav as a "fall guy" until I called him out on it. It was going to be a one-saboteur group *assuming I'm correct about Dirk and Nav being town, which is what I'm beginning to think given my analysis so far*.

2) Prplhz has been backing up Palmar to try to get a scumteam over the line. His vote is instrumental and has almost gotten the scumteam to get a sabotage through twice now. Having both scum players oppose Palmar would require him to get the help of 4 of the 6 town players, rather than 3 of the 6, making things much harder for him.

3) The third scum IS NOT in Palmar's voting block. This is the real crux of my argument. One of the scum players is playing a "long game" and trying to set up for being picked for a later team after the initial sabotages. He's voting against Palmar and setting himself up to earn town cred when a Palmar-backed team fails.



So where is this third scum? Well, he could be Kita or Chaos, who think Dirk and Sent are scum, respectively. Kita (now) strikes me as unlikely, though, due to the fact that Kita has been willing to listen to reason and suggest what is imo a good team. He could be Chaos, but we'll know if that's the case in a moment when Chaos suggests his team.

But where would the third scum really be? He'd be in my faction, if he's smart. He's trying to create a "win win" d1 scenario, where both of the major groups being pushed have one scum on it. It would explain why town is having such a hard time getting this through-- there are a limited number of town players on both sides of the issue, and the scum aren't gonna flip their flops.

I'm positing that Sentinel is the third scum player.
His level of activity and analysis has been acceptable at times, but I'm not sure he's really taken a hard look at the situation and offered good analysis. I think in part I was blinded by his buddying of me, and didn't take a close enough look. I think he was bluffing on the Dirk/BH/VE team, due to the anti-kita sentiment that infested the game at that moment, and he voted knowing that. A BH team wasn't going to pass with the Palmar group voting against me, and so he could safely vote Yay. And look at how he words it!

On February 25 2012 03:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm going to yay and see what happens.

In the meantime, prplhz posted more shit math. If a team succeeds, that gives nothing about the number of scumplayers on the team because scum can elect not to sabotage.

In addition, if there ARE scum on the team, 2/2 can be scum as pointed out just above me.

TL;DR - don't trust someone just because they were on a successful team.


What is he saying here? Sentinel is voting yay, then setting himself up to make cases on the team members if it succeeds. This is a tell for his bluff. It fits with his posting patterns, and it's a shit reason for a vote. That and look at him bus prplhz. Look at him bus!

So as you can see, Sentinel is worried that somehow his bluff will go awry and the team will pass, and there will be no sabotages. He soft attacks people from a hypothetical successful team that he's only worried about because a town team has finally been suggested.

Chaos13, think about what's been said here. Take a look at the idea of a Palm Prpl Sent team, and you'll see it makes sense.

I think a reasonable team for today would be something like your option two: Nav, VE, Blazinghand. Given what I've seen, and that incredibly scummy bluff yay vote from Sentinel, I would like to see you propose this team. I would yay vote it.

And so should you, town. Dirk, Nav, think about what I've written here. It makes sense. It adds up. It's what scum would do, and it explains the voting patterns.

VE remains my strongest town read. Chaos really should rethink his scumread on Dirk, but I'm fine with Nav in his place.

Nav VE Blazinghand for D1 team!
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
February 26 2012 09:09 GMT
#562
TL;DR-- I think Palm/Prpl/Sent is the scumteam, and am pushing of a Nav/VE/BH team. My reasoning? there is no TL;DR for that. This is an analysis post. You need to read it and evaluate my thoughts, then read filters, count votes, and see if you agree.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 26 2012 09:56 GMT
#563
if that's your theory, why did you say you didn't want us to send VE/navillus/dirkzor? When I suggested that?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 26 2012 09:56 GMT
#564
Also, I sincerely hope you're not town, because that would make you one of the worst players I've ever seen on TL.
Computer says mafia
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
February 26 2012 14:00 GMT
#565
We´re going to continue with the game, even though [UoN]Sentinel got a 2-day ban. The voting stage of the next team will be extended to about 48 hours, giving him time to return and vote. As normal, we won´t wait until the deadline if everyone votes early.

Chaos13 is still the leader, and he has about 18 hours to suggest his team.
:3
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 26 2012 14:02 GMT
#566
lol, not like we're gonna get a team anyway
Computer says mafia
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 26 2012 16:26 GMT
#567
BH: I really like your long post just a few before this one. I agree that it is a good sign that we have so much information so far where in Res I you sent the first team proposed.

I'm just not sure about your conclusion. I think if you reverse it you can find 3 people who also looks scum. If you look from "my" voting block's perspective.

I'm just not sure about VE. So a team of BH, Nav and Me I would support.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
February 26 2012 18:33 GMT
#568
Team No. 2: VisceraEyes, Navillus, Blazinghand

On February 27 2012 01:26 Dirkzor wrote:
I'm just not sure about VE. So a team of BH, Nav and Me I would support.


I'm a hell of a lot more sure about VE than I am about you.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
February 26 2012 18:41 GMT
#569
On February 27 2012 01:26 Dirkzor wrote:

I'm just not sure about VE. So a team of BH, Nav and Me I would support.

I could get behind a Bh Nav Dirk team
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
February 26 2012 18:42 GMT
#570
The current team is Team chaos13: VisceraEyes, Navillus, Blazinghand

The current deadline to vote on this team is in just over 48 hours from now, 19:00 GMT (+00:00), or 29 February 04:00 KST.
:3
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 26 2012 19:06 GMT
#571
On February 20 2012 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 05:25 Dirkzor wrote:
And Blazinghand, if you can't see a scenario where suggesting a team without yourself on it (not day 1) you have clearly not thought the setup through!


Help me out then. When would you, a town player, ever suggest a team that doesn't include yourself?

For laughs and giggles.

Interesting team Chaos13...

*enter thinkingbox*
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 26 2012 20:17 GMT
#572
It's quite clear that Blazinghand is just spouting random nonsense to fit his agenda.

Can people please write in this thread when they vote.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
February 26 2012 21:37 GMT
#573
i am going to re-read the thread tomorrow, assuming I am somehow, someway wrong about Blazinghand. And try to see if his play and assumptions can possibly fit bad townie play.

cba tonight. Until then I'd rather not send this team through because of BH
Computer says mafia
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
February 27 2012 03:06 GMT
#574
On February 27 2012 03:42 Forumite wrote:
The current team is Team chaos13: VisceraEyes, Navillus, Blazinghand

The current deadline to vote on this team is in just over 48 hours from now, 19:00 GMT (+00:00), or 29 February 04:00 KST.


I find this team acceptable.

##Vote Yay
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 27 2012 05:20 GMT
#575
kita dodging this thread
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 27 2012 05:24 GMT
#576
On February 27 2012 14:20 prplhz wrote:
kita dodging this thread


ya kinda, I'll catch up tomorrow after classes
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 27 2012 05:28 GMT
#577
What are you going to vote for this team?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 27 2012 05:40 GMT
#578
Palmar, I'm having doubts about BH. Would you look at Resistance 1 and see if you think we're playing with a BH of the same (town) alignment? I have my doubts, but it's based solely on the amount he posted in the last game. Because I already know you don't think so, if you say he's not I'll need you to tell me why - if you don't want to do it then don't bother.

prplhz, what is your read of Navillus? Do you think he cares at all about helping town?

chaos13....bro. I gotta ask. Why the team without you on it? Are you really that confident in your town reads? Or are you just trying to get a team pushed through? Do you feel like pushing a team through is more important than increasing the chances of an all-town team?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 27 2012 05:51 GMT
#579
I liked chaos13's analysis and I think that Navilus is just a townie who is quite busy these days. He's been pretty transparent and he's voted right all times. I absolutely don't see him pushing any agenda in this game that isn't townie.

You need to nay this and then find a team with you, and two of Dirkzor/Navilus/Palmar/prplhz that you trust the most and then we're going to vote that through and win this game. [UoN]Sentinel, Blazinghand, kitaman27 all look bad ([UoN]Sentinel hasn't made one single townie post in this game and Blazinghand is grasping terrible arguments out of the thin air seemingly to fit some weird agenda) and chaos13 I'm a bit flaky about so ultimately I trust you more.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 27 2012 05:58 GMT
#580
Why do you say "seemingly to fit some weird agenda" regarding BH? Like, I'm starting to have doubts myself, but I'd like you to tell me why you don't trust him specifically.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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